Trump Reportedly Mocks Pence's Religiosity

[iluvatar5150]

...did you not read your own poll?

And, indeed, during the Republican primaries, highly observant white evangelical Protestants tended to favor Ted Cruz, while less-religious evangelicals backed Trump over any other candidate.

Right, Cruz beat Trump among the highly-committed 47%-31%
Trump has benefited from evangelicals’ support, but he’s not the first choice of the most committed

About 50% more preferred Cruz - but that doesn't necessarily mean they held their nose when it came time to the general election.

But yeah, dem evil Evangelicals want dat authoritarianism.

uh... It's not like I'm coming at this as an outsider. I've attended SBC churches nearly my entire life. Try driving through the rust belt some time and listening to what passes for Christian radio. If it's not K-Love, then it's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. You get a double whammy when you can flip back and forth between the Christian station and the conservative talk station.

Or, yanno, maybe Hillary was that loathsome to them and the constant attacks against those who voted for him have actually galvanized their support because the media and the hard left apparently don't understand basic human psychology?

There may be a causal relationship there, but that doesn't let the Trump supporters off the hook. One of the big recurring themes of church sermons all over the country is ways in which we are failing and how to improve upon them. If Christians who sit in pews every week listening to that can't also stand a little critique coming from outside the church walls, then maybe their hearts aren't as open to self-reflection as they like to think.

 

[Rion]

uh... It's not like I'm coming at this as an outsider. I've attended SBC churches nearly my entire life. Try driving through the rust belt some time and listening to what passes for Christian radio. If it's not K-Love, then it's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about. You get a double whammy when you can flip back and forth between the Christian station and the conservative talk station.

The problem is that you're coming at it from SBC = Evangelicals. I come from a SBC background and...

Let's not go there.

Basically, while I can understand why you may think that way, using SBC as a guide to Evangelicals or Protestants is sort of like using Mao Zedong as a guide to everyone on the left.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Bringing Mike Pence onto the ticket was never really about any sort of friendship, respect, or mutual admiration between the two men. It was a strategic move. They looked at what demographics Trump struggled with, and found someone to fill that void.

Trump wasn't doing as well with far-right evangelicals as strategists had hoped, so they found someone who could lock up the evangelical vote.

Trump only recently started pretending to care about "Christian values"...this is the same guy who ran bikini contests, owned casinos, his own brand of Vodka, etc...

If you honestly believe he truly transformed his entire outlook on everything in the 18 months leading up to the election, then you're extremely gullible.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

...Trump went out on stage the rainbow flag. There were quite a few Evangelicals who either held their noses or didn't vote for him.

The numbers would show that he pretty much performed just as well (if not a little better) than every other modern GOP candidate with that particular group.

The only religious group (that typically votes republican) that seemed to see through his act were the Mormons. (where he experienced a sharp drop off in support compared to Romney, McCain, and Bush)

 

[Rion]

The numbers would show that he pretty much performed just as well (if not a little better) than every other modern GOP candidate with that particular group.

We've already been discussing this.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

We've already been discussing this.

...yes, and unless I've missed the post addressing it, I still haven't seen where this assertion has been supported.

"...Trump went out on stage the rainbow flag. There were quite a few Evangelicals who either held their noses or didn't vote for him."

If your statement was that quite a few Evangelicals either "held their noses" or "didn't vote for him", then one would expect those numbers to be lower. Given that the numbers are roughly the same from that particular group, at best, that would mean that they were all in the "held their noses" crowd.

 

[iluvatar5150]

The problem is that you're coming at it from SBC = Evangelicals. I come from a SBC background and...

Let's not go there.

Basically, while I can understand why you may think that way, using SBC as a guide to Evangelicals or Protestants is sort of like using Mao Zedong as a guide to everyone on the left.

