want to talk about OSAS?

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I am just trying to figure out what you believe. What you said so far sounds similar to beliefs that I have argued against for many years using the Bible.

If you just asked me I would tell you. Instead you like to make assumptions and then next thing you are trying to tell me what I believe. I don`t like that.

Again, my apologies. I tend to be over zealous at times on this topic. But if it makes you feel any better, I know how you feel because it happens to me all the time. However, it does not bother me because it is something that is a part of forum discussion (that one has to simply deal with because of people's misconceptions). But having a statement of faith or explaining more properly what we believe on a topic will cause less confusion and or false assumptions by others towards what you tell others you believe.

To help you understand what I believe, check out my Statement of Faith here:

What is your Statement of Faith?

To help you understand my view of Soteriology, check out this thread here:

The Four Aspects of Salvation.

But can mortal sin (like murder, adultery, hate, etc.) separate a believer from God and cause them to abide in spiritual death?

Do believers need to confess and forsake sin in order to maintain salvation?

Of course.

So you believe in Conditional Salvation and not OSAS?
Before you gave me the impression that one is saved by Election and that it is all God who perfects us and it is nothing that we do. Why? Because you quoted Jude 1:24 and said that it is in nothing that we do. This is why your words are confusing here, my friend. If maybe you can help to bridge the gap and explain things a little better for me.

A moment ago you said there are plenty of differences between you and Calvin. Now you are saying that you are not going to waste your time studying Calvinism. So which is it? There are only 5 points in Calvinism and there are many websites that describes what these beliefs are.

I know Calvinism because I have debated some. I have zero interest in reading what Calvin said apart from the pain of researching him for debating. Not going to do it to make you happy LOL!

You don't have to study Calvinism to know about the 5 points of TULIP. You said you debated it before, but yet you appear to be unaware of the basic 5 points (of which one can learn in 5 minutes). But why should we learn about them? Because it is a rising belief in Christianity that needs to be exposed as not being biblical. We are told to correct, and rebuke, and to contend for the faith. You don't have to study the words of John Calvin to debate it. Just an awareness of their 5 points and in knowing your Bible so as to refute those 5 points. Anyways, you gave me an impression that you were for one point in Calvinism by your words that said we are saved by Election and by your words that say we are not saved by anything that we do. This implies certain tenets in the Calvinistic faith (Whether that was your intention or not).

I don't believe that should be your attitude. Learning about what other Christians believe should be important to us in order to reach them if they are teaching something that is not biblically correct. We are told in the Bible to contend for the faith, and to correct and rebuke with all long suffering and doctrine.

You do that in your own denomination, your own church, your own brethren that you have some responsibility for and who will listen to you. You can`t expect to come into a situation like this and rebuke everybody and then suddenly they all see the light and agree with everything you say. It doesn`t serve God to have that mentality.

Then Paul's letters would have been written in code for only them to understand. But this was not the case. They were copied out for all to learn from. Truth should not be hidden in the dark. While my efforts of exposing that which is unbiblical may not work from your perspective, I have helped a few people over the years see the light on certain topics with God's Word. This would not happen if I did not stand up against untruth. Truth should not be limited to the confines of a few circle of believers only. The Bible is available for all to see and read.

You remind me of me about 20 years ago. One day you`ll wake up, be burned out, and realize you used a bunch of your eneargy in a way that didn`t help anyone.

I have been at this for 10 years, and I get fired up to talk about the Word of God because other believers can sometimes challenge me to dig deeper into God's Holy Word. This brings forth deeper study for me and in talking to God about it. Oh, and yes. Again, I have helped fellow believers here on the forum before to see what the Word of God is saying.

I asked you to share your beliefs, and you initially simply refused to give me any answers. I am glad you gave me a little bit more information this time out. That was good, but I was expecting a more lengthy reply in why you disagree with me in this thread regarding this topic (Besides just the attack of my character). Again, if I assumed something wrong about your beliefs and they are not true, I would like to know all of what you believe on the matter that contradicts what I stated. I am more than happy to apologize if I assumed something wrong about you. But just know that I have had many tell me they are for holy living in the OSAS camp and then later they turn around and say they can sin and still be saved. So you will have to forgive me if it sounds like you oppose what I am saying with Scripture and to not be suspicious of your beliefs. Again, lay it all out for me in your view on sin and salvation. Be as exhaustive on this topic as you can. Do not do it to help me, but do it to help others who may come across this thread reading.

But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little

Yes, I love this verse. It helps us to establish that the truth of God's Word is consistent throughout the whole of His Word in the form of cross references. Not sure what that has to do with you not sharing what you believe, friend.

