What if universalism was true?

[Hammster]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

See this.

What if universalism was true?

 

[devin553344]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

Then peeps would probably get molested and beat up in heaven? Is that the point? Michael did have a war with the dragon in revelation: Revelation 12:7 Not sure what that means

 

[Hieronymus]

They would be reborn as saints, so obviously not with the wickedness they had on earth.
They would know where they were wrong on earth too.
They will be very humble as a consequence.

 

[Hammster]

Then peeps would probably get molested and beat up in heaven? Is that the point? Michael did have a war with the dragon in revelation: Revelation 12:7 Not sure what that means

No sin in heaven.

 

[grasping the after wind]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

Fine with me. Whatever God says.

 

[tampasteve]

At that point it would not make much a difference. At least I know that I am trying to live the best life I can here, now. Nothing wrong with being nice, helping others, etc. - living the "Christian" lifestyle.

 

[grasping the after wind]

At that point it would not make much a difference. At least I know that I am trying to live the best life I can here, now. Nothing wrong with being nice, helping others, etc. - living the "Christian" lifestyle.

I agree. If we lived the Christian lifestyle only because we had the idea of getting something, i.e. eternal happiness or something similar, out of it we wouldn't truly be living the Christian lifestyle as the Christian lifestyle is supposed to be based upon two things "Love God" and "Love your neighbor". Don't see "look out for no. 1" in there anywhere.

 

[Acts2:38]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

That would be one chaotic, messed up, and ridiculous world.

 

[RaymondG]

Many would feel that they missed out on "fun" here on earth for nothing. They would feel that wasted time in church that they could have spent elsewhere. They would feel foolish for believing the hype and believing that they would be in better shape than others after death..... These are they who, I suspect, would hear, "I never knew you....."

 

[Southernscotty]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

I would try to bring salvation to my Colt 45 so that I could take it with me.

But truthfully I think we will be amazed when we see people there that we WE think shouldn't be.
1 Cor 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Hieronymus]

That would be one chaotic, messed up, and ridiculous world.

Not the world, Heaven.
All redeemed.

 

[Hammster]

That would be one chaotic, messed up, and ridiculous world.

Why?

 

[Hammster]

Many would feel that they missed out on "fun" here on earth for nothing. They would feel that wasted time in church that they could have spent elsewhere. I would feel foolish for believing the hype and believing that they would be in better shape than others after death..... These are they who, I suspect, would hear, "I never knew you....."

Does the “many” include you? I’m looking for personal responses.

 

[Beloved2018]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

I would be crying tears of joy!

 

[disciple Clint]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

So should we consider that they would have been sanctified prior to being saved? Should we look at it as in the parable of the workers in the vineyard?

 

[RaymondG]

Does the “many” include you? I’m looking for personal responses.

I was part of the many, Now the few. I dont feel more deserving of heaven than anyone else, regardless of my good works or their crimes. We are all saved by grace and not by works, lest any should boost.

If I can go to heaven and point out those who shouldnt be there.....I will have to be the one who leads them where they are suppose to go....and be the first to jump in.....

 

[Hillsage]

It’s not, so please no discussions trying to prove that it is.

But I was wondering what folks would think if they found out it was. In other words, what would think if you found out that everyone goes to heaven, regardless of whether they were believers on Earth. This would mean folks like Hitler, Stalin, bin Laden, rapists, murderers, child molesters, etc, would be there.

I’ve found that most who believe have the same testimony as mine. A more committed life to God than I/they had before. And doing so out of love and not fear of hell. I also find a more genuine love for those that many in the church write off as deserving Hell while ‘they’ don’t. Guys like you just listed above. Luke 13:4

 

[Hammster]

So should we consider that they would have been sanctified prior to being saved? Should we look at it as in the parable of the workers in the vineyard?

Look at it however. They just never repented or believed before they died.

 

[Hammster]

I’ve found that most who believe have the same testimony as mine. A more committed life to God than I/they had before. And doing so out of love and not fear of hell. I also find a more genuine love for those that many in the church write off as deserving Hell while ‘they’ don’t. Guys like you just listed above. Luke 13:4

I’m not sure how that addresses the OP.

 

[section9+1]

A small part of me says that would be nice. Most of me says no. It would fly in the face of everything.