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I understand the various places where the quote from Isaiah occurred when I wrote both of those posts :heart:


Peace be with you, my sister
Then why take back what was said?

This seemed pretty clear referring to Christians today

I'd assume that people who are described as "in the flesh" or having a "stony heart" wouldn't really be Christians. I mean, they might put that on a form, but they would be more described like this :handpointdown:

this people draws near with their mouth and honors me with their lips, but they have removed their heart far from me Isaiah 29

But after I showed what Jesus was quoting from when He quoted Isaiah

It seemed you changed your mind as if for some people its okay to have their hearts far from God.

But God doesn't give the same instructions to every person throughout history

Regardless, no worries, I had a moment of hope, but guess we are in the same spot agree to disagree.

Be well.
 
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Is the ark described in Revelation definitely literal? Or is it a metaphor?

Assuming it's literal, does it have the entire book of the law on the side of it? Does that entire book also contain the Ten commandments? Or are the 10 only on the inside?
litteral
Again, a scripture that says inside the ark is more important than the side of the ark :heart:



Exactly! Hence, something inside the ark wasn't generally made to be accessed

Similar with God's finger. Jesus wrote In The Sand with his finger according to John 8. Yet we don't even know what he wrote

For the mouth of the Lord has spoken it Isaiah 50
You have access to all the information I have from the bible, I suggest you search there...

Why would the side of the ark be more important that the inside? the answer is in your bible, maybe if you read it directly you will start to believe?
 
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Is the ark described in Revelation definitely literal? Or is it a metaphor?

Assuming it's literal, does it have the entire book of the law on the side of it? Does that entire book also contain the Ten commandments? Or are the 10 only on the inside?
Literal, It is not mentioned is the rest of the law of Moses sits besides the Ark as seen in Heaven, but one day we shall know. all things shall be made clear.
It is nice Leaf to consider all these questions but do not let them divert you from the Core messages of the Bible. We are in the end times and we do not have much time left.
 
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Then why take back what was said?

This seemed pretty clear referring to Christians today



But after I showed what Jesus was quoting from when He quoted Isaiah
It seemed you changed your mind as if for some people its okay to have their hearts far from God.
No, that's not what I was saying. Abraham sacrificed animals in various places. The Israelites were told to sacrifice only at the temple. We don't sacrifice at all

Different times and people, different instructions

For any person with a soft heart and an ear to hear, it's not Shall I listen to God, but What is God saying

Regardless, no worries, I had a moment of hope, but guess we are in the same spot agree to disagree.
It's up to you :heart:

Here's what I see God saying today
The one who loves their neighbor has fulfilled the law Romans 13

"Has fulfilled" is in the perfect tense, a completed action

Many people who observe the Sabbath say that we are to still keep some commandments, and not others. The issue that I see is that no consistent method or approach is presented that will deal with all of the commandments

Thanks, you too!
 
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It's possible, but also possibly not literal

Jeremiah 3:16
It will come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the land in those days,” says the Lord, “they will no longer say, ‘the ark ofcovenant!’ It will not come to mind. They won’t remember it. They won’t miss it, nor will another be made

You have access to all the information I have from the bible, I suggest you search there...

Why would the side of the ark be more important that the inside? the answer is in your bible, maybe if you read it directly you will start to believe?
It's a discussion forum :heart: Post the passages from scripture, if you wish :)

Have a good day and may the lord bless you.
You, too!
 
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Literal, It is not mentioned is the rest of the law of Moses sits besides the Ark as seen in Heaven, but one day we shall know.
Sorry, I'm not following your sentence there :heart: There may be a typo?


all things shall be made clear.
It is nice Leaf to consider all these questions but...
...do not let them divert you from the Core messages of the Bible.
Why would you think that they do? If your ideas about the clear message of the Bible are different from mine, then we have something to discuss :heart:

We are in the end times and we do not have much time left.
I agree we are in the last days :thumbsup:

But this is what has been spoken through the prophet Joel:
‘It will be in the last days, says God,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh

Blessings
Blessings also to you!
 