This is just a recreational activity to me. I contribute content over time. So far it`s over 600 posts that collectively reveal much about me.

While some believers do follow what others write, I don't think it is reasonable to expect everyone (including me) to read all of what you write as if it was gold.

The problem is that I asked you and you did not initially share. But again, I am glad you did share a little bit of info. here in this second post. Thank you for that, but I was hoping for a lot more so as to understand why you are hostile to what I have posted here with Scripture.

I think I`ve been pretty straight to the point. You can`t accuse somebody of being something they are not, accuse them of believing things they don`t believe without a reasonable expectation that you will irritate them by doing so.

Again, my apologies for assuming things about you that are not true. But you have not been straight forward of all what you believe on this topic and you posted words to lead me to the wrong conclusion about what you believe. I did not have any problems with misunderstanding where poster “Chad” has stood on this topic. He made it very clear where he stands.

The best way to understand my theology is to realize that I only care about what Paul taught Gentiles to believe and do. I have no interest in what I will generously call interpretations of the scriptures that came later.

But even you have an interpretation that came after the apostle Paul. Granted, I agree that we should not always look to others without doing our own deep study, but at times, I have found it really helpful to read what other believers have written or spoken in regards to God's Word. For iron sharpens iron.

I believe that believers are intially and foundationally saved by God's grace through faith in Christ.
Being saved by God's grace is:

(a) Seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ.
(b) Believing that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He was risen three days later (the gospel).
(c) Receiving Christ as one's Lord and Savior.​

Without this first act of salvation, no believer can be saved. Meaning, no act of good works can be done until they are first saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. In fact, if a believer happens to fall into sin on rare occasion, do they go out and do a good work to offset that sin? No, no. Most certainly not. They go to God's grace by confessing their sins to Jesus in order to be forgiven of those sins (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1).

But after we are saved by God's grace, we have to enter the Sanctification Process as a part of God's plan of salvation. So no I do not believe in putting the cart before the horse as you falsely assume or accuse me of.

Only problem is you did put the cart before the horse. I didn`t have to make anything up to prove it.

I just told you what I believe, and now you are still not accepting what I have said? You assume that what I had written before was not in line with what I said above? If so, then you are intentionally assuming falsely beliefs about me (Despite what I have just stated clearly). I unintentionally assumed the wrong thing about what you believe on certain things, and I apologized for that. But you did not make it easy to figure out what you believe by your being mysterious and by your misleading statements. But now, you are not believing me even after I have stated what I believed. I believe this is really wrong. Care to share why you think I have put the cart before the horse even though I told you we are intially and foundationally saved by God's grace? What post # of mine made you think that way?

So you are of the view like OSAS proponents on this thread who believes we are saved and then we are changed automatically to follow the Spirit?

I don`t believe it`s automatic. I strongly oppose those who do

Poster Chad sounds like he strongly opposes those who do. You did not give me that impression here in this thread at all.

Before you said that a believer can fall away. What does that look like?

In the Bible falling away means to stop believing Jesus is Messiah. In our day it`s like a former Chrisitan who becomes athiest, agnostic, non religeous in some way or converts to another religeon.)

I don't understand. If you believe this way, then why have you not shared this information until now? Why not contend for the faith?

I don't get that impression when I read Revelation 21.

What impression? You`re talking to the strawman again.

Really? Please take no offense, but this sounds like a child's response. Care to address why you disagree with Scripture?

These are standards that can only be met by having the covering of His righteousness and the help of His Spirit. Your efforts are filthy rags in his sight. In the original Hebrew it meant something more filthy then a dirty towel. You want to know why I`m disagreeing with your opinions? There you go.)

First, I believe God does the good work through the believer, and that we cannot do any good on our own effort. Second, I believe a Christian needs to first be saved by God's grace before they can enter the Sanctification Process whereby God will do the good work through them. No believer can do their own good works alone. Jesus said we can do nothing without Him (John 15:5).

As for your quote of Isaiah 64:

Isaiah 64 says,
5 “Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold, thou art wroth; for we have sinned: in those is continuance, and we shall be saved.
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

Notice that in context in verse 5, God meets the person who rejoices and works righteousness. But then verse 5 says they have sinned. Verse 6 then says that their righteousness is as filthy rags. This means man made traditions and not the works of righteousness whereby God meets with them.

In other words, verse 5 is obedience to God's commands.
Verse 6 is talking about man made traditions.

While you claim not to be for OSAS, the OSAS crowd loves to misquote Isaiah 64:6 to defend how we cannot obey God as a part of being in His kingdom.

However, 1 John 3:10 says,
“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.”

