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Featured Was Solomon Saved?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Bible Highlighter, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. David7818

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    What is wrong with the youth going after lustful desires? I believe I am saved. After becoming Christian and becoming solid in faith and saved and doing a lot of work I was instructed to worship other Gods. I did and had fun, but I kept thinking about Christians judging people and this had me angry because I wasn't bugging them. Anyway I attacked in words as Satan would fellow Christians. I repent and feel bad for that happening. Hell is no good, and Satan sewing seeds of discord doesn't help much either. Eternal damnation isn't good, fun is, and hell is eternally bad damnation. To be saved is goood, and not to judge is good. To have a balance is key as no one is perfect and there is no one way to go about things. I have much wisdom and am a fighter, I just hope I'm saved, hell isn't good but I think of it as awesome, the Devil's domain.
     
  2. David7818

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    Children only suffer for our sins if they follow after them. It could be cute, it could be ugly.
     
  3. David7818

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    Anyway everyone learns at their own pace and with instruction. My grandfather raised me extremely well. He did a great well balanced job and was a great awesome grandfather. My grandmother did her part as well and I respect them.
     
  4. David7818

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    Thou shall not kill is a good commandment. It's wrong to kill and make people slaves.
     
  5. David7818

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    They say God made people slaves but I believe it was the yeast of the Pharisees and saducees as Jesus said. I believe he was right, it makes a person 100 times worse to a thousand times worse wanting to kill children and babies and the youth and probably all younger for their utopia and it is wrong. The youth are the future and just because someone is a kid doesn't matter; he or she can grow up and do many things in life as an adult and maybe even as a kid or just be a well balanced kid and kids are like a little you, your kid is a small version of yourself with their very own characteristics. I think Jesus should be against this and they should repent.
     
  6. David7818

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    Master JC is a good master. So is God and his sons. The sons of Christ are as well.
     
  7. Apologetic_Warrior

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    While dispensationalism and an Arminian understanding of salvation might cause a person to question the salvation of the Old Testament Saints, Reformed Covenant theology leaves no doubt, the Saints of the Old Testament are saved, chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world. Saints such as King Solomon are a stumbling block to those influenced in the ways of Wesleyan teachings on holiness and entrenched in external legalism guised as internal sanctification.
     
  8. David7818

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    So wisdom is good but doesn't save? Then it would be a reflection of you that saves or is a stumbling block.
     
  9. David7818

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    Wisdom is power.
     
  10. David7818

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    so is knowledge and having your time and doing things your way. Yes, God is good too. He could help his son and family out. He's a good man that has his work and priorities. His son helped him accomplish many great things. This speaks volumes for the youth and God shouldn't be against them.
     
  11. David7818

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    You should just live your life and have fun and pleasure.
     
  12. dreadnought

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    Well, if the reason they spend eternity in hell is because they didn't know the name of Jesus, and if the reason they didn't know they name of Jesus was because he didn't exist yet, then I'd say the fault didn't lie with them.
     
  13. dreadnought

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    I know hell is not eternal (it is eternal, but we don't get sent there eternally unless we refuse to repent of our sin eternally, I believe), and you know hell isn't eternal. Try telling that to someone else.
     
  14. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Got Questions website does not believe in Replacement Theology and they are unsure of Solomon's status with God. They actually do not think we should use the terms saved in relation to the OT saints. This of course is wrong to say this. OT saints went to Paradise or Abraham's bosom.

    I have heard others say he was not saved like Dan Corner, etc.
     
  15. timewerx

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    I think when Solomon allegedly wrote Proverbs, he is unsaved then. That was the time he indulged in his worldly wealth and committed grievous sins with his unGodly wives.

    And likely to be saved when he allegedly wrote Ecclesiastes. That's the time he realized that worldly wealth is meaningless.

    Jesus said the same thing in the Gospel.

    It's ironic when Christians pay little attention at Ecclesiastes when it could reflect Solomon's renewed perspective of things after he repented of his sins. They are only agreeable with Solomon in Proverbs in his worldly perspective *before* he repented.
     