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Dear Brother in Christ,

Please do not be offended by what I write next.
No worries :)

It came to mind this morning that you're wrestling with the truths of the Bible, much like the Apostle Thomas did in his time.
No, not true :heart:

It's a testament to your honest and searching spirit, and that's a wonderful thing.
As I was thinking about this, familiar verses in from Bible, came to mind that speak to this very struggle, found in
John 20:24-25 NKJV:

Just like Thomas, you might find yourself wanting tangible proof, something you can see and touch to truly accept the incredible claims of the Bible. This desire for certainty is understandable. Thomas had walked with Jesus, witnessed His miracles, and yet the resurrection seemed beyond comprehension without personal, undeniable evidence.
What Jesus Said to Him (John 20:26-27 NKJV):

Here, we see Jesus's incredible compassion and understanding. He didn't scold Thomas for his doubts but met him exactly where he was. He offered the very proof Thomas had requested. This shows us the immense love and patience Jesus has for us, even when our faith feels weak or our minds struggle to grasp the unseen.
Remember also the beautiful promise Jesus gave in Matthew 7:7 (NKJV):

Just as Thomas voiced his need, Jesus encourages us to bring our questions, our doubts, and our sincere desire for understanding to Him. Don't be afraid to "ask" the hard questions about the Bible, to "seek" deeper meaning, and to "knock" on the door of understanding. He promises that those who earnestly seek will find.
Thomas's Response and Jesus's Final Words (John 20:28-29 NKJV):

Thomas's encounter led to a powerful declaration of faith. While Jesus acknowledged the validity of Thomas's belief based on sight, He also pointed towards a greater blessing for those who believe without needing that physical confirmation.
And finally, let us hold onto the comforting promise Jesus made in John 14:26 (NKJV):

Jesus knew that after His ascension, we would need guidance and understanding. He promised to send the Holy Spirit, our Comforter and Helper, who would illuminate the truths of the Bible for us and bring clarity to our minds.
My friend Leaf, your questions are of a heart that desires truth.
The questions that I ask are to stimulate the discussion, and the minds of the expected audience. To me, there are clear answers in the Bible :)

Continue to seek, continue to ask, and trust in the promise of Jesus that He will meet you where you are. Allow the Holy Spirit to guide you and open your understanding. Just as Thomas moved from doubt to profound faith through an encounter with Jesus, may you also find increasing clarity and conviction as you continue your journey.

For my part, the only thing I can do is point to you the truths that I have received from the Holy Spirit and give the Bible passages that refer to your questions, they might not always be what you want to see but it is the best that I can offer. However Know this, The closer you Get to Jesus, his teachings, the more you will understand all things;
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." Jesus also said :Jhn 14:23 “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
Keeping Jesus words is the key Leaf, you can trust in him blindly you will never be wrong.
Jesus doesn't say the same thing to everyone, does he? I don't think he says this to people today

See that you tell nobody; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them

Peace be with you.
Thank you for your concern and the nice message!
 
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No worries :)


No, not true :heart:



The questions that I ask are to stimulate the discussion, and the minds of the expected audience. To me, there are clear answers in the Bible :)



Jesus doesn't say the same thing to everyone, does he? I don't think he says this to people today

See that you tell nobody; but go, show yourself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, as a testimony to them


Thank you for your concern and the nice message!
then I take it all back and leave you be
 
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then I take it all back and leave you be
As you wish :heart:

If you decide you want to discuss things, just reply to one of my posts :)

May the peace that Jesus gives he always with you!
 
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The problem, and why they always rise to the top in conversations on this forum is that many say the Commandments are abolished.
Let's stay away from the word abolished, it's a strawman. I think if you listen the concept articulate is consistent with fulfilled; it's the result of fulfilled that is understood differently. To one it means complete so that it never needs to be done again, to another, it means performed perfectly as a model of how we should do it. If it's an example of a bucket, one camp says look the bucket is full, its purpose is complete, the other camp says look that's how you fill a bucket let's fill ours the say way, but no one is kicking the bucket over. So please stop it with the abolished argument, it gets tired and no one is actually saying it and if you trap someone into saying it, that's on you. Also recognize that there are laws that we agree are fulfilled through Christ that carry a meaning of no longer in practice. In Mat 5 Christ spoke of the law and prophets as the context he does not signal out the 10.

The 10 may reveal God character but let's not pretend that they are broad strokes and more focused on what to avoid than what to do. Sure I can not murder my neighbour, that's actually not that hard to do, and that's all the commandment requires of me. But there is nothing about loving him. You can pile on lying, stealing, coveting, sleeping with his wife, etc... and I can do all of those things but still have no love so in the end profit nothing.