Hopefully this will help to clarify where I am coming from.
But even after I told you before that believers are intitially and foundationally saved by God's grace, you seem to still not believe me. I hope that what I have written now will change your mind. But the ball is ultimately in your court.

Peace, and blessings be unto you (even if we disagree strongly on this topic).

 

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While bypassing scripture you do not accept, the same as the cults. Says it all really.
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Prove any scripture that I do not accept. Give me an example of what you are claiming that I refuse to accept.

 

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Prove any scripture that I do not accept. Give me an example of what you are claiming that I refuse to accept.

I don't think you accept the following verses below.

For here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:

Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I don't think you accept the following verses below.

For here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:

Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

I accept them all.

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and you do not accept these

Man by nature is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9),
Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
Man loves darkness (John 3:19),
Man does not seek for God (Romans 3:10-12),
Man is ungodly (Romans 5:6),
Man is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1),
Man by nature is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14),
Man is a slave of sin (Romans 6:16-20)
Man is sinful at birth, sinful from the time of conception (Psalms 51:5)
Man is like a filthy rag his garments stained by sin and is unrighteous ( Isaiah 64:6)
Man is hostile towards God and cannot submit to Him or His law ( Romans 8:7)
Man cannot do good and is completely incapable of such an act ( Romans 3:12)
Man is not born with faith so everything is done in sin ( Romans 14:23)
Man has not one single thing that is good in him ( Romans 7:18)
Man is born condemned ( John 3:18)

 

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Prove any scripture that I do not accept. Give me an example of what you are claiming that I refuse to accept.

Paul is against Eternal Security. For Paul says,

1. We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).
   
   
2. We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).
   
   
4. We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).
   
   
5. We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).
   
   
6. We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).
   
   
7. We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).
   
   
8. We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).
   
   
9. We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).
   
   
10. Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).
    

 

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I accept them all.

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and you do not accept these

Man by nature is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9),
Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
Man loves darkness (John 3:19),
Man does not seek for God (Romans 3:10-12),
Man is ungodly (Romans 5:6),
Man is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1),
Man by nature is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14),
Man is a slave of sin (Romans 6:16-20)
Man is sinful at birth, sinful from the time of conception (Psalms 51:5)
Man is like a filthy rag his garments stained by sin and is unrighteous ( Isaiah 64:6)
Man is hostile towards God and cannot submit to Him or His law ( Romans 8:7)
Man cannot do good and is completely incapable of such an act ( Romans 3:12)
Man is not born with faith so everything is done in sin ( Romans 14:23)
Man has not one single thing that is good in him ( Romans 7:18)
Man is born condemned ( John 3:18)

See, that is what I am talking about. You didn't even read these verses and you did not attempt to address them with Scripture and neither did you try to explain them using your own words. You just threw an unrelated set of verses at me.

 

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I accept them all.

next................

and you do not accept these

Man by nature is deceitful (Jeremiah 17:9),
Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23)
Man loves darkness (John 3:19),
Man does not seek for God (Romans 3:10-12),
Man is ungodly (Romans 5:6),
Man is dead in his sins (Ephesians 2:1),
Man by nature is a child of wrath (Ephesians 2:3),
Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Corinthians 2:14),
Man is a slave of sin (Romans 6:16-20)
Man is sinful at birth, sinful from the time of conception (Psalms 51:5)
Man is like a filthy rag his garments stained by sin and is unrighteous ( Isaiah 64:6)
Man is hostile towards God and cannot submit to Him or His law ( Romans 8:7)
Man cannot do good and is completely incapable of such an act ( Romans 3:12)
Man is not born with faith so everything is done in sin ( Romans 14:23)
Man has not one single thing that is good in him ( Romans 7:18)
Man is born condemned ( John 3:18)

I will reply to the misconceptions you have on these verses later tomorrow (When I have more time).

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Paul is against Eternal Security. For Paul says,

1. We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).
   
   
2. We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).
   
   
3. We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).
   
   
4. We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).
   
   
5. We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).
   
   
6. We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).
   
   
7. We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).
   
   
8. We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).
   
   
9. We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).
   
   
10. Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

Paul is for Eternal Life never ending just the same as Jesus and the Other Apostles.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

I will reply to the misconceptions you have on these verses later tomorrow (When I have more time).

you mean your misinterpretations of them.

 

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Paul is for Eternal Life never ending just the same as Jesus and the Other Apostles.

hope this helps !!!

No, it does not help because I already refuted you on your misunderstanding on who is eternal life and what one must do to abide in the One who is eternal life.

 

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you mean your misinterpretations of them.

