What is Christ's rest?

[Aseyesee]

Not sure what this means, because we were created we are entitled to God’s rest, is this what you are implying but don’t have to obey God’s voice in how to keep the Sabbath. God in His own words said the Sabbath is some man does.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy

Not sure what this means, because we were created we are entitled to God’s rest, is this what you are implying but don’t have to obey God’s voice in how to keep the Sabbath. God in His own words said the Sabbath is some man does.

Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

Exo 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy

Rest from the labour to be what Adam was from the beginning, the son of God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Rest from the labour to be what Adam was from the beginning, the son of God.

What labor did Adam have at creation, God made Creation, not Adam Gen 2:1-3

 

[guevaraj]

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you
Spirit of God, whatever name one wishes to use

Brother, there is a great difference between whether Paul's use of the word "Spirit" in context refers to Jesus or the Holy Spirit, because one is a model for us in the flesh, to reflect Him as in a mirror, and the other is not a model because He is invisible and is confused with our own feelings, which are contrary to the will of God.

But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit (Jesus) of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God (Comparing yourself to the life-giving image of Jesus and not confusing your personal feelings that lead to death as coming from the Holy Spirit). (Romans 8:9-10 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Aseyesee]

What labor did Adam have at creation, God made Creation, not Adam Gen 2:1-3

The labour started when Adam ate (pictures of the process found in a garden that was not inclosed) relative to our soul (mind, will, emotions).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The labour started when Adam ate (pictures of the process found in a garden that was not inclosed) relative to our soul (mind, will, emotions).

Verse please. Please tell me through Scripture where the seventh day Sabbath started when Adam ate the fruit. God said it started at Creation on the seventh day Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11, so thats what I am going to stick with.

I can’t debate people who use their own words instead of Scripture, its not an equal debate, so unless you can provide Scripture to back up our beliefs, I will just leave it as agree to disagree.

 

[Aseyesee]

Verse please. Please tell me through Scripture where the seventh day Sabbath started when Adam ate the fruit. God said it started at Creation on the seventh day Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:11, so thats what I am going to stick with.

I can’t debate people who use their own words instead of Scripture, its not an equal debate, so unless you can provide Scripture to back up our beliefs, I will just leave it as agree to disagree.

Adam lived (930 years) seventy years short (Peter's thousand years as one day) of entering into God's rest.

The tempter came to Adam just as he had come to Jesus, with the same motive ... to eat of one's own reasoning; one was if you do you'll be like him and the other to prove that you are ...

"Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?"

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, there is a great difference between whether Paul's use of the word "Spirit" in context refers to Jesus or the Holy Spirit,

In context, this is the Spirit of God

As many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are children of God. 15 For you didn’t receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, “Daddy! Father!”

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God. If children, then heirs—heirs of God and joint heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with him, that we may also be glorified with him

The Spirit is cognizant, able to testify

...because one is a model for us in the flesh, to reflect Him as in a mirror, and the other is not a model because He is invisible and is confused with our own feelings,

I'm not confusing the testimony of the Spirit of God with my feelings

My brother,

@guevaraj my brother, you frequently refer to feeling. Do you experience the Spirit of God bearing witness with your spirit?

Yo cantaré de la bondad de Dios
(I will sing if the goodness of God)

✝

...which are contrary to the will of God.

But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit (Jesus) of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God (Comparing yourself to the life-giving image of Jesus and not confusing your personal feelings that lead to death as coming from the Holy Spirit). (Romans 8:9-10 NLT overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

The Spirit is cognizant, able to testify

Brother, which Spirit does Paul tell us is able to bear witness to our spirit that we are children of God? There are three Spirits in the following passage.

Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20 NLT)​

You know that God is Spirit in the following passage and therefore all three mentioned above are Spirit and, without Paul saying the Holy Spirit, only the context can tell us which of the three Paul is talking about.

Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-24 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[honey badger]

What is Christ's rest?​

as an example of what it is ... is when Peter walked on water .......

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, which Spirit does Paul tell us is able to bear witness to our spirit that we are children of God? There are three Spirits in the following passage.

Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” (Matthew 28:18-20 NLT)​

You know that God is Spirit in the following passage and therefore all three mentioned above are Spirit and, without Paul saying the Holy Spirit, only the context can tell us which of the three Paul is talking about.

Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:21-24 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

It's the Spirit of God, you can't always separate them

My point is that the Spirit is cognizant. It is not an abstraction, such as a model

the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions wait for me Acts 20:23

While Peter was pondering the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Behold, three men seek you. 20 But arise, get down, and go with them, doubting nothing; for I have sent them” Acts 10

I didn’t recognize him, but he who sent me to baptize in water said to me, ‘On whomever you will see the Spirit descending and remaining on him is he who baptizes in the Holy Spirit John 1

 

[guevaraj]

It's the Spirit of God, you can't always separate them

Brother, Paul tells us in context which Spirit can bear witness with our spirit that we are children of God in the following passage: the “Spirit” of Christ living in you, different from the Holy Spirit forced by the translators by adding the word holy before the word Spirit in the following message.

So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. The law was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit. Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy (not found in the original) Spirit (Jesus as our model to compare ourselves with and not the Holy Spirit as the excuse to continue in sin because to sin pleases a sinner) think about things that please the Spirit. So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit (Jesus) of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God (Comparing yourself to the life-giving image of Jesus and not confusing your personal feelings that lead to death as coming from the Holy Spirit). (Romans 8:1-10 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, Paul tells us in context which Spirit can bear witness with our spirit that we are children of God in the following passage: the “Spirit” of Christ living in you, different from the Holy Spirit forced by the translators by adding the word holy before the word Spirit in the following message.

So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. The law was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. He did this so that the just requirement of the law would be fully satisfied for us, who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit. Those who are dominated by the sinful nature think about sinful things, but those who are controlled by the Holy (not found in the original) Spirit (Jesus as our model to compare ourselves with and not the Holy Spirit as the excuse to continue in sin because to sin pleases a sinner) think about things that please the Spirit. So letting your sinful nature control your mind leads to death. But letting the Spirit control your mind leads to life and peace. For the sinful nature is always hostile to God. It never did obey God’s laws, and it never will. That’s why those who are still under the control of their sinful nature can never please God. But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit (Jesus) of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God (Comparing yourself to the life-giving image of Jesus and not confusing your personal feelings that lead to death as coming from the Holy Spirit). (Romans 8:1-10 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Brother, I don't understand why you use a translation that isn't very literal and then talk about how it adds words

Here's a public domain translation that's fairly literal

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 8 - World English Bible

There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don’t walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. For what the law couldn’t do, in that it was weak through...

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Anyways, Spirit of God, whatever name you want to use

Don’t throw me from your presence,
and don’t take your Holy Spirit from me
Restore to me the joy of your salvation.
Uphold me with a willing spirit Psalm 51

 

[guevaraj]

Brother, I don't understand why you use a translation that isn't very literal and then talk about how it adds words
Here's a public domain translation that's fairly literal

Brother, that translation is dishonest, for it imposes the same message against context as the King James Version by inserting Jesus before David in Hebrews chapter 4, while dishonestly removing the evidence the KJV left to show how they twisted the message. They insert Jesus against context, as the King James Version does, but they remove the evidence the KJV used to twist the message against context to claim we have already entered the Sabbath, when the original says we have not corrected the misunderstanding of the Sabbath since Joshua.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

The message below inserts Jesus against context, while removing evidence in its earlier predecessor of going against context to say that we have already entered the Sabbath, when that is not the case, because it is not a message about believing in Jesus, but about believing in the good news of the Sabbath.

Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, he again defines a certain day, “today”, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:1-11 WEB)​

Here is the NLT's full modern effort to give us the original meaning clearly in our language where we have yet to enter the rest, correcting the misunderstanding of the Sabbath since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

The NLT is a full modern effort to give the original meaning clearly in our language, a full effort that strives not to go against context, like the WEB's dishonesty of doing so while hiding the evidence left by their predecessor, the KJV. The WEB has adopted the KJV's insertion of Jesus against context while hiding the source of the KJV's twisted message. The WEB removed the KJV's source of its different message to say that we have already entered the rest by removing the misidentification of Joshua as Jesus and the use of the word "gospel" for the good news of the Sabbath, but they keep the outcome of the KJV insertion of Jesus to say that we have already entered the rest, twisting a message about a past mistake about the Sabbath needing correction into a different message of us having already entered the Sabbath yet to be corrected. The original message tells us that Judaism is wrong about the Sabbath when God prevented them from entering the Sabbath during the 40 years in the wilderness, as punishment for their disobedience. The King James Version used the word “gospel” to change the entire message, from the belief needed to correct Joshua’s past misunderstanding of the Sabbath to whether a Jew believes in Jesus today as we do. Perhaps a simplification of the KJV message as different from the NLT will help you understand what I mean by the KJV twisting the message against the context by inserting Jesus before David into the message about the “good news” of the Sabbath in the book of Hebrews. The original message speaks of a past error by "Joshua" about the Sabbath, but the KJV translators want it instead to be about us having already entered the Sabbath by having believed in Jesus, inserting Jesus into the context of an error that began before “David” with "Joshua" and not after “David” with Jesus.