The same is with having no other gods, no graven images or not taking God's name in vain. Those things are not actually that hard to do, but they speak nothing about loving God. And then the Sabbath, the most unnatural of the 10 as you need to be told what to do in order to understand it's instructions, and it doesn't come naturally, sure rest comes naturally, but not the the requirement the 4th puts on it. Even then I may enter this ritial rest agreement and still have no love. The entire 10 may be kept to the letter but be void of love.

I do not deny the 10 shows the character of God but does circumcision do this no less? It's the blind men feeling an elephant where the 10 are only an aspect, but incomplete because alone it is a tree trunk, or a rope, a wall or snake, but you can't see the whole elephant from merely looking at the 10. But the 10 are not the elephant and I think that is a critical problem in these discussions, where often the 10 are presented as the goal. The 10 point to the goal, but they are not the goal itself. When we view the 10 isolated, it is just a severed part of an elephant with no context and we can get trapped into see whatever the blind men see.

If we critically look at these things, God has his immutable character, the law becomes a contextual example of that for place and time. It cannot be itself immutable, because it can never be a mirror of God's character (no words really can), this is the demand and point of the Spirit. Law written upon our hearts is not the 10 verbatim on our hearts, which would be a little silly (we already have the 10 widely available) what is written upon our hearts comes from the spirit and is living and dynamic, going well beyond the 10.

We can align ourselves to the 10, but it's severely limited and you'll just practice legalism because that's all the 10 teaches. To break free from the legalism, we need to view the 10 as a part of the plan instead of the plan itself. Understood under Christ we don't just avoid hurting each other but rather are actively pursing care for each other (rather than crossing the street to avoid it all together). This is captured in Christ's law, love for God and each other, and NT scripture reveals to all this keeps law. The issue is the ritual/ceremonial practices don't have a clear path in for this mechanism through love/goodness. We don't care about the sacrifice are things like circumcision, because they are widely considered complete through Christ (the "finished" fulfilled) but with Sabbath, it's rejected as a ritual and try and forced into moral practice. But the problem is Sabbath does not show us moral practice it shows us ritual practice. But how we define sabbath is not actually an issue, Christ tells us that goodness is lawful on the sabbath (mt 12:12) (regardless of the work involved) by doing so, he shows how sabbath law requirement is fulfilled through Christ's law. This is a rare example of a ritual practice shown as being fulfilled through goodness/love explicitly reconciled with Christ's law. The focus Christ has moves away from the ritual practice into a goodness/love practice and in doing so he shows us this is a better way of keeping law. So law is not broken, abolished, forgotten, done away with, or whatever other strawmen you throw in there. Law is kept completely through Christ's law.
 
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To break free from the legalism, we need to view the 10 as a part of the plan instead of the plan itself.

How does this teaching compare to what the God of the Bible told us of the Ten Commandments, written by the finger of God or the Holy Spirit of Truth

Exo 20:6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Is the God of Heaven a legalist? No. He told us right in the Ten Commandments, that we keep to those who love Him. The basis for the Ten Commandments is love.
 
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Let's stay away from the word abolished, it's a strawman. I think if you listen the concept articulate is consistent with fulfilled; it's the result of fulfilled that is understood differently. To one it means complete so that it never needs to be done again, to another, it means performed perfectly as a model of how we should do it. If it's an example of a bucket, one camp says look the bucket is full, its purpose is complete, the other camp says look that's how you fill a bucket let's fill ours the say way, but no one is kicking the bucket over. So please stop it with the abolished argument, it gets tired and no one is actually saying it and if you trap someone into saying it, that's on you. Also recognize that there are laws that we agree are fulfilled through Christ that carry a meaning of no longer in practice. In Mat 5 Christ spoke of the law and prophets as the context he does not signal out the 10.

The 10 may reveal God character but let's not pretend that they are broad strokes and more focused on what to avoid than what to do. Sure I can not murder my neighbour, that's actually not that hard to do, and that's all the commandment requires of me. But there is nothing about loving him. You can pile on lying, stealing, coveting, sleeping with his wife, etc... and I can do all of those things but still have no love so in the end profit nothing.

The same is with having no other gods, no graven images or not taking God's name in vain. Those things are not actually that hard to do, but they speak nothing about loving God. And then the Sabbath, the most unnatural of the 10 as you need to be told what to do in order to understand it's instructions, and it doesn't come naturally, sure rest comes naturally, but not the the requirement the 4th puts on it. Even then I may enter this ritial rest agreement and still have no love. The entire 10 may be kept to the letter but be void of love.

