What is Christ's rest?

[Leaf473]

Brother, it means that God does not change and that what He expected from the Jews He equally expects from us: obedience to the Ten Commandments,

The Ten Commandments only?

Psalm 119:91
Your laws remain to this day, for all things serve you

Peace be with you, my brother

...which includes obedience to the corrected "day" for the Sabbath in Hebrews chapter 4.

This is what the LORD says: “Stop at the crossroads and look around. Ask for the old, godly way, and walk in it. Travel its path, and you will find rest for your souls. But you reply, ‘No, that’s not the road we want!’ (Jeremiah 6:16 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

The Ten Commandments only?

Brother, according to Paul, in the following passage, Jesus, as the Spirit, only replaces the letters etched in stone, the Ten Commandments, and no other law than the Ten Commandments as the only letters etched in stone. Translators have given the impression that he is referring to more than the Ten Commandments, but that is not Paul's original message.

We are confident of all this because of our great trust in God through Christ. It is not that we think we are qualified to do anything on our own (circumcision by humans). Our qualification comes from God (Jesus does the circumcision by removing human traditions that cancel the Ten Commandments' removal of sin in Judaism). He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant (Jesus as our model). This is a covenant not of the letter (Ten Commandments), but of the Spirit (Jesus). The letter ends in death (sabotaged to not remove sin by human traditions); but the Spirit (Jesus) gives life (Jesus' model of full disobedience of the Ten Commandments). The old way, with letters etched in stone (Ten Commandments), led to death (sabotaged by human traditions not to remove sin), though it began with such glory (leading to righteousness) that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God (which is His righteousness expressed in the Ten Commandments), even though the brightness was already fading away (disobedience to the Ten Commandments by added human traditions). Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way (Jesus as the "Spirit" model to image as in a mirror), now that the Holy (added by the translators) Spirit (Jesus) gives life? If the old way, which brings condemnation (Judaism teaching disobedience to the Ten Commandments by canceling them with human traditions), was glorious (leading to righteousness), how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God (removes sin)! In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious (led to righteousness), how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever! Since this new way (of imaging as in a mirror the model "Spirit" of Jesus, rather than Judaism's teachings of disobedience) gives us such confidence, we can be very bold (learning to use God's name properly, which Judaism does not even try). We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory (of God's righteousness), even though it was destined to fade away (by Judaism's growing disobedience to the Ten Commandments). But the people’s minds were hardened (to disobey the Ten Commandments), and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth (of their disobedience by canceling God's Commandments with their own human traditions). And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ (as the circumciser of Judaism's human traditions that cancel the Ten Commandments purpose to remove sin). Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand (they disobey the Ten Commandments by canceling them with human traditions). But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit (Jesus), and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom (from sin and not from God's Ten Commandments). So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord (in obeying completely the Ten Commandments by removing Judaism's disobedience). And the Lord—who is the Spirit (Jesus)—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image. (2 Corinthians 3:4-18 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Cool What's your translation of Hebrews 4?

Brother, my own translation of Hebrews 4 is the NLT. They did a faithful job translating a message they themselves don't obey. I'm sure all translators are against Sabbath-keeping, which is the message they faithfully translated.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

Brother, according to Paul, in the following passage, Jesus, as the Spirit, only replaces the letters etched in stone, the Ten Commandments, and no other law than the Ten Commandments as the only letters etched in stone. Translators have given the impression that he is referring to more than the Ten Commandments, but that is not Paul's original message.

We are confident of all this because of our great trust in God through Christ. It is not that we think we are qualified to do anything on our own (circumcision by humans). Our qualification comes from God (Jesus does the circumcision by removing human traditions that cancel the Ten Commandments' removal of sin in Judaism). He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant (Jesus as our model). This is a covenant not of the letter (Ten Commandments), but of the Spirit (Jesus). The letter ends in death (sabotaged to not remove sin by human traditions); but the Spirit (Jesus) gives life (Jesus' model of full disobedience of the Ten Commandments). The old way, with letters etched in stone (Ten Commandments), led to death (sabotaged by human traditions not to remove sin), though it began with such glory (leading to righteousness) that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For his face shone with the glory of God (which is His righteousness expressed in the Ten Commandments), even though the brightness was already fading away (disobedience to the Ten Commandments by added human traditions). Shouldn’t we expect far greater glory under the new way (Jesus as the "Spirit" model to image as in a mirror), now that the Holy (added by the translators) Spirit (Jesus) gives life? If the old way, which brings condemnation (Judaism teaching disobedience to the Ten Commandments by canceling them with human traditions), was glorious (leading to righteousness), how much more glorious is the new way, which makes us right with God (removes sin)! In fact, that first glory was not glorious at all compared with the overwhelming glory of the new way. So if the old way, which has been replaced, was glorious (led to righteousness), how much more glorious is the new, which remains forever! Since this new way (of imaging as in a mirror the model "Spirit" of Jesus, rather than Judaism's teachings of disobedience) gives us such confidence, we can be very bold (learning to use God's name properly, which Judaism does not even try). We are not like Moses, who put a veil over his face so the people of Israel would not see the glory (of God's righteousness), even though it was destined to fade away (by Judaism's growing disobedience to the Ten Commandments). But the people’s minds were hardened (to disobey the Ten Commandments), and to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, the same veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth (of their disobedience by canceling God's Commandments with their own human traditions). And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ (as the circumciser of Judaism's human traditions that cancel the Ten Commandments purpose to remove sin). Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand (they disobey the Ten Commandments by canceling them with human traditions). But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. For the Lord is the Spirit (Jesus), and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom (from sin and not from God's Ten Commandments). So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord (in obeying completely the Ten Commandments by removing Judaism's disobedience). And the Lord—who is the Spirit (Jesus)—makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image. (2 Corinthians 3:4-18 NLT fixed and overlaid with commentary)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Well, it looks differently to me

God expected more from the Israelites then keeping just the Ten commandments

Deuteronomy 4:5
Behold, I have taught you statutes and ordinances, even a the Lord my God commanded me, that you should do so in the middle of the land where you go in to possess it

Brother, my own translation of Hebrews 4 is the NLT. They did a faithful job translating a message they themselves don't obey. I'm sure all translators are against Sabbath-keeping, which is the message they faithfully translated.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest,​

...and that time is today.​

Amen, today

GOD ANNOUNCED THIS THROUGH DAVID MUCH LATER in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now IF JOSHUA HAD SUCCEEDED IN GIVING THEM THIS REST, GOD WOULD NOT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT ANOTHER DAY of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Shout for joy to the Lord, all you lands!
Serve the Lord with gladness.
Come before his presence with singing Psalm 100