What is Christ's rest?

[Leaf473]

Brother, the "punishment" came from Satan, but God allowed it! God took responsibility as if the "harm" came from God Himself.

Then the LORD asked Satan, “Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth. He is blameless—a man of complete integrity. He fears God and stays away from evil. And he has maintained his integrity, even though you urged me to harm him without cause.” Satan replied to the LORD, “Skin for skin! A man will give up everything he has to save his life. But reach out and take away his health, and he will surely curse you to your face!” “All right, do with him as you please,” the LORD said to Satan. “But spare his life.” So Satan left the LORD’s presence, and he struck Job with terrible boils from head to foot. (Job 2:3-7 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Harm isn't necessarily punishment

Part of Christ's rest is knowing that we are in God's hands

My times are in Your hands. Deliver me from my enemies and from those who pursue me Psalm 31

 

[guevaraj]

Part of Christ's rest is knowing that we are in God's hands

Brother, I see Job as someone who loved what God taught him, but didn't appreciate God's essential role in it. He quickly abandoned God and went his own way, as if he had learned the laws of a reality like the one people conceive of as karma, regardless of God's necessary active role in promoting and facilitating the way. God had more to offer, but Job kept Him at a distance, grateful to be able to handle life on his own. Like Job, most Christians focus on developing the second love of neighbor, even though the greater love of God is the most important for continuing to grow in the way Job loved. This greater love of God, which appreciates His essential and necessary active role in promoting and facilitating the way, is what Job quickly developed thanks to Satan.

“Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?” Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. (Mathew 22:36-38 NLT fixed)​

The appreciation of the greater love of God is the lesson God instilled in Job, using Satan as a tool, more quickly than without him. God taught Job that without Him promoting and facilitating the way, Job could not walk the path he loved. Without Satan, it would have taken God even longer, if possible, to make Job understand his need for God to promote and facilitate the way for Job to walk the path he loved. Using Satan as a tool, God got Job to understand that he needed God to promote and facilitate the way for Job to walk it. Before Job learned this lesson about his need for God, he was willing to discredit God's justice, asking for a "mediator" who could keep God from relentlessly punishing him.

“God is not a mortal like me, so I cannot argue with him or take him to trial. If only there were a mediator between us, someone who could bring us together. The mediator could make God stop beating me, and I would no longer live in terror of his punishment. Then I could speak to him without fear, but I cannot do that in my own strength. (Job 9:32-35 NLT)​

God showed Job that following the path he loved was impossible without His encouragement and help. God increased Job's commitment to the path by fostering his need for God. Which would allow him to grow more rapidly as he now draws closer to God, who would facilitate his growth on the path he loves.

“Will you discredit my justice and condemn me just to prove you are right? Are you as strong as God? Can you thunder with a voice like his? All right, put on your glory and splendor, your honor and majesty. Give vent to your anger. Let it overflow against the proud. Humiliate the proud with a glance; walk on the wicked where they stand. Bury them in the dust. Imprison them in the world of the dead. Then even I would praise you, for your own strength would save you. (Job 40:8-14 NLT)​

Job finally understood his dependence on God to walk in the way. There is no karma that balances good and evil without God promoting and facilitating the path Job loved.

Then Job replied to the LORD: “I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. You asked, ‘Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorance?’ It is I—and I was talking about things I knew nothing about, things far too wonderful for me. You said, ‘Listen and I will speak! I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.’ I had only heard about you before, but now I have seen you with my own eyes. I take back everything I said, and I sit in dust and ashes to show my repentance.” (Job 9:42:1-6 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, I see Job as someone who loved what God taught him, but didn't appreciate God's essential role in it. He quickly abandoned God and went his own way, as if he had learned the laws of a reality like the one people conceive of as karma, regardless of God's necessary active role in promoting and facilitating the way. God had more to offer, but Job kept Him at a distance, grateful to be able to handle life on his own. Like Job, most Christians focus on developing the second love of neighbor, even though the greater love of God is the most important for continuing to grow in the way Job loved. This greater love of God, which appreciates His essential and necessary active role in promoting and facilitating the way, is what Job quickly developed thanks to Satan.

“Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?” Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. (Mathew 22:36-38 NLT fixed)​

The appreciation of the greater love of God is the lesson God instilled in Job, using Satan as a tool, more quickly than without him. God taught Job that without Him promoting and facilitating the way, Job could not walk the path he loved. Without Satan, it would have taken God even longer, if possible, to make Job understand his need for God to promote and facilitate the way for Job to walk the path he loved. Using Satan as a tool, God got Job to understand that he needed God to promote and facilitate the way for Job to walk it. Before Job learned this lesson about his need for God, he was willing to discredit God's justice, asking for a "mediator" who could keep God from relentlessly punishing him.