Feel free to refute them with Scripture if you can. But I know you will not be able to do that because that is not how you debate or discuss the Scriptures. You do not explain any of God's Word that is put forth to you, and you do not post the context to prove that you are correct in any way.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

No, it does not help because I already refuted you on your misunderstanding on who is eternal life and what one must do to abide in the One who is eternal life.

And I refuted you on Eternal Life since it never ends. You have to change the meaning of Eternal life to fit your doctrine, not me. I believe its meaning you have to changes its meaning to fir into your false doctrines of losing salvation and sinless perfection.

 

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I`ll have to look at the quote box thing later. My comments in ( )

Again, my apologies. I tend to be over zealous at times on this topic. But if it makes you feel any better, I know how you feel because it happens to me all the time. However, it does not bother me because it is something that is a part of forum discussion (that one has to simply deal with because of people's misconceptions). But having a statement of faith or explaining more properly what we believe on a topic will cause less confusion and or false assumptions by others towards what you tell others you believe.

( I`m not mad at you. Just maybe think about what I said.)

So you believe in Conditional Salvation and not OSAS?

(No, that`s not what I said)

Before you gave me the impression that one is saved by Election and that it is all God who perfects us and it is nothing that we do. Why? Because you quoted Jude 1:24 and said that it is in nothing that we do. This is why your words are confusing here, my friend. If maybe you can help to bridge the gap and explain things a little better for me.

( Saved by election is Biblical and of course I believe in it. Your denial of it disturbs me. God perfects as we cooperate with His Spirit. We can do nothing without His help John 15:5)

( I confuse you because you are used to terms and doctrines that came after the 1st century. Everything I say is expressed in more or less the same way as the King James. Mind you, I`m not a King James glorifier but it is the choice that I made for my understanding of the gospel)

You don't have to study Calvinism to know about the 5 points of TULIP. You said you debated it before, but yet you appear to be unaware of the basic 5 points (of which one can learn in 5 minutes). But why should we learn about them? Because it is a rising belief in Christinaity that needs to be exposed as not being biblical. We are told to correct, and rebuke, and to contend for the faith. You don't have to study the words of John Calvin to debate it. Just an awareness of their 5 points and in knowing your Bible so as to refute those 5 points. Anyways, you gave me an impression that you were for one point in Calvinism by your words that said we are saved by Election and by your words that say we are not saved by anything that we do. This implies certain tenets in the Calvinistic faith (Whether that was your intention or not).

( My interest in Calvinism is pretty slim. Sorry about that. As I said before, it isn`t my fault if Calvin copied some of Paul`s teachings. Why do you get it backwards? Paul predates all that junk.)

Again, I have helped fellow believers here on the forum before to see what the Word of God is saying.

( If that is so then good for you.)

Yes, I love this verse. It helps us to establish that the truth of God's Word is consistent throughout the whole of His Word in the form of cross references. Not sure what that has to do with you not sharing what you believe, friend.

( I do share but I have things to do. I make these posts when I am resting. Well over 600 of them so far so I am sharing more then most.)

While some believers do follow what others write, I don't think it is reasonable to expect everyone (including me) to read all of what you write as if it was gold.

( I don`t, I pointed it out in response to your accusation that I am secretive about my beliefs. Reality is I have to watch myself or I will speak when I should be listening.)


Again, my apologies for assuming things about you that are not true. But you have not been straight forward of all what you believe on this topic and you posted words to lead me to the wrong conclusion about what you believe. I did not have any problems with misunderstanding where poster “Chad” has stood on this topic. He made it very clear where he stands.

( I`m sorry but, isn`t really an apology. But as I said I`m not mad at you or anyone else.)

But even you have an interpretation that came after the apostle Paul. Granted, I agree that we should not always look to others without doing our own deep study, but at times, I have found it really helpful to read what other believers have written or spoken in regards to God's Word. For iron sharpens iron.

( I`m not as dismissive as I sound. I read modern commentary almost daily. Studying Paul, which correctly understood means studying the whole Bible, filled my plate. I made a decision long ago to make it my focus and my stronghold. Studying other theologians would have slowed my progress.)

I just told you what I believe, and now you are still not accepting what I have said? You assume that what I had written before was not in line with what I said above? If so, then you are intentionally assuming falsely beliefs about me (Despite what I have just stated clearly). I unintentionally assumed the wrong thing about what you believe on certain things, and I apologized for that. But you did not make it easy to figure out what you believe by your being mysterious and by your misleading statements. But now, you are not believing me even after I have stated what I believed. I believe this is really wrong. Care to share why you think I have put the cart before the horse even though I told you we are intially and foundationally saved by God's grace? What post # of mine made you think that way?