God wants you to enter the corrected good news of the Sabbath "rest" Joshua got wrong before David. (the NLT's simplified message)​

The KJV translators then translated the original message against the context, changing the message from a past misunderstanding of the Sabbath by "Joshua" before "David" to us entering the Sabbath by believing in Jesus, who was not before "David", showing they had gone against the context of the message.

Jesus is the Sabbath "rest" that the Jews have not entered and that we have already entered. (the KJV's simplified message)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, that translation is dishonest, for it imposes the same message against context as the King James Version by inserting Jesus before David in Hebrews chapter 4, while dishonestly removing the evidence the KJV left to show how they twisted the message. They insert Jesus against context, as the King James Version does, but they remove the evidence the KJV used to twist the message against context to claim we have already entered the Sabbath, when the original says we have not corrected the misunderstanding of the Sabbath since Joshua.

Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. (Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV)​

The message below inserts Jesus against context, while removing evidence in its earlier predecessor of going against context to say that we have already entered the Sabbath, when that is not the case, because it is not a message about believing in Jesus, but about believing in the good news of the Sabbath.

Let’s fear therefore, lest perhaps anyone of you should seem to have come short of a promise of entering into his rest. For indeed we have had good news preached to us, even as they also did, but the word they heard didn’t profit them, because it wasn’t mixed with faith by those who heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest, even as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, they will not enter into my rest;” although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has said this somewhere about the seventh day, “God rested on the seventh day from all his works;” and in this place again, “They will not enter into my rest.” Seeing therefore it remains that some should enter into it, and they to whom the good news was preached before failed to enter in because of disobedience, he again defines a certain day, “today”, saying through David so long a time afterward (just as has been said), “Today if you will hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. There remains therefore a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For he who has entered into his rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let’s therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:1-11 WEB)​

Here is the NLT's full modern effort to give us the original meaning clearly in our language where we have yet to enter the rest, correcting the misunderstanding of the Sabbath since Joshua.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

The NLT is a full modern effort to give the original meaning clearly in our language, a full effort that strives not to go against context, like the WEB's dishonesty of doing so while hiding the evidence left by their predecessor, the KJV. The WEB has adopted the KJV's insertion of Jesus against context while hiding the source of the KJV's twisted message. The WEB removed the KJV's source of its different message to say that we have already entered the rest by removing the misidentification of Joshua as Jesus and the use of the word "gospel" for the good news of the Sabbath, but they keep the outcome of the KJV insertion of Jesus to say that we have already entered the rest, twisting a message about a past mistake about the Sabbath needing correction into a different message of us having already entered the Sabbath yet to be corrected. The original message tells us that Judaism is wrong about the Sabbath when God prevented them from entering the Sabbath during the 40 years in the wilderness, as punishment for their disobedience. The King James Version used the word “gospel” to change the entire message, from the belief needed to correct Joshua’s past misunderstanding of the Sabbath to whether a Jew believes in Jesus today as we do. Perhaps a simplification of the KJV message as different from the NLT will help you understand what I mean by the KJV twisting the message against the context by inserting Jesus before David into the message about the “good news” of the Sabbath in the book of Hebrews. The original message speaks of a past error by "Joshua" about the Sabbath, but the KJV translators want it instead to be about us having already entered the Sabbath by having believed in Jesus, inserting Jesus into the context of an error that began before “David” with "Joshua" and not after “David” with Jesus.

God wants you to enter the corrected good news of the Sabbath "rest" Joshua got wrong before David. (the NLT's simplified message)​

The KJV translators then translated the original message against the context, changing the message from a past misunderstanding of the Sabbath by "Joshua" before "David" to us entering the Sabbath by believing in Jesus, who was not before "David", showing they had gone against the context of the message.

Jesus is the Sabbath "rest" that the Jews have not entered and that we have already entered. (the KJV's simplified message)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Is there any translation you don't feel that you have to fix?

Is this accurate?

Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥΣ 4 - SBL Greek New Testament

Φοβηθῶμεν οὖν μήποτε καταλειπομένης ἐπαγγελίας εἰσελθεῖν εἰς τὴν κατάπαυσιν αὐτοῦ δοκῇ τις ἐξ ὑμῶν ὑστερηκέναι· καὶ γάρ ἐσμεν εὐηγγελισμένοι καθάπερ κἀκεῖνοι, ἀλλ’ οὐκ ὠφέλησεν ὁ λόγος τῆς ἀκοῆς ἐκείνους, μὴ συγκεκερασμένους τῇ πίστει τοῖς ἀκούσασιν. εἰσερχόμεθα γὰρ εἰς κατάπαυσιν οἱ...