“God is not a mortal like me, so I cannot argue with him or take him to trial. If only there were a mediator between us, someone who could bring us together. The mediator could make God stop beating me, and I would no longer live in terror of his punishment. Then I could speak to him without fear, but I cannot do that in my own strength. (Job 9:32-35 NLT)​

God showed Job that following the path he loved was impossible without His encouragement and help. God increased Job's commitment to the path by fostering his need for God. Which would allow him to grow more rapidly as he now draws closer to God, who would facilitate his growth on the path he loves.

“Will you discredit my justice and condemn me just to prove you are right? Are you as strong as God? Can you thunder with a voice like his? All right, put on your glory and splendor, your honor and majesty. Give vent to your anger. Let it overflow against the proud. Humiliate the proud with a glance; walk on the wicked where they stand. Bury them in the dust. Imprison them in the world of the dead. Then even I would praise you, for your own strength would save you. (Job 40:8-14 NLT)​

Job finally understood his dependence on God to walk in the way. There is no karma that balances good and evil without God promoting and facilitating the path Job loved.

Then Job replied to the LORD: “I know that you can do anything, and no one can stop you. You asked, ‘Who is this that questions my wisdom with such ignorance?’ It is I—and I was talking about things I knew nothing about, things far too wonderful for me. You said, ‘Listen and I will speak! I have some questions for you, and you must answer them.’ I had only heard about you before, but now I have seen you with my own eyes. I take back everything I said, and I sit in dust and ashes to show my repentance.” (Job 9:42:1-6 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Interesting, brother

Is it related to the rest of that Christ gives?

Isaiah 11:10
It will happen in that day that the nations will seek the root of Jesse, who stands as a banner of the peoples; and his resting place will be glorious

 

[guevaraj]

Is it related to the rest of that Christ gives?

Brother, Jesus gives us rest from sin by being our High Priest in the heavenly temple to forgive us our sins daily. The Fourth Commandment, on the other hand, has nothing to do with sin, for it was established before sin on the seventh day of creation, but is our way of showing love to God by announcing that He has been with us from the beginning, having established the International Date Line, and that God is in control of His word by having consistantly indicated to us what the days of the week are from the beginning, when we have misinterpreted this for 3,000 years since Joshua, who confused the earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem from evening to evening, with a new seventh day of the week, when God has not changed the days of the week since creation, being from morning to morning. The Jews, with their mistaken view of the days of the week, were unable to change the location of the International Date Line because it could only be established at the beginning, as the oldest tradition that was passed down by Adam and Eve, when God taught them to count the days of the week given to all of us, their descendentes.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Brother, Jesus gives us rest from sin by being our High Priest in the heavenly temple to forgive us our sins daily. The Fourth Commandment, on the other hand, has nothing to do with sin, for it was established before sin on the seventh day of creation, but is our way of showing love to God by announcing that He has been with us from the beginning, having established the International Date Line, and that God is in control of His word by having consistantly indicated to us what the days of the week are from the beginning, when we have misinterpreted this for 3,000 years since Joshua, who confused the earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem from evening to evening, with a new seventh day of the week, when God has not changed the days of the week since creation, being from morning to morning. The Jews, with their mistaken view of the days of the week, were unable to change the location of the International Date Line because it could only be established at the beginning, as the oldest tradition that was passed down by Adam and Eve, when God taught them to count the days of the week given to all of us, their descendentes.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

This thread is not about International datelines, if we can please stay on topic or create a new post.

As a FYI- this teaching about keeping the Sabbath only in the time zone of Jerusalem, is not what SDA’s believe or what is in our Bibles.

This is what SDA's agree to believe on the Sabbath when becoming a member.

The gracious Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God’s unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God’s kingdom. The Sabbath is God’s perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God’s creative and redemptive acts. (Gen. 2:1-3; Exod. 20:8-11; 31:13-17; Lev. 23:32; Deut. 5:12-15; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Ezek. 20:12, 20; Matt. 12:1-12; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:16; Heb. 4:1-11.)

The Sabbath: Timeless Rest in a Restless World

The Sabbath is God's weekly reminder that we are more than what we produce. It’s a gift of sacred time and presence.

www.adventist.org

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, Jesus gives us rest from sin by being our High Priest in the heavenly temple to forgive us our sins daily.

Rest from sin, I'll say Amen to that, brother!

