Vaping kills!

[Tinker Grey]

The deaths from vaping were only in the USA. Apparently the investigators found that 85% of the vapers in the USA, that were affected had put THC in their fluid. So the investigation is getting closer to the cause of these deaths in the USA.

It wasn't the THC; it was the vitamin E acetate that illicit dealers used to cut the product.

 

[klutedavid]

To me it sounds terrible. The physical compulsion to keep buying a product. The need that nags and nags at you. Always having to 'step away' for a fix. Sounds awful to me. And for what upside? Because bubble gum flavored vape tastes amazing?

I have two flatmates that are addicted to fast foods, chips, and treats. They have to get their hit at least every second night. They seem unable to control the desire.

Make no mistake, fast foods can be extremely addictive and I have known countless overweight people, that cannot stop eating junk food.

I really do think that the medical world has under estimated how addictive. The fast food market is to the younger members of the population.

 

[klutedavid]

It wasn't the THC; it was the vitamin E acetate that illicit dealers used to cut the product.

That's correct.
But I thought the vitamin E was used in conjunction with the THC, to enable the user to vape the THC.

 

[durangodawood]

Yeah. If I don't have coffee, I get headaches. It's terrible. (Truth, though, as I age this isn't as true as it used to be. But, when I cut down from a full pot (about 6 large cups) to half, I was tired for a month. And, I did get headaches.)

The idea that nicotine might increase my focus is appealing. (I've been diagnosed with a degree of ADHD.) There have been long periods of my life where getting anything done was difficult. I'd've been willing to try it but for two things: 1) my work place banned it (for asthma sufferers), and 2) I've increasing realized I don't like fussing with paraphernalia. I like my pipe better than a cigar, but I find I smoke once or twice a year; a cigar is just easier even if a little harsher.

As such, I'd be willing to try a vape if I thought it would help. And, I'm egotistical enough to think I could manage "micro-dosing" and minimizing addiction. (Some people, like my father, seem to have a resistance to it. He and my mother alleged that dad gave up cigarettes cold turkey with no problem when he married my mother.)

In short, nicotine, I think, just isn't as significant as the current pearl-clutching of the media makes it out to be.

I could see nicotine have beneficial applications here and there, despite its highly addictive qualities.

But just blasting it out there as a marketed product to young people is insane, I think.

 

[durangodawood]

I have two flatmates that are addicted to fast foods, chips, and treats. They have to get their hit at least every second night. They seem unable to control the desire.

Make no mistake, fast foods can be extremely addictive and I have known countless overweight people, that cannot stop eating junk food.

I really do think that the medical world has under estimated how addictive. The fast food market is to the younger members of the population.

Yes I totally agree. And its sad.

 

[Tinker Grey]

That's correct.
But I thought the vitamin E was used in conjunction with the THC, to enable the user to vape the THC.

You may be correct. I thought it was just a cutting agent that one reads that drug dealers do to increase their profit margin which often have bad consequences for the buyer. The news articles have been woefully short on information.

 

[Tinker Grey]

But just blasting it out there as a marketed product to young people is insane, I think

I agree.

 

[klutedavid]

You may be correct. I thought it was just a cutting agent that one reads that drug dealers do to increase their profit margin which often have bad consequences for the buyer. The news articles have been woefully short on information.

Your probably correct. I think I read somewhere that the vitamin E product, is used as a cutting agent on another drug category.

Anyway, if you live in the USA don't vape.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Your probably correct. I think I read somewhere that the vitamin E product, is used as a cutting agent on another drug category.

This site agrees with what I said, but I think they are agenda driven: CDC Started a Vaping Panic, Now It’s Admitting Vitamin E Acetate In Illegal Products Is to Blame (I did some searching but this was the only site that ventured a statement on "why" the substance was used.)

Anyway, if you live in the USA don't vape.

At least not unregulated THC products.

 

[Quackduck]

Apple has removed vaping apps from its apps site.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Well there should be a panic just based on the number of new nicotine addictions among young people.

That's not really the issue though. The question is whether vaping has resulted in death in recent cases. And it appears that the answer to that is no.