Yeah, except that SBC is the 2nd largest Christian denomination in the country, behind Catholicism. And some of the other flavors or evangelicalism are more dominionist than SBC.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

...also, to further elaborate on my previous post:

Trump Approval Rating Remains Steady Among Christian Americans

For Caucasian/non-Hispanic evangelical Protestants, Trump's approval rating soars to 74 percent, with Caucasian/non-Hispanic Catholics supporting the president by 52 percent.

It would appear Evangelicals are/were quite content with their selection.

 

[Rion]

...yes, and unless I've missed the post addressing it, I still haven't seen where this assertion has been supported.

"...Trump went out on stage the rainbow flag. There were quite a few Evangelicals who either held their noses or didn't vote for him."

If your statement was that quite a few Evangelicals either "held their noses" or "didn't vote for him", then one would expect those numbers to be lower. Given that the numbers are roughly the same from that particular group, at best, that would mean that they were all in the "held their noses" crowd.

Psst. Look at the numbers for Hillary compared to every other Democrat, and compare the totals. It goes from usually 99% reporting to 97%. If anything, it was the other faiths and Hispanic Catholics which sunk her.

Yeah, except that SBC is the 2nd largest Christian denomination in the country, behind Catholicism. And some of the other flavors or evangelicalism are more dominionist than SBC.

57 Million compared to 16 Million. Baptists in general are about 36 Million, meaning that the majority of Baptists are not even SBC, they're simply split up into separate groups.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Commenting whether Pence or Trump is worse is a moot point when comparing them to what could have been the alternative.

Instead of abortion and same sex marriage being the law of the land, abortion and same sex marriage would be the law of the land. Totally different.

 

[Go Braves]

Not in the least bit surprising Trump mocks Pence's Christianity.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Surprising at all that the press suddenly has so much respect for Pence's faith?

 

[Ringo84]

Setting aside Pence's beliefs (which I personally find abhorrent): still think Trump is a heaven-sent "man of God", folks?
Ringo

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Setting aside Pence's beliefs (which I personally find abhorrent)

Let's not set them aside. If you find Pence's beliefs abhorrent, why would you mind if Trump mocked them?

 

[Ringo84]

Let's not set them aside. If you find Pence's beliefs abhorrent, why would you mind if Trump mocked them?

Because regardless of how I feel about Pence, I think it says a lot about Trump and his dedication to so-called "Christian Values (tm)".
Ringo

 

[bhsmte]

Psst. Look at the numbers for Hillary compared to every other Democrat, and compare the totals. It goes from usually 99% reporting to 97%. If anything, it was the other faiths and Hispanic Catholics which sunk her.



57 Million compared to 16 Million. Baptists in general are about 36 Million, meaning that the majority of Baptists are not even SBC, they're simply split up into separate groups.

I would agree. Clinton lost those key rust belt states, because fewer; women, blacks and hispanics voted for her, compared to obama.

 

[samir]

'Did Mike make you pray?' Trump reportedly mocks Pence's 'religiosity'

I guess it should be obvious that Trump is just playing us all. But it's really obvious he doesn't respect Pence, and expects him to be his stooge. I know people have been talking about how Pence would be worse, but I disagree I think it's Trump who is the worst man here. Trump treats Pence like Mr. Burns treats Smithers. I know the media focused on the gay part, but I think underneath it all Trump really thinks probably little of evangelism. It's why I think people should stop superficially trying to pain Trump as a man of faith, and his appearance at the Values Summit really sums him up as a man pandering. From those who have chose Trump, they say they are tired of nice guys well this is what happens when you pick crass guys over nice ones. They treat you as a cheap date.

That article you linked to said Pence’s office said the articles’ claims are “untrue and offensive” so this is fake news to attack our great leader President Trump.

 

[Redac]

"Reportedly"

 

[samir]

"Reportedly"

The report has been shown to be false since Pence would know if Trump mocked him in his presence and he said it wasn't true so it shouldn't be repeated and is definitely not newsworthy.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Figures.