1 Samuel 2:1
Hannah prayed, and said, “My heart exults in the Lord! My horn is exalted in the Lord. My mouth is enlarged over my enemies, because I rejoice in your salvation

The Fourth Commandment, on the other hand, has nothing to do with sin, for it was established before sin on the seventh day of creation, but is our way of showing love to God by announcing that He has been with us from the beginning, having established the International Date Line, and that God is in control of His word by having consistantly indicated to us what the days of the week are from the beginning, when we have misinterpreted this for 3,000 years since Joshua, who confused the earlier Sabbath in Jerusalem from evening to evening, with a new seventh day of the week, when God has not changed the days of the week since creation, being from morning to morning. The Jews, with their mistaken view of the days of the week, were unable to change the location of the International Date Line because it could only be established at the beginning, as the oldest tradition that was passed down by Adam and Eve, when God taught them to count the days of the week given to all of us, their descendentes.



United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Rest from sin, I'll say Amen to that, brother!

Brother, here is David expressing his rest in God's forgiveness by turning away from sin through practice under God's "hand of discipline".

Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sin is put out of sight! Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of guilt, whose lives are lived in complete honesty! When I refused to confess my sin, my body wasted away, and I groaned all day long. Day and night your hand of discipline was heavy on me. My strength evaporated like water in the summer heat. Finally, I confessed all my sins to you and stopped trying to hide my guilt. I said to myself, “I will confess my rebellion to the LORD.” And you forgave me! All my guilt is gone. Therefore, let all the godly pray to you while there is still time, that they may not drown in the floodwaters of judgment. For you are my hiding place; you protect me from trouble. You surround me with songs of victory. The LORD says, “I will guide you along the best pathway for your life. I will advise you and watch over you. Do not be like a senseless horse or mule that needs a bit and bridle to keep it under control.” Many sorrows come to the wicked, but unfailing love surrounds those who trust the LORD. So rejoice in the LORD and be glad, all you who obey him! Shout for joy, all you whose hearts are pure! (Psalm 32 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, here is David expressing his rest in God's forgiveness by turning away from sin through practice under God's "hand of discipline".

Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sin is put out of sight! Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of guilt, whose lives are lived in complete honesty! When I refused to confess my sin, my body wasted away, and I groaned all day long. Day and night your hand of discipline was heavy on me. My strength evaporated like water in the summer heat. Finally, I confessed all my sins to you and stopped trying to hide my guilt. I said to myself, “I will confess my rebellion to the LORD.” And you forgave me! All my guilt is gone. Therefore, let all the godly pray to you while there is still time, that they may not drown in the floodwaters of judgment. For you are my hiding place; you protect me from trouble. You surround me with songs of victory. The LORD says, “I will guide you along the best pathway for your life. I will advise you and watch over you. Do not be like a senseless horse or mule that needs a bit and bridle to keep it under control.” Many sorrows come to the wicked, but unfailing love surrounds those who trust the LORD. So rejoice in the LORD and be glad, all you who obey him! Shout for joy, all you whose hearts are pure! (Psalm 32 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Sounds great, brother! I'm feeling that joy, and I am not experiencing the hand of the Lord heavy on me. I think you are probably feeling the same. What conclusions can we draw from this?

Bless the Lord O my soul and all that is within me bless his holy name

 

[guevaraj]

Sounds great, brother! I'm feeling that joy, and I am not experiencing the hand of the Lord heavy on me. I think you are probably feeling the same. What conclusions can we draw from this?

Brother, in my case, I conclude that God heard my prayers. I felt God's powerful discipline upon me as I thought about the example I would set for my future family if I couldn't keep the Sabbath working at the airport. I accepted the job because they train you and don't require prior experience, unlike other jobs that don't train you but do require it. The Lord has blessed me with this job, so now I can keep the Sabbath by being the first to choose my work schedule. Now I have the joy of obeying the Lord's Sabbath, something I thought I could only achieve with my own business and never imagined I would have a stable job. Now I look forward to God giving me a family of my own.

The man who finds a wife finds a treasure, and he receives favor from the LORD. (Proverbs 18:22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, in my case, I conclude that God heard my prayers. I felt God's powerful discipline upon me as I thought about the example I would set for my future family if I couldn't keep the Sabbath working at the airport. I accepted the job because they train you and don't require prior experience, unlike other jobs that don't train you but do require it. The Lord has blessed me with this job, so now I can keep the Sabbath by being the first to choose my work schedule. Now I have the joy of obeying the Lord's Sabbath, something I thought I could only achieve with my own business and never imagined I would have a stable job. Now I look forward to God giving me a family of my own.

The man who finds a wife finds a treasure, and he receives favor from the LORD. (Proverbs 18:22 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Sounds great, brother! So you didn't actually experience discipline from actively disobeying, but more like God leading you?