So there's some good news, yes?

 

[durangodawood]

That's not really the issue though. The question is whether vaping has resulted in death in recent cases. And it appears that the answer to that is no.

So there's some good news, yes?

Why is it good news that the deaths were from this thing rather than that thing? It doesnt change number of dead.

I suppose its good in that people are so addicted they wouldnt stop even if the deaths were from "clean" product. Somehow I cant celebrate that tho.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I deliver mail to two different vape shops and whenever I ask the people who work in those vape shops about those who have become ill or have even died from vaping, they always claim that such people must not be using proper cartridges (which may have be modified) from a legitimate vape shop.

Funny, the local place where I occasionally purchase cigars is now a big vaping and CBD hotspot. Previously the patrons and staff looked like regular, slightly overweight, middle-aged folks but otherwise healthy folks. Now it is packed with skinny and twitching twenty somethings covered with tattoos and piercings that look like they are two steps from death.

Whatever floats their boat, they have their vice, and I have mine.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Why is it good news that the deaths were from this thing rather than that thing? It doesnt change number of dead.

Um, the cause of those deaths kinda sorta needs to change how we respond to those deaths. Specifically, whether an evidently harmless practice gets banned or not.

So yeah, I'd say the cause of death is of some importance.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Why is it good news that the deaths were from this thing rather than that thing? It doesnt change number of dead.

I suppose its good in that people are so addicted they wouldnt stop even if the deaths were from "clean" product. Somehow I cant celebrate that tho.

Well, as best I can tell, there are no deaths from vaping legitimate products.

 

[Aldebaran]

I have heard the US has had deaths caused by vaping.

I've heard that 480,000 deaths are caused by tobacco smoking each year. The number of deaths in the US caused by vaping--about 40 (total). That's not per year, but in total. Yet vaping devices are getting vilified and banned while cigarettes continue being sold. No "epidemic" or "emergency" with those.
It's a great example of how things get blown out of proportion by the media.
Fast Facts.

 

[charsan]

We all know that smoking tobacco is very harmful to the lungs, apparently half of all smokers die due to smoking related diseases.

People thought vaping was safer but that appears not to be the case.

Vaping nearly killed me, says British teenager

My husband and I have never smoked, and have never permitted anyone to smoke in our home. I am so very grateful none of our close family smoke.

According to reports that I heard on a Christian radio station (KSGN) it was vape that was laced with other ingredients like a vitamin E compound or marijuana that was the culprit so vaping itself does not kill.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finally acknowledged on September 27 that contaminated liquids containing tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabinoid (CBD) oils are the likely cause of the recent outbreak of lung injuries. The agency said that “Most patients report a history of using THC-containing products. The latest national and regional findings suggest products containing THC play a role in the outbreak.

Tobacco Truth: CDC Recognizes THC in Lung Injury Outbreak, But Teen Marijuana Use Ignored

 

[charsan]

The cases with which I'm aware seem to include usage of CBD oils or other modifications made to vape juice.

Separately, not all vape juices are created equal. Some of the garbage coming out of China probably is risky while other juices are perfectly safe.

Far too many conclusions are being drawn about vaping in general based on incomplete information. Call me paranoid but I can't help thinking at least some of this is being fueled by Big Tobacco, who have lost their collective shirt in the last several years as people switch to vaping over conventional tobacco cigarettes.

Exactly

 

[durangodawood]

Um, the cause of those deaths kinda sorta needs to change how we respond to those deaths. Specifically, whether an evidently harmless practice gets banned or not.

So yeah, I'd say the cause of death is of some importance.

Nice subtle re-direct there. Of course its important to know the cause. But the original question was why this particular cause was good news, rather than other causes.

I proposed a possible answer.

 

[thecolorsblend]

Nice subtle re-direct there. Of course its important to know the cause. But the original question was why this particular cause was good news, rather than other causes.

I proposed a possible answer.

It's possible that your answer is correct too.

It's also possible that in a thread entitled Vaping kills!, citing proof from no less than the CDC that vaping does not kill is actually relevant information which could do much to reform public policy on vaping.

Either or, really.