We're in the end of days

[BABerean2]

Well, when I want to read the 'gospel according to ebedmelech' I will let you know.

Ebed it attempting to show you that Dispensational Futurism, which has saturated the evangelical Church in America, is not scriptural.

Sometimes the truth is painful.

If you will take a look at the links below, you will see the painful truth.


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Genesis of Dispensational Theology (on YouTube)

Left Behind or Led Astray?
http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/

 

[zippy2]

Ebed it attempting to show you that Dispensational Futurism, which has saturated the evangelical Church in America, is not scriptural.

Sometimes the truth is painful.

If you will take a look at the links below, you will see the painful truth.


Origin of the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/pretrib_history.pdf

Grant Jeffrey’s revision of early Church Posttrib viewpoints
http://www.answersinrevelation.org/Jeffrey.pdf

PROPHETIC DEVELOPMENTS
with particular reference to the early Brethren Movement.
F. Roy Coad (Brethren Historian) read pages 10-26
http://brethrenhistory.org/qwicsitePro/php/docsview.php?docid=418

Genesis of Dispensational Theology (on YouTube)

Left Behind or Led Astray?
http://www.leftbehindorledastray.com/

I am PostTrib. So he is wasting his time.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Jipsah]

Classic scoffing!

You betcha. DF doctrine deserves nothing else. But the implication that those who know Dispensational Futurism to be the fraud that is are akin to St. Peter's scoffers who say "where is the promise of His coming?" is at best dishonest. I, with all Anglicans, confess that "Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again." It's even in my sig line, for crying out loud!

 

[zippy2]

I do Not Believe In The PreTrib Rapture Of The Church.

Is that clear enough? Did you see the 'do not' part? Sheesh.

 

[parousia70]

Sure thing dude. You go right on believing the Jews of the Holocaust were not Jews at all.

And you think MY paradigm is wacked?

Oh they were Jews alright, Talmudic Jews and not Mosaic Jews.
You do realize there is a difference don't you?

They follow the post christian religion of the Talmud.
They do not follow Moses nor Old testament Judaism in any way.
They also have no verifiable genetic link to the pre desolation Hebrew peoples.

I realize it disturbs you greatly to be confronted with this, but Them's just the facts.

 

[parousia70]

The Jewish people are very careful to maintain their identity, thru the matrilineal line.

Not careful enough, for not a single one can demonstrate a genetic link to ANY pre desolation Hebrew person. Not even one.

They have done what God required of them,

No, they quite plainly have not.
1) God REQUIRED they follow their Messiah or be cut off from among the people forever.

2) No Jew since AD70 has followed God's REQUIREMENTS set forth in the Law of Moses, the Old Covenant. Not a single one.

They call themselves Israelis, they speak Hebrew, they [not all] observe Jewish worship and customs.

Again, not a single one "observes" the Law of Moses, which is BIBLICAL JUDAISM. Not a single one.

Besides, there are plenty of Muslim Arabs who are Israelis, so if that's your criteria for "Jewishness" you have a far greater hurdle to leap than I thought.

 

[keras]

Facts in your face are true, however you want to look at them.
The Jews are now in possession of a part of the Holy Land. This is fulfilment of Bible prophecy, pure and simple.
OK, they haven't acknowledged their Maker or done all He wanted. Their biggest mistake was to give away the Temple Mount. Many prophesies tell of their forthcoming judgement and punishment, only a remnant will survive.

We Christians also have no verifiable link to Jacob, but Isaiah 51:1-2 says: All who seek the Lord and follow after righteousness are His people. Confirmed in the NT. Romans 9:6-7
So the Holy Land is our heritage, we will live there peace and prosperity. Eventually it is true Christians who will say to the Returning Jesus: Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord.

 

[Chicken Little]

I too have always believed the Temple in Jerusalem has to be rebuilt before the AofD and the Day of the Lord.

However, have you ever thought that the AofD is already 'standing in the Holy Place'?

The Dome of the Rock is standing over the exact spot of the Holy of Holies. Mohammad followers claim Allah is God.
They are chopping off Christian and Jewish heads. Have we been wrong about the Temple? Just wonderin....your thoughts?

I think Ezekiel temple comes in Rev 10 ( read chapters from the 7th trumpet on and past for one thought) , after the 7th trumpet ( "dead rise first" , the sea is about the past and the dead ) left foot on the land. I don't know if it lands in Israel and I had thought that a long time ago . but In Enoch says the father( 'ancient of days" or "father of spirits " I think ) comes and he lands in the very south or maybe we have some kind of shift putting Israel in the south. so I think it the Father inside Ezekiel's temple. and they set down someplace to the south of where we think it should be.

Rev 10:7

But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[parousia70]

The Jews are now in possession of a part of the Holy Land. This is fulfilment of Bible prophecy, pure and simple.