I don't sense God leading me to keep the Sabbath in a physical way. I don't see that put into my mind or written on my heart

It looks like we've had different experiences on that!

Joyful joyful we adore you
God of Glory, Lord of love

 

[guevaraj]

I don't sense God leading me to keep the Sabbath in a physical way. I don't see that put into my mind or written on my heart
It looks like we've had different experiences on that!

Brother, what frees us from sin is “the truth.”

Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-21 NLT)​

I have "the truth" about the Sabbath in Hebrews chapter 4, and you don't. That's why you don't feel God's heavy disciplinary hand.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, what frees us from sin is “the truth.”

Jesus said to the people who believed in him, “You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:31-21 NLT)​

I have "the truth" about the Sabbath in Hebrews chapter 4, and you don't.

One possible conclusion

That's why you don't feel God's heavy disciplinary hand.

Does God's disciplining us depend on our having the truth?

You have forgotten the exhortation which reasons with you as with children,
“My son, don’t take lightly the chastening of the Lord,
nor faint when you are reproved by him; for whom the Lord loves, he disciplines,
and chastises every son whom he receives.” Hebrews 12

I assumed that's what you were talking about?

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Does God's disciplining us depend on our having the truth?

Brother, unless you understand the following message, the message will not be able to accomplish in you what God intended His word to accomplish in you, resulting in your “destruction.”

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

Twisting the above message out of context will result in your "destruction."

And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction. You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these lawless (athesmos) people and lose your own secure footing. Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18 NLT fixed)​

I assumed that's what you were talking about?

The heavy disciplinary hand of God is in the importance God gives to understanding the following message.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, unless you understand the following message, the message will not be able to accomplish in you what God intended His word to accomplish in you, resulting in your “destruction.”

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

Twisting the above message out of context will result in your "destruction."

And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction. You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these lawless (athesmos) people and lose your own secure footing. Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18 NLT fixed)​

The heavy disciplinary hand of God is in the importance God gives to understanding the following message.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hello, brother! The time stamp on your message for me says 3:00 in the morning. What time was it when you were typing this?

Anyways, it looks like we're using the word Discipline differently.

I see it as similar to this
When I kept silence, my bones wasted away through my groaning all day long.

4

For day and night your hand was heavy on me.
My strength was sapped in the heat of summer. Selah.

5

I acknowledged my sin to you.
I didn’t hide my iniquity.
I said, I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,
and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. Selah.

Tying it in with the OP, we can't experience the rest that Jesus gives, the rest for our souls, while we hide sin in our hearts

 

[guevaraj]

The time stamp on your message for me says 3:00 in the morning. What time was it when you were typing this?

Brother, I got off work at 1:30, ate, did some housework, then checked out the forums and responded. I had to pick up a computer the next day at 11, so I went to sleep when I saw the clock strike 3. I got up this morning just before 10, getting ready to go pick up the computer at 10:45 at the University of Notre Dame. It takes me 11 minutes to get there, according to Google.

Anyways, it looks like we're using the word Discipline differently.

I am referring to heavy words giving the message great importance. Words like "we should tremble in fear", "obedience" and "fall" within the following message.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

we can't experience the rest that Jesus gives, the rest for our souls, while we hide sin in our hearts

It is a sin to disobey God's message about the Sabbath in the following passage. I believe the reason people disobey this message is because they don't understand it.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, I got off work at 1:30, ate, did some housework, then checked out the forums and responded. I had to pick up a computer the next day at 11, so I went to sleep when I saw the clock strike 3. I got up this morning just before 10, getting ready to go pick up the computer at 10:45 at the University of Notre Dame. It takes me 11 minutes to get there, according to Google.

I'm glad you have the opportunity to work and make money

I am referring to heavy words giving the message great importance. Words like "we should tremble in fear", "obedience" and "fall" within the following message.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

It is a sin to disobey God's message about the Sabbath in the following passage.

That's where we read it differently

In addition, God puts his laws in the mind of all believers, doesn't he? And following God's way, we have peace and rest in Jesus

God has not put the principle of physically resting at a certain period each week depending on the position of the sun in my mind. If he did for you, then be sure to do that

The sun also rises, and the sun goes down, and hurries to its place where it rises. 6 The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north. It turns around continually as it goes, and the wind returns again to its courses Ecclesiastes 1

I believe the reason people disobey this message is because they don't understand it.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

God puts his laws in the mind of all believers, doesn't he?

Brother, God gives us His guaranteed word through the prophets in Hebrews chapter 4, and there is no other guaranteed word from God than what He tells us through His prophets. Your personal feelings don't change what God has given us in Hebrews chapter 4 to obey.

