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2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. NKJV
Above is Paul writing to Timothy instructing him in doctrine to teach the church. Note verses 1-13 where Paul states a faithful saying the Church is to be taught. Verse 11 “if we died with with Him, we shall also live with Him. Romans 8: 9-10 when we confess Jesus as our Lord and savior we are dead by God's decree. But Paul wrote “If” we died with Him. This makes our death in Jesus conditional. What is it conditional on? Verse 12 (a) if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. Paul wrote “if” we endure we will reign with Him. What do have to endure to reign with Jesus?
There are many places in the new testament where God tells us things that we will endure while in Jesus. In Hebrews 12: 7-8 if we endure chastening of God, He is treating us as sons. In Mark 4: 13-20 the parable of the sower there are 3 soils that receive the word of God.
In verse Matthew 13:20 an Mk4: 6 the stony ground receives the word with gladness, but they only endure for a time. (I was taught as a Baptist that only one soil received Jesus. The Baptist change the word of God to fit their doctrine. That is a very dangerous practice.) The stony soil stumbles after tribulation, persecution or temptations arise. Luke 8: 13 states the stony soil believes for a while, meaning they were saved for a while, but they fall away under temptation. All three agree that the stony soil endures for a time then falls away.
Matthew and Mark state that the thorny soil becomes unfruitful. (John 15:5 without Jesus the branch can do nothing, cannot produce fruit. That means if the soil has produced fruit or is even capable of producing fruit they have to be a branch on Jesus.) Luke states that the thorny ground does not bring any fruit to maturity. All three gospels agree that the thorny soil is capable of producing fruit. In all 3 gospels the stony soil does not endure due to cares of the world.
The thorny and stony soils both had reason to deny Jesus. The stony soil had cause to deny Jesus under persecution, because of being in Christ, they deny Christ in the to end the persecution. If the thorny soil put their hope for worldly pleasures over what Jesus' offers they to have denied Christ. Both types of soil did not endure.
Does this mean that we have to do work to be saved? No! 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand and He will take care of us. We will not suffer anything if we keep our mouth shut. Opening the mouth to deny Christ, is work, keeping it shut is not. You have to do work to deny Jesus. Christ knows your if your heart still loves what He offers. He will take you out of the situation if your heart desires Him over Satan. 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure, Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand, in Christ, and He will take care of us.
We can choose to do work to bring glory to Jesus. If we choose to do work it is to walk in the Spirit and produce more fruit.
Both Jesus' parable of the soils and 2Timothy 2: 10-13 clearly defines a path for Christians to be saved or to deny Christ and have Him deny them. Christians can lose salvation by Jesus' words in the parable of the sower. That supports Paul's scriptures in 2Timothy 2: 10-13. Let's hear from the word wizards how they magically change God's word to fit their doctrine.
11 This is a faithful saying: For if we died with Him, We shall also live with Him. 12 If we endure, We shall also reign with Him. If we deny Him, He also will deny us. 13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. NKJV
Above is Paul writing to Timothy instructing him in doctrine to teach the church. Note verses 1-13 where Paul states a faithful saying the Church is to be taught. Verse 11 “if we died with with Him, we shall also live with Him. Romans 8: 9-10 when we confess Jesus as our Lord and savior we are dead by God's decree. But Paul wrote “If” we died with Him. This makes our death in Jesus conditional. What is it conditional on? Verse 12 (a) if we endure, we shall also reign with Him. Paul wrote “if” we endure we will reign with Him. What do have to endure to reign with Jesus?
There are many places in the new testament where God tells us things that we will endure while in Jesus. In Hebrews 12: 7-8 if we endure chastening of God, He is treating us as sons. In Mark 4: 13-20 the parable of the sower there are 3 soils that receive the word of God.
In verse Matthew 13:20 an Mk4: 6 the stony ground receives the word with gladness, but they only endure for a time. (I was taught as a Baptist that only one soil received Jesus. The Baptist change the word of God to fit their doctrine. That is a very dangerous practice.) The stony soil stumbles after tribulation, persecution or temptations arise. Luke 8: 13 states the stony soil believes for a while, meaning they were saved for a while, but they fall away under temptation. All three agree that the stony soil endures for a time then falls away.
Matthew and Mark state that the thorny soil becomes unfruitful. (John 15:5 without Jesus the branch can do nothing, cannot produce fruit. That means if the soil has produced fruit or is even capable of producing fruit they have to be a branch on Jesus.) Luke states that the thorny ground does not bring any fruit to maturity. All three gospels agree that the thorny soil is capable of producing fruit. In all 3 gospels the stony soil does not endure due to cares of the world.
The thorny and stony soils both had reason to deny Jesus. The stony soil had cause to deny Jesus under persecution, because of being in Christ, they deny Christ in the to end the persecution. If the thorny soil put their hope for worldly pleasures over what Jesus' offers they to have denied Christ. Both types of soil did not endure.
Does this mean that we have to do work to be saved? No! 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand and He will take care of us. We will not suffer anything if we keep our mouth shut. Opening the mouth to deny Christ, is work, keeping it shut is not. You have to do work to deny Jesus. Christ knows your if your heart still loves what He offers. He will take you out of the situation if your heart desires Him over Satan. 2Timothy 2:13 if we do not have enough faith to endure, Christ will not deny Himself, all we need do is stand, in Christ, and He will take care of us.
We can choose to do work to bring glory to Jesus. If we choose to do work it is to walk in the Spirit and produce more fruit.
Both Jesus' parable of the soils and 2Timothy 2: 10-13 clearly defines a path for Christians to be saved or to deny Christ and have Him deny them. Christians can lose salvation by Jesus' words in the parable of the sower. That supports Paul's scriptures in 2Timothy 2: 10-13. Let's hear from the word wizards how they magically change God's word to fit their doctrine.
