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No, I didn't miss that part, mkgal1. It simply means that I did not find it to be as descriptive as I'd like for it to be. And I want specifics, not generalities as to how someone like Hitler will be saved,
Like the rest of us you'll have to wait for the afterlife for a long descriptive story of the specifics of each individual's salvation. Even then it may be irrelevant & not given. Scripture only gives general simplistic statements regarding salvation in this life, let alone salvation in the next life. So to ask people for detailed reports is to ask them to go beyond the revelation of the Scriptures God has given and is to ask the impossible.
without any assumption that he will be repentant on his own, whether on this side of the grave or the other. I could be wrong, but it sounds like God is just going to overrule and override everything regardless ... without much just consideration for the uniqueness He has given to each individual He has created, or for their personal moral culpability which He placed upon and within them.
I see no reason to make such assumptions or that the salvation experience of each unique individual hereafter will be any less unique than it is in this life. But to ask for specifics on one individual, Hitler, & how he will be saved, is obviously not known. For all we know he was saved before he died. And why ask about him in particular? Why not ask about a 5 or 15 year old who died after rejecting the gospel & without recieving Jesus into her heart? How do you figure the salvation in this life of a 5 or 15 year old compares to the salvation of a Christ persecutor like Saul of Tarsus or hardened wicked men in old age (e.g. Hitler types)?
And whether they decide with Him for good in Christ, or even if they decide against Him for evil, none of that will make a difference because it will all get swept under the rug. Too bad or So Glad, depending on how one looks at it.
Is that how your salvation worked? Stuff was "swept under the rug"? I can't ever recall any universalist speaking in such terms. Is the real issue with you like that of the prodigal son story, & you are like the envious brother who feels the prodigal doesn't deserve salvation?
From what I can tell, it sounds like universalists don't subscribe to the concept of free will, at least not in the long run. So, if this is the case, I have some differences with them as to what constitutes the nature of humanity and God Himself, etc, etc.
Do you ascribe to free will in the long run? Will God take away free will in heaven to keep everyone safe & saved? Or will He allow them the freedom of free will to rebel (like some say the heavenly angels, now demons, did)?
If every free will choice has a 50% chance of going either way, it would be mathematically impossible for one to reject God forever. Although once one is saved & immortal, what happens to freewill then? Does God take free will away to keep everyone safe and saved, or does He allow His created beings the chance to rebel again? Does incorruption imply that there will not be free will to sin?
In general the Early Church Father Christian universalists were, i think, believers in freewill. Even if it took many ages for all to finally be saved, God would obtain His desired will eventually. Today some CU's are in the freewill camp & others are not, just like Calvinists and Arminians.
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
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