What do we do to prevent another Las Vegas?

[Armoured]

Hmmm and if you remove the skewed examples like LA, NO, and Chicago...what happens to your argument?

Oh, you just get to cut out the inconvenient data points? Cool.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Oh, you just get to cut out the inconvenient data points? Cool.

Those places are some of the places with the STRICTEST gun control, and yet they have some of the HIGHEST rates of homicide.

 

[Armoured]

Most guns have never shot a single person.

Great. Not remotely the point, though.

Most refugees aren't terrorists, yet I seem to remember certain people around here who felt the risk was unacceptable...

 

[dogs4thewin]

Great. Not remotely the point, though.

Most refugees aren't terrorists, yet I seem to remember certain people around here who felt the risk was unacceptable...

Those were PEOPLE not objects that can be used by people for harm.

 

[Armoured]

Those places are some of the places with the STRICTEST gun control, and yet they have some of the HIGHEST rates of homicide.

And?

 

[Armoured]

Those were PEOPLE not objects that can be used by people for harm.

Oh, so that makes the double standard OK? Cool.

 

[Armoured]

I did not deny that, but not all shootings are mass shootings. In fact most of them are not. You and I both know there are MANY ways to commit homicide.

How many ways are there to produce mass casualties?

 

[Aldebaran]

How many ways are there to produce mass casualties?

It's been done with cars and trucks lately. Just ask ISIS--and the families of those killed by them when vehicles were used to run people over.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And?

People blaming GUNS for shootings would be like people blaming cars for driving drunk. In both cases we are talking about a TOOL that does NOTHING in and of itsself unless acted upon.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And?

So it is clear that it is not working if the places that try the hardest to restrict them are the SAME places where they are the supposed largest issue.

 

[dogs4thewin]

How many ways are there to produce mass casualties?

Cars, box cutters, bombs, lethal gas guns are not the only way.

 

[Armoured]

People blaming GUNS for shootings would be like people blaming cars for driving drunk. In both cases we are talking about a TOOL that does NOTHING in and of itsself unless acted upon.

Great. We're not worrying about what the tool does by itself, we're worried about what people do with them. Unless you know of a way to commit a mass shooting without a firearm?

 

[Armoured]

So it is clear that it is not working if the places that try the hardest to restrict them are the SAME places where they are the supposed largest issue.

And why don't they work? Could it be that some of the states with the strictest laws are right next to ones with very lose laws?

 

[Aldebaran]

Great. We're not worrying about what the tool does by itself, we're worried about what people do with them. Unless you know of a way to commit a mass shooting without a firearm?

Are you saying mass casualties are ok as long as they're not being shot?

 

[Armoured]

Cars, box cutters, bombs, lethal gas guns are not the only way.

Ever made an explosive? How about a lethal gas?

 

[Aldebaran]

And why don't they work? Could it be that some of the states with the strictest laws are right next to ones with very lose laws?

Sounds like an admission that laws that PROHIBIT something (remember Prohibition?) only creates a black market.

 

[Armoured]

Are you saying mass casualties are ok as long as they're not being shot?

No.

 

[dogs4thewin]

And why don't they work? Could it be that some of the states with the strictest laws are right next to ones with very lose laws?

We are talking about cites. Just because a STATE has lose gun laws in SOME states cities are permitted to have stricter gun laws.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Sounds like an admission that laws that PROHIBIT something (remember Prohibition?) only creates a black market.

Which by the way lasted LESS than a score for JUST that reason.

 

[Armoured]

Sounds like an admission that laws that PROHIBIT something (remember Prohibition?) only creates a black market.

That must be why every developed country has comparable rates of gun violence. Oh wait, no they don't.