VOTE HOW MANY BELIEVE IN A PRE TRIBULATION HOPE/RAPTURE ?

[Antonio39]

Seems that most people don't believe in a pre trib hope. RIght yes if you believe in a pretrib hope, or no if you believe the word doesn't teach this

 

[Unqualified]

YES…

 

[keras]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

You use scripture to deny scripture, nice.

 

[d taylor]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

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The rapture is not to heaven, it is to the clouds where believers meet Jesus in the clouds.

 

[RandyPNW]

No. Pretrib started in the 1830s and was created by JN Darby.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Seems that most people don't believe in a pre trib hope. RIght yes if you believe in a pretrib hope, or no if you believe the word doesn't teach this

no

 

[dfw69]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

He did not say no one ever go to heaven …. He said no one is able to go up to heaven but Him … Keras He made a way to the father… now it’s possible ..If he being a man can ascend up, we now have this hope also because we know we will be like Him when He appears for us

 

[dfw69]

Seems that most people don't believe in a pre trib hope. RIght yes if you believe in a pretrib hope, or no if you believe the word doesn't teach this

Yes and amen

 

[dfw69]

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The rapture is not to heaven, it is to the clouds where believers meet Jesus in the clouds.

And after we meet in the clouds we go to heaven because we are given heavenly bodies for that specific purpose

Jesus told his disciples when He comes for them and those that believe their testimony that He returns to take them to His Fathers house with many abodes awaits them …if it were not true He wouldn’t have said it …

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Post-Trib Rapture is where it's at.

 

[Ceallaigh]

No
There will be no 'rapture to heaven' for anyone; pre, mid or post the Great Tribulation. Jesus said so: No one goes to heaven, except the One who came from there. John 3:13

Good point.

 

[Ceallaigh]

No. Pretrib started in the 1830s and was created by JN Darby.

Actually it started with a vision a child named Margaret MacDonald had in 1830, which Darby ran with, and then Moody popularized. As far as I know the mid and post positions developed after that.

 

[Jesse Dornfeld]

Actually it started with a vision a child named Margaret MacDonald had in 1830, which Darby ran with, and then Moody popularized. As far as I know the mid and post positions developed after that.

The only reason they developed after is because it has been historically understood that the "catching up" and the Lord's return were the same exact event.

 

[d taylor]

And after we meet in the clouds we go to heaven because we are given heavenly bodies for that specific purpose

Jesus told his disciples when He comes for them and those that believe their testimony that He returns to take them to His Fathers house with many abodes awaits them …if it were not true He wouldn’t have said it …

No the believers remain in the clouds with Jesus, till the tribulation is over. Then they return with Jesus back to earth, for the 1000 year rule of Jesus on earth

 

[keras]

He did not say no one ever go to heaven …. He said no one is able to go up to heaven but Him … Keras He made a way to the father… now it’s possible ..If he being a man can ascend up, we now have this hope also because we know we will be like Him when He appears for us

What Jesus said was specific and irrefutable: No one goes to heaven.....
This truth is confirmed by many other scriptures; John 7:34, John 8:21-213, John 17:15, Revelation 5:10, +

The rapture is not to heaven, it is to the clouds where believers meet Jesus in the clouds.

This is correct, then we go with Him to where He will be; that is in Jerusalem, Zechariah 14:4
This will be a transportation, between 2 earthy locations. As what happened to Philip; Acts 8:39

 

[RandyPNW]

Actually it started with a vision a child named Margaret MacDonald had in 1830, which Darby ran with, and then Moody popularized. As far as I know the mid and post positions developed after that.

I don't know when the term "postribulationism" started, but that is irrelevant. The idea that Christ would come at the very end of the age was taught from the very beginning of Christianity, and even before. Daniel, in ch. 7, taught that the Son of Man would come down from heaven, establishing his reign upon the earth, the Kingdom of God. That is "postribulationism."

Edward Irving and John Darby both wished to reestablish ancient Premillennialism, which had been lost since the Early Church. This required the understanding that we are not yet reigning in some kind of spiritualized "Millennium" now. Rather, we are suffering the ravages of Satan throughout the present era, depending on time, place, and circumstance.

And so, the burden of these men was to find some manner of escape from these troubles as they would increase on a global scale under Antichrist. That gave birth to Pretribulationism. Margaret McDonald may have expressed a vision that Darby could interpret as a form of Pretribulationism.

At any rate, Darby was the one to create the theology of Dispensationalism, which had Pretribulational teaching at its core. Its belief in the future salvation of national Israel is, however, as ancient as Premillennialism, as opposed to Pretribulationism, which was new.

I would add that the belief, often associated with Pretribulationism, that Christians are not the objects of God's Wrath, existed from the beginning of Christianity. It's just that Darby came to associate "God's Wrath" with the *entire period of Antichrist's Reign!* That was new, and what created Pretribulationism.

Also commonly associated with Pretribulationism is the belief in Christ's Imminent Coming. Christians have always believed that in some sense Christ is coming "soon." However, Darby came to indicate that Christ can come at any time, since he believed Christ must return *before* the rise of Antichrist. This was new.

 

[anetazo]

Rapture theory is false doctrine. False brethren are condemned. Documentation, Ezekiel chapter 13.

Paul wrote second thessalonians. Because of confusion of first thessalonians chapter 4. And some fake shepherds twist or distort that chapter into rapture theory.

Second thessalonians chapter 2 and revelation chapter 12. To document, theirs no rapture. Satan as antichrist will come 6th trump. Those who are biblically illiterate will worship antichrist.
Ephesians chapter 6 . Gospel armour is knowledge and wisdom of God's word. Its spirtual war. Its words, ideas and concepts . The gospel armour is only way past antichrist lies and deception. Get the picture.

 

[Douggg]

Seems that most people don't believe in a pre trib hope. RIght yes if you believe in a pretrib hope, or no if you believe the word doesn't teach this

Antonio, go back to your opening post and click edit. It may allow you to select the add poll option.

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[Douggg]

I would vote "yes" because I believe that a pre-trib (pre-70th week) rapture could happen.