  16. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Solomon is not an example of how we can live as we please. Solomon is an example of how not to live. However, he is also an example of God's grace, as well. For Solomon went prodigal .... [​IMG]
    ...but he came back. The verses I posted in the OP prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Solomon was saved in the end.

    Again, do not misunderstand me. I do not believe in Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved gospel or belief. I argue heavily against those kinds of beliefs. For we have to live holy if we are going to make it (Hebrews 12:14). But we also are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace. Solomon is proof of that. So we should look at Solomon's life as an example of how not to live, but we should also realize that God's mercy and grace is what truly saves us in the end.

    I believe the following verse sums up Solomon's end.

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  17. Ronald

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    I said that off the cuff, it was jab at them because I know they are out there. I don't know what everyone believes.
     
  18. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Well, I believe there is a real hell, but the wicked are not screaming in pain of being engulfed in fire. How do we know? The rich man was not screaming. The rich man was being tormented by the heart of the flame around him or in the Lake of Fire between the great gulf fixed between him and Abraham. Either that or he was in some kind of strange other worldly fire that did not really hurt him enough to make him scream out in pain. For the rich man was not screaming in pain like a normal person would be screaming if they were engulfed in flames. For if a real human being was lowered down into a camp fire, chances are that they would be screaming like crazy.

    As for the Lake of Fire:
    Well, God is into fair justice. How do we know?

    47 "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
    48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."
    (Luke 12:47-48).

    So this means that God will not torture people way beyond what the crime calls for. They will eventually be destroyed in the Lake of Fire after they pay the price for their sins.

    In addition, the word "forever" (and it's related words) does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can be talking about "forever" here on this Earth (as long as someone lives) or in having a sense of "completeness" or "totality" for a specific thing). For what do you make of the following verses below that say that "forever" (or it's related words) is not forever?

    • In Genesis 13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.

    • The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Exodus 12:24; Exodus 27:21; Exodus 28:43).

    • Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 1:7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezekiel 16:53-55).

    • Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jeremiah 30:12) until -- the Lord "will restore health" and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

    • The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Micah 1:9) until -- Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ezekiel 16:53).

    • Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no more" (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27 until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jeremiah 49:6).

    • An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation "forever" until -- the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3):

    • Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were "everlasting" until -- they "were shattered" Habakkuk 3:6).

    • The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting" priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is-until-it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

    • Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings 8:13), until -- the Temple was destroyed.

    • The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16)-until -- Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for the people of God (Hebrews 4:8-9).

    • The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant" (Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians 3:11-13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

    • The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a "perpetual" until -- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins.
    Hell. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

    • God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6-10; Jonah 1:17); Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jeremiah 25:27) until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of Egypt" (Ezekiel 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam" (Jeremiah 49:39).

    • "Moab is destroyed" (Jeremiah 48:4, Jeremiah 48:42) until--the Lord "will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jeremiah 48:47).

    • Israel's judgment lasts "forever" until -- the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

    • The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bond slave was to serve his master "forever" (Exodus 21:6), until -- his death.

    • “Eternal” (Greek aionia, αιονια) is sometimes used of a limited (not endless) period of time. But the most common use is illustrated in 2 Corinthians 4:18 where it is contrasted with “temporal” and in Philemon 1:15 where it is contrasted with “for a while.”​


    Here is the source for list above for the Scriptural examples used on the word "forever":
    http://www.apttoteach.org/attjom/index.php
     
  19. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I understand. I started the thread because I think there is important truths that can be learned by realizing that Solomon is saved.

    Anyways, may God bless you today.
     
  20. Ronald

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    I received a little different message from Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. Wisdom. God asked Solomon what he wanted. He said he wanted wisdom to rule his people. In order to gain wisdom, he had to go through ALL life's experiences in all areas to the fullest. At the end if his journey, he realized everything under the sun is vanity of vanities and chasing after the wind WITHOUT GOD. We learn that many paths are futile and the only one is to follow Him. That was some bucket list though.
     
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