Trinity is wrong.

[&Abel]

your posts contain evidence supporting my theory not yours

 

[Der Alte]

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[SIZE=+1]he sees him doing it through their interconnected spirit[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]Another unsupported assertion. Neither of the passages you posted state or imply this.[/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

Isaiah 63:11
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock?Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]your posts contain evidence supporting my theory not yours

but the problem is you don't understand what your reading[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]
Quote any passage of scripture and show how it supposedly refutes my argument ans supports yours. I'm sure you sincerely believe everything you say but merely asserting it is NOT proving it.[/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

1(A)Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, (B)returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness 2for (C)forty days, being tempted by the devil. And He ate nothing during those days, and when they had ended, He became hungry.



so your basically saying jesus was filled another "person" at this point?

 

[&Abel]

I've proven it already, you refuse to see it though

 

[&Abel]

14And (M)Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and (N)news about Him spread through all the surrounding district. 15And He began (O)teaching in their synagogues and was praised by all.

 

[Der Alte]

16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and (AF)he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "(AG)This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

[SIZE=-1]the holy spirit manifested in full within jesus...gods spirit came from the father into jesus creating a unified connection between the 2[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]This verse does not support your assertion. It does NOT say, "the holy spirit manifested in full within jesus." it says, "the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him," [/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

19So when it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for (AC)fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst and said to them, "(AD)Peace be with you." 20And when He had said this, (AE)He showed them both His hands and His side The disciples then (AF)rejoiced when they saw the Lord.
21So Jesus said to them again, "(AG)Peace be with you; (AH)as the Father has sent Me, I also send you."
22And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.



the gap of sin bridged and the holy spirit flowing forth from jesus into us

 

[&Abel]

[SIZE=+1]This verse does not support your assertion. It does NOT say, "the holy spirit manifested in full within jesus." it says, "the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him," [/SIZE]

21(AB)Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus was also baptized, and while He was (AC)praying, heaven was opened, 22and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, "(AD)You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased."

1(A)Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, (B)returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness

 

[&Abel]

At that very time He rejoiced greatly in the Holy Spirit, and said, "I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight

 

[&Abel]

"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear.

 

[&Abel]

24And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, "O Lord, it is You who (AF)MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM,
25who (AG)by the Holy Spirit, through the mouth of our father David Your servant, said,
'(AH)WHY DID THE [a]GENTILES RAGE,
AND THE PEOPLES DEVISE FUTILE THINGS?
26'(AI)THE KINGS OF THE EARTH TOOK THEIR STAND,
AND THE RULERS WERE GATHERED TOGETHER
AGAINST THE LORD AND AGAINST HIS (AJ)CHRIST.'

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]I've proven it already, you refuse to see it though[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]You have proven nothing. You have posted a bunch of scripture without saying how you think they prove that the Holy Spirit is not a distinct person.

[SIZE=+1]From the earliest days of the church the faithful knew that the Holy Spirit was a distinct person from the Father.

Click link, to Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho; (ca. 150 a.d.) [110-165 AD]

Chapter XXXVI.-He Proves that Christ is Called Lord of Hosts.

For when the rulers of heaven saw Him of uncomely and dishonoured appearance, and inglorious, not recognising Him, they inquired, `Who is this King of glory? 'And the Holy Spirit, either from the person of His Father, or from His own person, answers them, `The Lord of hosts, He is this King of glory.' For every one will confess that not one of those who presided over the gates of the temple at Jerusalem would venture to say concerning Solomon, though he was so glorious a king, or concerning the ark of testimony, `Who is this King of glory? '[/SIZE]​

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[&Abel]

please don't resort to non scripture

I could care less what some guy thinks

I care what the scriptures actually say

 

[&Abel]

[SIZE=+1][SIZE=+1]For when the rulers of heaven saw Him of uncomely and dishonoured appearance, and inglorious, not recognising Him, they inquired, `Who is this King of glory? 'And the Holy Spirit, either from the person of His Father, or from His own person, answers them, `The Lord of hosts, He is this King of glory.' For every one will confess that not one of those who presided over the gates of the temple at Jerusalem would venture to say concerning Solomon, though he was so glorious a king, or concerning the ark of testimony, `Who is this King of glory? '

this actually supports what I'm saying as well
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[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]this actually supports what I'm saying as well.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]And I am not interested in you saying over and over again, "I'm right and you're wrong." Guess we're done here. [/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

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[gort]

[SIZE=+1]Be my guest. That took about 2-3 years to compile in its present form. I borrowed some lists from CARM, ChristianThinkTank and others and I also looked up every reference I could find which mentioned Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost.

I also have a list of every passage which mentions Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. A total of 86.[/SIZE]

So let it be written...

thanx

&Abel quotes:

that looks very impressive when you put it together like that but truth of the matter is that nothing that is said in any of these passages is proving your doctrine correct

On the contrary, it does prove the personage of the HS with all the attributes of God. Why you cannot reconcile this is beyond my comprehension. As there is one unforgiveable sin, our debate is concluded on this matter as I am not comfortable pressing the matter any further with you lest you get angry and say something you ought not to.


Happy trails...

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]you wanna stay blind thats your choice[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]That is one.[/SIZE]