Vaping kills!

[Jonathan Walkerin]

People thought vaping was safer but that appears not to be the case.

Even if someone dies from vaping for whatever reason it does not mean that is not safer than smoking.

They have statistics for that kind of analysis.

 

[Robban]

When it was first discovered that tobacco products were very harmful no doubt many people stated it was nonsense and look how wrong they were.

Arsenic can kill but correctly diluted can also serve as a medicine.
In the field of holistic.

Not advisable to be tried at home though.

 

[Dave G.]

There can be health benefits to vapors, we use diffusers in our house with either frankincense oil or cedar oil, it disinfects the air, opens airways in lungs and moisturizes the air. You could say we are not vaping though but in a way, yes we are. And the doctor told my or suggested to my wife that she do this in our bedroom for her Psoriasis/ arthritis. Here is the deal, it's healthy if you don't over do the cedar, cedar has a health benefit element till it gets to strong. But we are inhaling vapor here in the winter months, day and night and the rheumatologist suggests we keep doing that. My wife will have less outbreaks. By the way frankinsense while expensive for the good stuff helps produce a peaceful and very sound sleep. Cedar is better out in the main house.

But you say this is not nicotine. True, but it is vapor !!

So you can't just say in a blanket statement "vaping kills", that is misleading.... Vaping with the wrong materials kills, yes, that is proven....

 

[Quackduck]

There can be health benefits to vapors, we use diffusers in our house with either frankincense oil or cedar oil, it disinfects the air, opens airways in lungs and moisturizes the air. You could say we are not vaping though but in a way, yes we are. And the doctor told my or suggested to my wife that she do this in our bedroom for her Psoriasis/ arthritis. Here is the deal, it's healthy if you don't over do the cedar, cedar has a health benefit element till it gets to strong. But we are inhaling vapor here in the winter months, day and night and the rheumatologist suggests we keep doing that. My wife will have less outbreaks. By the way frankinsense while expensive for the good stuff helps produce a peaceful and very sound sleep. Cedar is better out in the main house.

But you say this is not nicotine. True, but it is vapor !!

So you can't just say in a blanket statement "vaping kills", that is misleading.... Vaping with the wrong materials kills, yes, that is proven....

Vaping is connected to e-cigarettes not the things you are talking about.

 

[A Realist]

They have statistics for that kind of analysis.

Please don't confuse folks with the facts.

 

[Danthemailman]

I deliver mail to two different vape shops and whenever I ask the people who work in those vape shops about those who have become ill or have even died from vaping, they always claim that such people must not be using proper cartridges (which may have be modified) from a legitimate vape shop.

 

[Dave G.]

Vaping is connected to e-cigarettes not the things you are talking about.

It's all vapor sweet heart. If we use the wrong product we die or get sick too. But we don't do that. It comes down to a few stupid people trying dumb things using the wrong substances and then folks like you come along and color the whole thing as deadly using an extremely broad brush. One time a tour bus full of tourists went off a bridge and many died, would it be safe to say we should use your extremely broad brush to color tour buses as deadly too ? The headline by your own standards: " Touring By Bus Kills People "! Period, end of statement. To which no one can have an argument to the contrary as set by your own personal standard.

 

[Robban]

It's all vapor sweet heart. If we use the wrong product we die or get sick too. But we don't do that. It comes down to a few stupid people trying dumb things using the wrong substances and then folks like you come along and color the whole thing as deadly using an extremely broad brush. One time a tour bus full of tourists went off a bridge and many died, would it be safe to say we should use your extremely broad brush to color tour buses as deadly too. The headline by your own standards: " Touring By Bus Kills People "! Period, end of statement, to which no one can have an argument to the contrary as set by your personal standard.

It seems strange to me that putting a hosepipe
on the exhaust and through the window of a petrol driven car,

get into the car start the engine and very soon you will be in lullabyland,

Or have I got it wrong?

That is one car, on the roads today there are thousands.

I have never owned a drivers licsense but I do not begrudge others the right to drive.

Maybe I am right maybe I am wrong,
but I do find it odd.

 

[durangodawood]

Well this is awkward.

CDC Started a Vaping Panic, Now It’s Admitting Vitamin E Acetate In Illegal Products Is to Blame

Well there should be a panic just based on the number of new nicotine addictions among young people.

 

[Robban]

Well there should be a panic just based on the number of new nicotine addictions among young people.

I have seen it used about twice in four years,

so would reckon it is just one big flopp.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Well there should be a panic just based on the number of new nicotine addictions among young people.