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Psalm 106:12
Then they believed his words. They sang his praise

 

[guevaraj]

Is there any translation you don't feel that you have to fix?

Brother, they all come from uninspired translators. The only guaranteed message is the one given by the prophets in the original language. I remember learning that the Textus Receptus used for the King James Version did not contain all the necessary original Greek manuscripts, and that the Latin translation was used to fill the gap, translating the Latin into Greek and thus completing the Textus Receptus. Most modern translations use the Critical Text, but the King James Version used the Textus Receptus.

Is this accurate?

The value of the SBLGNT lies in pointing out all the known differences for ease of study, but it is not a critical text for reading like the MGNT is for understanding what the original message likely contained. This MGNT is the Greek the NLT uses when it says we "can," and not that we have entered the correct "day" for the Sabbath. A Sabbath which has been misunderstood since Joshua who was before David and not since Jesus, who came after David.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)​

The KJV translators inserted Jesus against the context of David as a later reference point in history and not an earlier reference point for the "good news" of the Sabbath.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, they all come from uninspired translators. The only guaranteed message is the one given by the prophets in the original language.

Thanks for your answer, brother That sounds like a No

If you feel that you know better than all the other Bible translators, why not just provide your own translation?

I remember learning that the Textus Receptus used for the King James Version did not contain all the necessary original Greek manuscripts, and that the Latin translation was used to fill the gap, translating the Latin into Greek and thus completing the Textus Receptus. Most modern translations use the Critical Text, but the King James Version used the Textus Receptus.

The value of the SBLGNT lies in pointing out all the known differences for ease of study, but it is not a critical text for reading like the MGNT is for understanding what the original message likely contained. This MGNT is the Greek the NLT uses when it says we "can," and not that we have entered the correct "day" for the Sabbath. A Sabbath which has been misunderstood since Joshua who was before David and not since Jesus, who came after David.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)​

The KJV translators inserted Jesus against the context of David as a later reference point in history and not an earlier reference point for the "good news" of the Sabbath.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Back to the rest of that Jesus gives

a time to seek,
and a time to lose;
a time to keep,
and a time to cast away
Ecclesiastes 3

 

[Leaf473]

Say, @guevaraj , my brother

What are your thoughts on this?
Jeremiah 6:16
The Lord says, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, ‘Where is the good way?’ and walk in it, and you will find rest for your souls. But they said, ‘We will not walk in it.’

 

[guevaraj]

If you feel that you know better than all the other Bible translators, why not just provide your own translation?

Brother, I have provided my own translation of the following passage because the "evening" that ends the Sabbath in Jerusalem is part of Saturday, as shown, where God uses a misunderstood expression: "the first of the Sabbaths." This expression refers to the seventh day of creation week we call Saturday. I will use "Saturday" for the seventh day, as distinct from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in Jerusalem, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God in the following passage.

Below, "as it dawns beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in Jerusalem and before the morning began Sunday, as Paul corrects the days of creation from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews. This means that Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night, after the Sabbath ended in the "evening", as that same "evening" began what God called "night" until Sunday began in the "morning". In Genesis, we speak from the perspective of what begins the first day, when the Bible speaks from the perspective of what ends the first day on a "morning".

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

What are your thoughts on this?

Brother, it means that God does not change and that what He expected from the Jews He equally expects from us: obedience to the Ten Commandments, which includes obedience to the corrected "day" for the Sabbath in Hebrews chapter 4.

This is what the LORD says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ (Jeremiah 6:16 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, I have provided my own translation of the following passage because the "evening" that ends the Sabbath in Jerusalem is part of Saturday, as shown, where God uses a misunderstood expression: "the first of the Sabbaths." This expression refers to the seventh day of creation week we call Saturday. I will use "Saturday" for the seventh day, as distinct from the Sabbath, which is separate from the seventh day in Jerusalem, to correct the translation of this "expression" of God in the following passage.

Below, "as it dawns beyond Saturday" refers to the end of the second half of Saturday, the night half from evening to morning, where Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night after the Sabbath in Jerusalem and before the morning began Sunday, as Paul corrects the days of creation from human tradition since Joshua in Hebrews. This means that Jesus resurrected on a Saturday night, after the Sabbath ended in the "evening", as that same "evening" began what God called "night" until Sunday began in the "morning". In Genesis, we speak from the perspective of what begins the first day, when the Bible speaks from the perspective of what ends the first day on a "morning".

long after the Sabbath (evening), as it dawns beyond Saturday (morning), came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, to see the tomb. (Mathew 28:1, my own translation)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Cool What's your translation of Hebrews 4?