I do not deny the 10 shows the character of God but does circumcision do this no less? It's the blind men feeling an elephant where the 10 are only an aspect, but incomplete because alone it is a tree trunk, or a rope, a wall or snake, but you can't see the whole elephant from merely looking at the 10. But the 10 are not the elephant and I think that is a critical problem in these discussions, where often the 10 are presented as the goal. The 10 point to the goal, but they are not the goal itself. When we view the 10 isolated, it is just a severed part of an elephant with no context and we can get trapped into see whatever the blind men see.

If we critically look at these things, God has his immutable character, the law becomes a contextual example of that for place and time. It cannot be itself immutable, because it can never be a mirror of God's character (no words really can), this is the demand and point of the Spirit. Law written upon our hearts is not the 10 verbatim on our hearts, which would be a little silly (we already have the 10 widely available) what is written upon our hearts comes from the spirit and is living and dynamic, going well beyond the 10.

We can align ourselves to the 10, but it's severely limited and you'll just practice legalism because that's all the 10 teaches. To break free from the legalism, we need to view the 10 as a part of the plan instead of the plan itself. Understood under Christ we don't just avoid hurting each other but rather are actively pursing care for each other (rather than crossing the street to avoid it all together). This is captured in Christ's law, love for God and each other, and NT scripture reveals to all this keeps law. The issue is the ritual/ceremonial practices don't have a clear path in for this mechanism through love/goodness. We don't care about the sacrifice are things like circumcision, because they are widely considered complete through Christ (the "finished" fulfilled) but with Sabbath, it's rejected as a ritual and try and forced into moral practice. But the problem is Sabbath does not show us moral practice it shows us ritual practice. But how we define sabbath is not actually an issue, Christ tells us that goodness is lawful on the sabbath (mt 12:12) (regardless of the work involved) by doing so, he shows how sabbath law requirement is fulfilled through Christ's law. This is a rare example of a ritual practice shown as being fulfilled through goodness/love explicitly reconciled with Christ's law. The focus Christ has moves away from the ritual practice into a goodness/love practice and in doing so he shows us this is a better way of keeping law. So law is not broken, abolished, forgotten, done away with, or whatever other strawmen you throw in there. Law is kept completely through Christ's law.
The concept of "Christ's law," as it's often referred to, is ultimately untenable and represents another attempt by man to redefine or reinterpret the laws that God originally gave. Jesus Himself did not come to create a new law or to offer a completely different set of commandments. Rather, He clarified and fulfilled the true intent of God's law, drawing out the deeper principles of love and righteousness that were always embedded within it.

When Jesus speaks about loving God and loving others as the two greatest commandments (Matthew 22:37-40), He’s not proposing a new law but revealing the foundational heart of all the commandments. In this light, "Christ’s law" isn’t a separate or alternative legal code—it is the full expression of what the law was always meant to point to: love and selflessness.

To say that "Christ's law" replaces or overrides the original laws given in the Old Testament is to misunderstand both the purpose of the law and Christ's role. Jesus did not come to invalidate or replace God's commandments but to fulfill and deepen their meaning. Any attempt to reinterpret or alter the original commandments, including through a so-called "Christ law," risks distorting their true purpose and intent, which is to guide humanity toward God’s perfect character and the love He desires for His people.
Thus, the law is not to be redefined by man but understood through the fullness of God's revelation in Christ, who Himself perfectly embodied and fulfilled it.

The words of Jesus and the Old Testament are clear that the law, including the Ten Commandments, is not abolished but fulfilled in Christ. Jesus repeatedly emphasized the importance of love as the heart of God's law, fulfilling it in a way that goes beyond mere external compliance.

In Matthew 5, Jesus said He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it. He called for a deeper righteousness, one that transcends legalism. The law pointed to the character of God, but it could never fully capture His essence. As such, while the Ten Commandments reveal God’s nature, they are not the end goal. Jesus, through His life, taught that the law’s fulfillment is found in love: love for God and love for others (Matthew 22:37-40). This is the “law” written on our hearts, which the Holy Spirit enables us to live out.Thus, the law isn’t abolished, but its true purpose—rooted in love—becomes evident in Christ. He did not destroy the law but brought it to its intended fulfillment.

