What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[BABerean2]

There you go again...why are you posting all of this when we have not even discussed it?

Because it gives you the opportunity to discuss it.

You are correct about the New Covenant being a higher standard of conduct.

Therefore, the two covenants cannot be one and the same.
Nice work!

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[BNR32FAN]

I'm revisiting this post for the second sentence. What commandments are you saying everyone says we can disregard? If it's the famous 10, what don't you understand about the covenant has changed, more like totally replaced?

I’m not certain anything has changed as far as our obedience to God’s commandments I think Jesus just explained to us that we are to observe the purpose for which the laws were written not the letter of the law. I’m not certain that man was ever intended to keep the letter of the law but instead was to understand its purpose.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Because it gives you the opportunity to discuss it.

You are correct about the New Covenant being a higher standard of conduct.

Therefore, the two covenants cannot be one and the same.
Nice work!

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It is not different in that respect, it is expanded. It is still the base. I really think you need to read Jeremiah 31-33 with open eyes. Compare that to Matthew 5:17-18 . Of course things have changed, I have never said differently. I mean there is no Temple so of course those laws can not be fulfilled as many others can't be. Here is a video for you

 

[ace of hearts]

You asked a question. I answered it. It proved you wrong. Now you don't like the answer. SMH

I don't think so. You claimed quotes. compare the passages. They aren't the same. You seem to be doing three things here which are violations of the rules you said you would go by.

 

[ace of hearts]

It is not different in that respect, it is expanded. It is still the base. I really think you need to read Jeremiah 31-33 with open eyes. Of course things have changed, I have never said differently. I mean there is no Temple so of course those laws can not be fulfilled as many others can't be.

You're free to tell us what BABerean2 missed.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You're free to tell us what BABerean2 missed.

you are free to tell us how it has been mis-interpreted or whatever you claimed previously

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don't think so. You claimed quotes. compare the passages. They aren't the same. You seem to be doing three things here which are violations of the rules you said you would go by.

Not at all! You just disagree with the truth before you so you claim their meanings are not the same, which at their root are...

 

[ace of hearts]

you are free to tell us how it has been mis-interpreted or whatever you claimed perviously

I don't think BABerean2 miss interpreted anything. You're the one with the objection.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not at all! You just disagree with the truth before you so you claim their meanings are not the same, which at their root are...

Sorry but I never said nor implied such. You said quotes, not me. I asked you about the context and even commented on it. Your claim is Jesus is promoting the law when in conversation Jesus said something similar. You're reaching for anything to prove there's only one covenant contrary to Jeremiah and only coming up empty.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I don't think BABerean2 miss interpreted anything. You're the one with the objection.

YOU were the one that said it originally so stop trying to switch it to myself and BABerean2.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sorry but I never said nor implied such. You said quotes, not me. I asked you about the context and even commented on it. Your claim is Jesus is promoting the law when in conversation Jesus said something similar. You're reaching for anything to prove there's only one covenant contrary to Jeremiah and only coming up empty.

Absolutely you did AND you are still doing it...they are the same context...from the law. You are blind and I am not going to waste any more time on your posts...all you want to do is argue.

 

[ace of hearts]

YOU were the one that said it originally so stop trying to switch it to myself and BABerean2.

I asked you what BABerean2 missed. It doesn't matter if I said the same thing because I agree with BABerean2. So if you want to say I said it first what did I miss?

 

[ace of hearts]

Absolutely you did AND you are still doing it...they are the same context...from the law. You are blind and I am not going to waste any more time on your posts...all you want to do is argue.

Claim anything you like. A claim doesn't make something true.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I asked you what BABerean2 missed. It doesn't matter if I said the same thing because I agree with BABerean2. So if you want to say I said it first what did I miss?

You didn't say the same thing. I said the same thing to you both. You said Jeremiah 31 was misinterpreted so I keep asking YOU what was misinterpreted and you keep deflecting!

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Claim anything you like. A claim doesn't make something true.

You asked me to post NT and I did. It is simple for anyone who can read and understand the same context...except you...you just need to argue

 

[ace of hearts]

You didn't say the same thing. I said the same thing to you both. You said Jeremiah 31 was misinterpreted so I keep asking YOU what was misinterpreted and you keep deflecting!

If you want to tell us what Jeremiah 31 means so we can both be on the same page, please do.

 

[ace of hearts]

You asked me to post NT and I did. It is simple for anyone who can read and understand the same context...except you...you just need to argue

Your claim is what you posted are really the OT passages by quote. I showed they aren't and talked about context which you refuse to acknowledge.

 

[BABerean2]

It is not different in that respect, it is expanded. It is still the base. I really think you need to read Jeremiah 31-33 with open eyes. Compare that to Matthew 5:17-18 . Of course things have changed, I have never said differently. I mean there is no Temple so of course those laws can not be fulfilled as many others can't be. Here is a video for you

Dr. Michael Brown's church "Fire Church" is less than 30 miles from my home.
The young lady who did our taxes during the last couple of years was a member of that church.

I agree with almost all of what Dr. Brown said in this video.
He said Christ is the fulfillment of the law, and of the Sabbath, which is what Paul said in Colossians 2:16-17.

I also agree with what he said about Ishtar.

Thanks for the great video from Dr. Brown.

How do you deal with the verses below?

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

How do you deal with the verses below?

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,


Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

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Glad you liked the video! Those verses to me are about a relationship with God and now an even closer relationship with Him, through Yeshua.

See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? At that time his voice shook the earth, but now he has promised, “Once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens. The words “once more” indicate the removing of what can be shaken—that is, created things—so that what cannot be shaken may remain.

Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our “God is a consuming fire"

 

[mkgal1]

This was directed towards Yeshua HaDerekh:

You're reaching for anything to prove there's only one covenant contrary to Jeremiah and only coming up empty.

.....and I'd like to try to clarify some of these arguments.

From what I'm understanding - the argument is NOT that there is only one covenant....correct? I'd just like to try to clear up some of these presumptions.