( I can`t remember now and I`m not going to go through old posts to figure that one out. Sorry.)

In other words, verse 5 is obedience to God's commands.
Verse 6 is talking about man made traditions.

( Good point. You win.)

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

 

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And I refuted you on Eternal Life since it never ends. You have to change the meaning of Eternal life to fit your doctrine, not me. I believe its meaning you have to changes its meaning to fir into your false doctrines of losing salvation and sinless perfection.

I have told you this before, but it is like talking to a wall.

#1. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16) (John 14:6), and it's not a super power or magical wish enforced upon you.

#2. To have assurance that we are abiding in Christ (who is the source of Eternal Life), we have to find that we are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3).

#3. The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). What truth is not in them? Jesus. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). One cannot be saved without abiding in Jesus, and the only assurance we have that He does live in us is if we discover that we are keeping His commandments. If one teaches that one can sin and still be saved, then they are not teaching that we must keep God's commandments.

 

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I have told you this before, but it is like talking to a wall.

#1. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ (1 Timothy 6:16) (John 14:6), and it's not a super power or magical wish enforced upon you.

#2. To have assurance that we are abiding in Christ (who is the source of Eternal Life), we have to find that we are keeping His commandments (1 John 2:3).

#3. The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). What truth is not in them? Jesus. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6). One cannot be saved without abiding in Jesus, and the only assurance we have that He does live in us is if we discover that we are keeping His commandments. If one teaches that one can sin and still be saved, then they are not teaching that we must keep God's commandments.

And ?

Those who have Eternal Life abide in Him.

next.................

 

[1an]

Prove any scripture that I do not accept. Give me an example of what you are claiming that I refuse to accept.

Those that BH posted and those I post about backsliding that you say is impossible.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Those that BH posted.

I love those scriptures just not his slant on them.

 

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I`ll have to look at the quote box thing later. My comments in ( )

I hope it is helpful. It will make it easier on others to read your posts.

Again, my apologies. I tend to be over zealous at times on this topic. But if it makes you feel any better, I know how you feel because it happens to me all the time. However, it does not bother me because it is something that is a part of forum discussion (that one has to simply deal with because of people's misconceptions). But having a statement of faith or explaining more properly what we believe on a topic will cause less confusion and or false assumptions by others towards what you tell others you believe.

I`m not mad at you. Just maybe think about what I said.

I do strive not to make leaps of assumptions about what others believe, but I would say that 9 times out of 10 I am generally right on what a person believes. I do drop the ball every now and then, and I am willing to apologize if I get a person's beliefs wrong.

So you believe in Conditional Salvation and not OSAS?

No, that`s not what I said

Are you saying you are for OSAS and you are against Conditional Salvation?

Bible Before you gave me the impression that one is saved by Election and that it is all God who perfects us and it is nothing that we do. Why? Because you quoted Jude 1:24 and said that it is in nothing that we do. This is why your words are confusing here, my friend. If maybe you can help to bridge the gap and explain things a little better for me.

( Saved by election is Biblical and of course I believe in it. Your denial of it disturbs me. God perfects as we cooperate with His Spirit. We can do nothing without His help John 15:5)

What do you mean by election? Many people have many different understandings on that word.

I confuse you because you are used to terms and doctrines that came after the 1st century. Everything I say is expressed in more or less the same way as the King James. Mind you, I`m not a King James glorifier but it is the choice that I made for my understanding of the gospel)

I believe the KJB is the perfect and pure Word of God. Here is a thread I created on the reasons why I believe that way (if you are interested).

30 reasons why the KJB is the divine and pure Word of God for today

Anyways, I gotta run. I may reply later to the rest of what you wrote tomorrow.

Please be well, and may God bless you (even if we disagree strongly on some things in the Bible).

 

[1an]

I love those scriptures just not his slant on them.

And those that I post about backsliding?
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[Bible Highlighter]

And ?

Those who have Eternal Life abide in Him.

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No. Your not getting it. 1 Timothy 6:16 says that Jesus alone possesses immortality. We do not posssess immortality or eternal life but we can only have it by abiding in Him. If we abide in Him, we need to prove it by finding that we are keeping His commandments.

Jesus is the way, the truth, and the LIFE (John 14:6). You are not that LIFE. You do not have that LIFE unless you abide in the ONE who is LIFE itself.

In other words, eternal life is not yours alone but it is something that is a part of Jesus Christ in who is. In order to possess eternal life, you need to abide in Jesus who is the source of eternal life. It's like plugging into an electrical outlet. If you do not plug your electric equipment or devices into the plug, there is no power to your electrical devices.