The sabbath, as originally given by God, was intended to be a day of rest, reflection, and relationship with Him—a day to cease from labor and focus on spiritual renewal. However, over time, human traditions added a multitude of rules and regulations surrounding the Sabbath, burdening it with a legalistic framework that made it more about ritual compliance than the spirit of rest and devotion it was meant to represent.
Jesus, in Matthew 12:12, challenges this distortion of the Sabbath by emphasizing that acts of kindness and mercy are in alignment with the true purpose of the Sabbath. His actions on the Sabbath—healing the sick and doing good—show that the Sabbath is not merely about following a rigid set of rules, but about fulfilling God's deeper purpose of love and compassion.
The description of the Sabbath given in Isaiah 58:13, where the Lord speaks through the prophet, saying:

"If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath and from doing as you please on my holy day, if you call the Sabbath a delight and the Lord's holy day honorable, and if you honor it by not going your own way and not doing as you please or speaking idle words..."

Isaiah describes the Sabbath as a day set apart for God’s purposes—one that is honorable and joyful, not a day for empty rituals or human-imposed burdens. The focus is on delighting in God, refraining from selfish pursuits, and honoring the day by aligning with God’s heart. It’s about a life that reflects God’s will, not simply avoiding work or adhering to a set of external rules.

In contrast to the heavy regulations added by men, Isaiah points to the Sabbath as a day that should reflect a heart of worship, joy, and compassion—not one burdened by human-made rules. Jesus, in his ministry, seeks to restore the true spirit of the Sabbath, moving beyond the legalistic interpretation that had grown over time, and showing that its true purpose is fulfilled in acts of love, mercy, and goodness. Thus, the Sabbath is not about adhering to human regulations, but about aligning with God’s heart and His deeper desires for His people. And yes the sabbath command is part of the Commandments written by God on tables of stone written with his own finger and called the Covenant. Who are we to contradict God and change what He ordained.
 
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Showing loving kindness to thousands is a general characteristic of God

Ah Lord God! Behold, you have made the heavens and the earth by your great power and by your outstretched arm. There is nothing too hard for you. 18 You show loving kindness to thousands, and repay the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them. The great, the mighty God, the Lord of Armies is your name Jeremiah 32

But today we don't generally think in terms of God punishing children for the sins of their parents, especially children who are believers
 
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today we don't generally think in terms of God punishing children for the sins of their parents, especially children who are believers
Brother, the book of Job helps me understand that God takes responsibility for everything He allows to happen to us when He allowed Satan to wreak havoc in Job's life. In the context of the book of Job, it was Satan's sins that God allowed to wreak havoc in Job's life.

“O Sovereign LORD! You made the heavens and earth by your strong hand and powerful arm. Nothing is too hard for you! You show unfailing love to thousands, but you also bring the consequences of one generation’s sin upon the next. You are the great and powerful God, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. You have all wisdom and do great and mighty miracles. You see the conduct of all people, and you give them what they deserve. You performed miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt—things still remembered to this day! And you have continued to do great miracles in Israel and all around the world. You have made your name famous to this day. (Jeremiah 32:17-20 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
 
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Brother, the book of Job helps me understand that God takes responsibility for everything He allows to happen to us when He allowed Satan to wreak havoc in Job's life. In the context of the book of Job, it was Satan's sins that God allowed to wreak havoc in Job's life.

“O Sovereign LORD! You made the heavens and earth by your strong hand and powerful arm. Nothing is too hard for you! You show unfailing love to thousands, but you also bring the consequences of one generation’s sin upon the next. You are the great and powerful God, the LORD of Heaven’s Armies. You have all wisdom and do great and mighty miracles. You see the conduct of all people, and you give them what they deserve. You performed miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt—things still remembered to this day! And you have continued to do great miracles in Israel and all around the world. You have made your name famous to this day. (Jeremiah 32:17-20 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
I don't think God was punishing Job, though

Psalm 109:8
Let his days be few. Let another take his office
 
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I don't think God was punishing Job, though
Brother, Job's friend thought that God was punishing him for Job's own sins and not for the sins of another, Satan.

“Stop and think! Do the innocent die? When have the upright been destroyed? My experience shows that those who plant trouble and cultivate evil will harvest the same. (Job 4:7-8 NLT)​

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Brother, Job's friend thought that God was punishing him for Job's own sins and not for the sins of another, Satan.

“Stop and think! Do the innocent die? When have the upright been destroyed? My experience shows that those who plant trouble and cultivate evil will harvest the same. (Job 4:7-8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
Yes! And

Job 42:7 the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you, and against your two friends; for you have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job has

O give thanks to the Lord, for he is good, his mercy endures forever
 
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