For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:16-21 NLT)​

And following God's way, we have peace and rest in Jesus

Yes, staying away from sin is achieved with practice, just like learning to play the piano.

God has not put the principle of physically resting at a certain period each week depending on the position of the sun in my mind. If he did for you, then be sure to do that

This is because you do not understand the following message in Hebrews chapter 4 guaranteed through the prophets.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, God gives us His guaranteed word through the prophets in Hebrews chapter 4,

He says he will put his law in our minds

...and there is no other guaranteed word from God than what He tells us through His prophets.

Your personal feelings don't change what God has given us in Hebrews chapter 4 to obey.

Right, it's not a feeling

For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:16-21 NLT)​

Yes, staying away from sin is achieved with practice, just like learning to play the piano.

Yes, and I am having rest In Christ †

This is because you do not understand the following message in Hebrews chapter 4 guaranteed through the prophets.

They will not teach every man his fellow citizen
and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for all will know me,
from their least to their greatest

If you are putting great effort into teaching other people the law, something doesn't add up, in my opinion

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Peace to you, my brother!

 

[guevaraj]

He says he will put his law in our minds

Brother, God's law is in my mind and I received it by reading the word of God given to us through the prophets.

For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:16-21 NLT)​

Right, it's not a feeling

You seem to think that your personal convictions are above what God says under the new covenant after Jesus in Hebrews chapter 4.

Yes, and I am having rest In Christ †

That thinking comes from a distortion of the message of Hebrews chapter 4 by the translators of the King James Version, completely twisting the message to say something different from what God told us in the original from the prophet.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

They will not teach every man his fellow citizen
and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’
for all will know me,
from their least to their greatest

This became a reality when we gained access to God's Word in our own languages, and we no longer need to learn it from someone who has it when we don't, as was the case when it was available primarily in Latin and taught by the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church opposed translating the Bible into the common language available to us today.

If you are putting great effort into teaching other people the law, something doesn't add up, in my opinion

I know your prejudices, but I am referring to Hebrews chapter 4 under the new covenant and you have fallen into the error of the lawless.

And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction. You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked (ponéros)/lawless (athesmos) people and lose your own secure footing. Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, God's law is in my mind and I received it by reading the word of God given to us through the prophets.

Brother, it looks to me like that would be you putting God's ways in your mind

For we were not making up clever stories when we told you about the powerful coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. We saw his majestic splendor with our own eyes when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice from the majestic glory of God said to him, “This is my dearly loved Son, who brings me great joy.” We ourselves heard that voice from heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain. Because of that experience, we have even greater confidence in the message proclaimed by the prophets. You must pay close attention to what they wrote, for their words are like a lamp shining in a dark place—until the Day dawns, and Christ the Morning Star shines in your hearts. Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, or from human initiative. No, those prophets were moved by the Holy Spirit, and they spoke from God. (2 Peter 1:16-21 NLT)​

You seem to think that your personal convictions are above what God says under the new covenant after Jesus in Hebrews chapter 4.

No. I do understand that when we read words, our minds attach meaning to them. It isn't a perfect system

God putting his ways in our minds, that's a perfect system

That thinking comes from a distortion of the message of Hebrews chapter 4 by the translators of the King James Version,

No, I don't think I've ever used the KJV for any serious study of the New Testament

...completely twisting the message to say something different from what God told us in the original from the prophet.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

This became a reality when we gained access to God's Word in our own languages,

It looks to me like it became a reality at the time of the New Covenant

...and we no longer need to learn it from someone who has it when we don't, as was the case when it was available primarily in Latin and taught by the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church opposed translating the Bible into the common language available to us today.

I know your prejudices, but I am referring to Hebrews chapter 4 under the new covenant and you have fallen into the error of the lawless.

We all have prejudices. I'm thankful that God puts his ways in our minds †

And remember, our Lord’s patience gives people time to be saved. This is what our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him— speaking of these things in all of his letters. Some of his comments are hard to understand, and those who are ignorant and unstable have twisted his letters to mean something quite different, just as they do with other parts of Scripture. And this will result in their destruction. You already know these things, dear friends. So be on guard; then you will not be carried away by the errors of these wicked (ponéros)/lawless (athesmos) people and lose your own secure footing. Rather, you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. All glory to him, both now and forever! Amen. (2 Peter 3:15-18 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I am enjoying the rest in Jesus, my brother, and I believe you are too

Psalm 124:7 Our soul has escaped like a bird out of the fowler’s snare. The snare is broken, and we have escaped