Why? What problems does nicotine cause?

 

[durangodawood]

Why? What problems does nicotine cause?

Oh nothing. I've been eating Honey Nicotine Cheerios since I was a kid. Look how well I'm doing!

 

[Tinker Grey]

Oh nothing. I've been eating Honey Nicotine Cheerios since I was a kid. Look how well I'm doing!

Got a serious answer?

 

[durangodawood]

Got a serious answer?

I looked at the Mayo Clinic online resource re this, and realized if you wanted to know you could do the same. To mind mind its highly addictive nature is harmful in itself.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I looked at the Mayo Clinic online resource re this, and realized if you wanted to know you could do the same. To mind mind its highly addictive nature is harmful in itself.

"mind mind". I'm guessing "my mind".

Anyway, this is why I asked the question. I had done some research (searching articles; I'm not a scientist) about nicotine. I found that it's use doesn't correlate to cancer. That is related to the tar and soot you inhale.

So, if nicotine is merely addictive, as is caffeine, and if pursuit of it is not likely to bankrupt one's family any more than coffee from Starbucks, and if nicotine "brightens" ones mind as caffeine does (as I anecdotally note from an occasional cigar) well, then what's the problem.

 

[durangodawood]

"mind mind". I'm guessing "my mind".

Anyway, this is why I asked the question. I had done some research (searching articles; I'm not a scientist) about nicotine. I found that it's use doesn't correlate to cancer. That is related to the tar and soot you inhale.

So, if nicotine is merely addictive, as is caffeine, and if pursuit of it is not likely to bankrupt one's family any more than coffee from Starbucks, and if nicotine "brightens" ones mind as caffeine does (as I anecdotally note from an occasional cigar) well, then what's the problem.

Jeez. I must be losing mind mind.

I'm finding (any source you care to look at) the dependence potential for nicotine is way higher than for caffeine. Higher than cocaine. On par with morphine. For that reason alone, its a terrible idea for young people to take it up as a habit.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Jeez. I must be losing mind mind.

I'm finding (any source you care to look at) the dependence potential for nicotine is way higher than for caffeine. Higher than cocaine. On par with morphine. For that reason alone, its a terrible idea for young people to take it up as a habit.

Sure. The idea of a dependence is perhaps daunting. But, if the only consequence is a dependence you just can't shake, as opposed to cancer, obesity, car wrecks (alcohol), inability to do your job (alcohol, cocaine, heroin), I'm not sure it's all that bad.

 

[durangodawood]

Sure. The idea of a dependence is perhaps daunting. But, if the only consequence is a dependence you just can't shake, as opposed to cancer, obesity, car wrecks (alcohol), inability to do your job (alcohol, cocaine, heroin), I'm not sure it's all that bad.

To me it sounds terrible. The physical compulsion to keep buying a product. The need that nags and nags at you. Always having to 'step away' for a fix. Sounds awful to me. And for what upside? Because bubble gum flavored vape tastes amazing?

 

[klutedavid]

I have heard the US has had deaths caused by vaping.

The deaths from vaping were only in the USA. Apparently the investigators found that 85% of the vapers in the USA, that were affected had put THC in their fluid. So the investigation is getting closer to the cause of these deaths in the USA.

 

[Tinker Grey]

To me it sounds terrible. The physical compulsion to keep buying a product. The need that nags and nags at you. Always having to 'step away' for a fix. Sounds awful to me. And for what upside? Because bubble gum flavored vape tastes amazing?

Yeah. If I don't have coffee, I get headaches. It's terrible. (Truth, though, as I age this isn't as true as it used to be. But, when I cut down from a full pot (about 6 large cups) to half, I was tired for a month. And, I did get headaches.)

The idea that nicotine might increase my focus is appealing. (I've been diagnosed with a degree of ADHD.) There have been long periods of my life where getting anything done was difficult. I'd've been willing to try it but for two things: 1) my work place banned it (for asthma sufferers), and 2) I've increasing realized I don't like fussing with paraphernalia. I like my pipe better than a cigar, but I find I smoke once or twice a year; a cigar is just easier even if a little harsher.

As such, I'd be willing to try a vape if I thought it would help. And, I'm egotistical enough to think I could manage "micro-dosing" and minimizing addiction. (Some people, like my father, seem to have a resistance to it. He and my mother alleged that dad gave up cigarettes cold turkey with no problem when he married my mother.)

In short, nicotine, I think, just isn't as significant as the current pearl-clutching of the media makes it out to be.