What do we do to prevent another Las Vegas?

[Armoured]

because the second amendment just because someone has it does not mean they mean harm. I know people have SEVERAL guns who have never shot and killed anyone in their lives and at least one of them is pushing three score ( 60 years old.)

No one's saying everyone with gun is going to kill people. That's not the point of the discussion.

 

[Armoured]

another "option" if someone REALLY wanted to kill many people would be lethal gas in a very public place.

Guns are much easier to obtain and deploy than an effective chemical weapon. We're not talking about what someone MIGHT do, the issue is what people WILL do, what's EASY for them to do. About REASONABLE threat assessments.

Further, if you're so gung ho bout the second amendment, why isn't chemical weapon equally protected?

 

[dogs4thewin]

You can't solve violence by more restrictions - That causes more hate.

thank you violence does nothing but beget violence.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Not the least being the Evangelical Community who wants to ensure we maintain gun rights. I am reminded of Jesus words:

"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."



Yes. Sin was the primary motive for everything in the 60's Peace Movement. They were against the US government indiscriminately killing people in a war that was unwinnable for a cause that few actually believed in near the end. That's probably their greatest sin...wanting peace.

And don't forget this horrific sin:

Jesus also said to buy a sword when He sent His followers out. There is a difference in LIVING by the sword and using it for protection or even to deter people.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Hi, I don't own a gun but I always thought that I could just go out and buy a gun? I could be wrong.

If one has sought treatment for or has been admitted to a mental hospital then most states and the federal government say they may not legally purchase a gun. Now, of course this assumes that the person's illness is documented which is where better mental healthcare could come into play.

 

[Neostarwcc]

If one has sought treatment for or has been admitted to a mental hospital then most states and the federal government say they may not legally purchase a gun. Now of course this assumes that the person's illness is documented which is where better mental healthcare could come into play.

Oh, I didn't know that. I've been hospitalized for my mental illness before. So I didn't know I wasn't allowed to purchase a gun.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You could make similar arguments about things like speeding. The fact that people speed does not mean we should remove speed limits. Regulations do not always stop people from doing things, but they do mean that we can slap extra penalties on people who fail to follow them.

TORAH ! Just like TORAH - just because people break TORAH every day does not mean we should ignore TORAH. TORAH does not always stop people from doing things, but it does mean YHWH can slap extra penalties on people who fail to keep TORAH.

Not an exact fit perhaps, but it works for now !

HEY! Notice that IF people kept TORAH, there would be no mass shootings, nor deaths caused on purpose by man upon man. (by guns, drugs, knives, or anything)
Instead, (almost impossible to imagine this today in the world),
there would be PEACE !

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Oh, I didn't know that. I've been hospitalized for my mental illness before. So I didn't know I wasn't allowed to purchase a gun.

In some states you can probably purchase and own a black powder firearm, or a cross bow, if you like.

 

[dogs4thewin]

No one's saying everyone with gun is going to kill people. That's not the point of the discussion.

I know, but I was saying that owning a gun does not mean someone intends to use it, nor will a gun shoot itself SOME people seem to think that gun control really works, yet MOST mass shootings have proven otherwise.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Guns are much easier to obtain and deploy than an effective chemical weapon. We're not talking about what someone MIGHT do, the issue is what people WILL do, what's EASY for them to do. About REASONABLE threat assessments.

Further, if you're so gung ho bout the second amendment, why isn't chemical weapon equally protected?

Maybe because at the time they were not an issue or because people have not been using them yet.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Let me asks you all this. If you were a criminal which place would you be more likely to break in somewhere where you KNEW there was a good chance of other people having guns OR some place that you knew it was very UNLIKELY due to strict laws?

 

[LoAmmi]

Let me asks you all this. If you were a criminal which place would you be more likely to break in somewhere where you KNEW there was a good chance of other people having guns OR some place that you knew it was very UNLIKELY due to strict laws?

The place where nobody was home.

 

[Obliquinaut]

Jesus also said to buy a sword when He sent His followers out. There is a difference in LIVING by the sword and using it for protection or even to deter people.

And Americans "live" by the sword. We have the highest rate of gun ownership in the developed world. Almost 1 gun for every single American (including infants).

And we also have among the highest rate of gun deaths per capita of any developed nation on earth.

But I'm sure Jesus wanted us to have MORE GUNS.

 

[super animator]

Only if enforceable. There should never be gun free zones where you don't have control of the borders. Let me use some examples:

A government building: Yes! Armed security is common here and entry points are controlled.

A city: No! You don't control the borders, there is no one preventing entry and no screening of those entering.

A country: Yes! You can control your borders and screen those entering.

A state: No! There are no mandatory and universal stops at state borders, nor state border security.

A college campus: Maybe! If you can strictly control access and have armed security, than sure. If you lack control of the area though, no.

A college building: Yes! You can easily control and screen people entering.

Basically the goal is to never have it so that a criminal can bring in a gun (at least without considerable effort and risk of being caught) into an area where law abiding citizens are disarmed.

I guess hotels need to install metal detectors like the airport now.

 

[Armoured]

Maybe because at the time they were not an issue or because people have not been using them yet.

Huh?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Actually, there are laws forbidding several groups of people from having LEGAL access to guns (including the mentally ill, by the way. ( assuming of course that it is known and documented).

But don't these people (like the mentally ill) have a constitutional right to protect themselves?

 

[Obliquinaut]

But don't these people (like the mentally ill) have a constitutional right to protect themselves?

Not just that but remember how the gun owners SCREAM about them possibly being put on a list so the government knows how many guns they own? Apparently it's not a problem that people who have sought mental healthcare can be put on a list.

We know who is the most valuable in our society: guns. Guns are more important than people.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

another "option" if someone REALLY wanted to kill many people would be lethal gas in a very public place.

That's already been done in Japan back in the mid 90s, a dozen or so people died and about 5,000 or so were exposed to it. All of the survivors are probably having health issues that will plague them until the day they die, Sarin is nasty stuff...

 

[Armoured]

Opinion | Repeal the Second Amendment

 

[lasthero]

The place where nobody was home.

Yeah, this. Most burglaries don't actually occur at night - they happen during the day, when people aren't home. Most burglars want to avoid physical conflict, if at all possible.