Ok, then show us the Chapter and Verse that prophesies how 20th-21st century Christ Rejecting people of multiple varied ethnic backgrounds, some of whom practice the post Christian, non-Biblical religion of Talmudic Judaism, who likewise have no religious connection to Moses, and no genetic connection to Abraham, would ever possess all or even "part" of the Holy land. Because that's who's possessing it now.

Their biggest mistake was to give away the Temple Mount.

Well, if it's the fulfillment of prophesy, How could the fulfillment of prophesy be a "mistake" exactly?

 

[ebedmelech]

Well, when I want to read the 'gospel according to ebedmelech' I will let you know.

It's not about "the gospel according to ebedmelech". Ebedmelech didn't write Romans 9:6-8...the apostle Paul wrote it by the Holy Spirit:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

The apostle Paul also wrote Galatians 3:15-18:
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.

Christ is THE SEED so true descendants are not "about the flesh", it's about THE SPIRIT.

So once again...it's not about fleshly Israel, nor is it about a strip of land...it's about JESUS CHRIST who declared the NEW COVENANT!

Work with that...

 

[zippy2]

It's not about "the gospel according to ebedmelech". Ebedmelech didn't write Romans 9:6-8...the apostle Paul wrote it by the Holy Spirit:
6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants, but: “through Isaac your descendants will be named.”
8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as descendants.

The apostle Paul also wrote Galatians 3:15-18:
15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations: even though it is only a man’s covenant, yet when it has been ratified, no one sets it aside or adds conditions to it.
16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, “And to seeds,” as referring to many, but rather to one, “And to your seed,” that is, Christ.

Christ is THE SEED so true descendants are not "about the flesh", it's about THE SPIRIT.

So once again...it's not about fleshly Israel, nor is it about a strip of land...it's about JESUS CHRIST who declared the NEW COVENANT!

Work with that...

So if you are one of the sealed 144,000 of which tribe do you come? It said this at the end of your post.

 

[keras]

Ok, then show us the Chapter and Verse that prophesies how 20th-21st century Christ Rejecting people of multiple varied ethnic backgrounds, some of whom practice the post Christian, non-Biblical religion of Talmudic Judaism, who likewise have no religious connection to Moses, and no genetic connection to Abraham, would ever possess all or even "part" of the Holy land. Because that's who's possessing it now.

I agree with your description of the current inhabitants of the State of Israel, excepting that at least some are true descendants of Jacob, as there are still scattered around the world. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9
Ezekiel 21:1-7 describes their fate. A Holy seed will survive. Isaiah 6:13, Zechariah 13:9

Well, if it's the fulfillment of prophesy, How could the fulfillment of prophesy be a "mistake" exactly?

Giving away the Temple Mount wasn't prophesied, specifically, but it proves the Jewish lack of cognizance to the Lord.

 

[BABerean2]

Giving away the Temple Mount wasn't prophesied, specifically, but it proves the Jewish lack of cognizance to the Lord

What most today call "The Temple Mount" is the remains of Roman Fort Antonia, which was build beside of the Jewish temple.
The fort was built around a pinnacle of Rock at the site.
The wall considered "The Wailing Wall" was built after Herod's temple, based on the date of a Roman coin found underground at the base of the wall.

Just as Jesus said in Matthew chapter 24, not one stone of the temple was left standing.
Therefore this wall cannot be part of the temple, based on the words of Christ.

Based on excavations in the ancient underground sewer systems, the temple was just south of the Roman fort and the two were connected together by a bridge during the time of Christ.

Jesus may have stood upon the pinnacle of rock within the Roman fort, when He was judged by Pilot.
The Dome of the Rock Mosque is built on top of this pinnacle. The moslems claim that Mohammed's horse leapt from this rock and went into heaven.

Roman Fort Antonia
http://www.askelm.com/temple/t980504.htm

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[keras]

BaB, as one who has been up onto the Temple Mount. I can attest to the spiritual significance of that area.
The exact location of the 1st and 2nd Temples isn't known for sure, but I don't buy your speculations.

The Lord will reveal to His people, when they are all settled into the Holy Land all they need to know. The enemies and the Dome of the Rock will be gone. The title deed proof of their ownership of the Land will be found. Jeremiah 32:14-15

 

[Psalm3704]

The deliverer has already come out of Zion.

Paul had already explained that only a remnant would be saved.

Scoffers indeed.

Romans 11:26​

New International Version
and in this way all Israel will be saved. As it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.

New Living Translation
And so all Israel will be saved. As the Scriptures say, "The one who rescues will come from Jerusalem, and he will turn Israel away from ungodliness.

English Standard Version
And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;

New American Standard Bible
and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written, "THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION, HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."

King James Bible
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Holman Christian Standard Bible
And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written: The Liberator will come from Zion; He will turn away godlessness from Jacob.

International Standard Version


NET Bible
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion; he will remove ungodliness from Jacob.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And then all Israel shall have life, according to what is written: “The Savior shall come from Zion and he shall turn away evil from Jacob,

GOD'S WORD® Translation
In this way Israel as a whole will be saved, as Scripture says, "The Savior will come from Zion. He will remove godlessness from Jacob.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And even if all Israel were saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall take away the ungodliness from Jacob;

King James 2000 Bible
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

American King James Version
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

American Standard Version
and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Douay-Rheims Bible
And so all Israel should be saved, as it is written: There shall come out of Sion, he that shall deliver, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Darby Bible Translation
and so all Israel shall be saved. According as it is written, The deliverer shall come out of Zion; he shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

English Revised Version
and so all Israel shall be saved: even as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer; He shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Webster's Bible Translation
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Weymouth New Testament
and so all Israel will be saved. As is declared in Scripture, "From Mount Zion a Deliverer will come: He will remove all ungodliness from Jacob;

World English Bible
and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Young's Literal Translation
and so all Israel shall be saved, according as it hath been written, 'There shall come forth out of Sion he who is delivering, and he shall turn away impiety from Jacob,

http://biblehub.com/romans/11-26.htm



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Isaiah 59:20​

New International Version
"The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins," declares the LORD.

New Living Translation
"The Redeemer will come to Jerusalem to buy back those in Israel who have turned from their sins," says the LORD.

English Standard Version
“And a Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who turn from transgression,” declares the LORD.

New American Standard Bible
"A Redeemer will come to Zion, And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob," declares the LORD.

King James Bible
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those in Jacob who turn from transgression." This is the LORD's declaration."

International Standard Version
"And a Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who turn from transgression," says the LORD.

NET Bible
"A protector comes to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their rebellious deeds," says the LORD.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
"Then a Savior will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who turn from rebellion," declares the LORD.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion and unto those that turn from the rebellion in Jacob, said the LORD.

King James 2000 Bible
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, says the LORD.

American King James Version
And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and to them that turn from transgression in Jacob, said the LORD.

American Standard Version
And a Redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith Jehovah.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there shall come a redeemer to Sion, and to them that return from iniquity in Jacob, saith the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
And the Redeemer will come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith Jehovah.

English Revised Version
And a redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

Webster's Bible Translation
And the Redeemer will come to Zion, and to them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

World English Bible
"A Redeemer will come to Zion, and to those who turn from disobedience in Jacob," says Yahweh.

Young's Literal Translation
And come to Zion hath a redeemer, Even to captives of transgression in Jacob, An affirmation of Jehovah.

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/59-20.htm

 

[BABerean2]

BaB, as one who has been up onto the Temple Mount. I can attest to the spiritual significance of that area.
The exact location of the 1st and 2nd Temples isn't known for sure, but I don't buy your speculations.

It is not my speculation, in that it did not come from me.

It is the opinion of Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron, who is the one who found the Roman coin at the base of "The Wailing Wall". He is the guy who rediscovered "the Pool of Siloam" a few years ago and became very well known for his discovery. So this guy is not just another flake, making an unfounded claim.
It is based on evidence collected by moving and sifting thousands of pounds of dirt under the surface of the city of Jerusalem near the area now called "The Temple Mount".
Therefore, it is not speculation from him either.

If you find a coin dated 1920 underneath the foundation of your house, then that house could not have been built before 1920.
Archeology bases it's findings on science and logic, instead of one's spiritual feelings.

Eli and his excavation team discovered animal bones and "bulla", which are clay seals that were used to seal scrolls, in an underground area that they believe was the basement of Solomon's temple.

The underground sewer system was a vital part of the temple sacrifices, in that it was used to carry away the large volumes of blood and water needed to clean up the mess after the sacrifices.
The only live water source in the area is Gihon Spring which is also located at the same site.

All of this agrees with the writings of Josephus, who describes Roman Fort Antonia built adjacent to the Jewish temple and connected to it by a bridge.

A great deal of this documentation is found in a book recently published under the title of "Temple" by Robert Cornuke, who went to Jerusalem and interviewed Eli Shukron. He was also taken underground to the site now believed to have been the basement of Solomon's temple.

The only problem with these discoveries is that it goes against modern "tradition".

Traditions die hard, even when they are false.

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[zippy2]

Indeed.
And He will return to Zion.

 

[parousia70]

I agree with your description of the current inhabitants of the State of Israel, excepting that at least some are true descendants of Jacob,

Speculation and assumption. Factually, they are no more descendants of Jacob than you or I are.

Ironically, the Palestinian Christian Children that the Christ Rejecting Secular Israelis have been displacing, imprisoning & killing are the ACTUAL Seed of Abraham in God's eyes.

Giving away the Temple Mount wasn't prophesied, specifically, but it proves the Jewish lack of cognizance to the Lord.

Nothing about Modern Secular Democratic Israel is prophetic. Nothing.

 

[zippy2]

Speculation and assumption. Factually, they are no more descendants of Jacob than you or I are.



Nothing about Modern Secular Democratic Israel is prophetic. Nothing.

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[parousia70]

Address the content of the Post, if you can. Calling me names ought be beneath you.