Trinity is wrong.

[ContraMundum]

what kind of name is "The Holy Spirit" anyways

A title.

its almost always referred to as a thing not a person

No, He isn't.

the reason it has a descriptive title is because the holy spirit is exactly what its name says...its the spirit of the most holy

OK....so, where was God during the Baptism of Jesus? With Jesus, with the Dove, or in the voice from Heaven? Or in some combination of them? Think hard about this before you answer.

 

[&Abel]

I've already thought of it I don't have too

the dove descending on jesus was symbolic of the fathers spirit being manifested in full within jesus

think of it like this:

imagine you travelled into the future and met your future self face to face

separate in body and yet both have the same spirit

the father's spirit is no longer bound to the body of the father(if it was ever bound at all)...its flowing through the work of jesus into us

 

[ContraMundum]

I've already thought of it I don't have too

the dove descending on jesus was symbolic of the fathers spirit being manifested in full within jesus

think of it like this:

imagine you travelled into the future and met your future self face to face

separate in body and yet both have the same spirit

the father's spirit is no longer bound to the body of the father(if it was ever bound at all)...its flowing through the work of jesus into us

Chapter, verse, and ancient witnesses please?

 

[gort]

hes partially speaking in the 3rd person and partially calling him "he" because jesus is the holy spirit in a man...and what we have is just the holy spirit(within MEN)

the third manifestation of the holy spirit is in us

the holy spirit IS the father and IS the son and IS whats in us

the holy spirit is what makes the father the father and the son the son and is everything that is good within us as well

With all the personal pronouns that Jesus called the Holy Spirit on so many occasions, why can't we just take the easy way and conclude that Jesus is actually speaking of a separate personage?

 

[nhislove]

Isa.9-6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders, And he will be called Wonderful couselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of peace.

 

[Der Alte]

With all the personal pronouns that Jesus called the Holy Spirit on so many occasions, why can't we just take the easy way and conclude that Jesus is actually speaking of a separate personage?

I agree. The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, has a will, a mind, a distinct self, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).

Some false teaching religions like the Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., say that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is false. If the Holy Spirit were merely an impersonal force or power, then He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph. 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor. 12:11), a self, (Jn 16:13), or a mind, (Rom 8:27).

The truth is there are seventy two (72) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit

1. God -Acts 5:3-4
2. Lord - 2 Cor. 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Cor. 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Heb. 9:14

Attributes of (9)

7. Eternal -Heb. 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalm 139:710
10. Distinct Will from the father and the son– 1 Cor. 12:11
11. Loves - Rom. 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts 8:29; Acts 13:2
13. Distinct Mind from the father and the son – Rom 8:27
14. Distinct Self from the father and the son – John 16:13
15. Alive – John 14:17

Symbols of (3)

16. Dove - Mat 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts 2:3

Sins Against (6)

19. Blasphemy - Mat 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts 7:51
21. Insult - Heb 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts 5:3
23. Grieved - Eph 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thes 5:19

Power in Christ's Life (6)

25. Conceived of - Mat 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Mat 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Rom 8:11

The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)

1 Access to God - Eph 2:18
2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Rom. 8:15-16; Gal 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Pet 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Cor 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts 13:24; Acts 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thes 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2
9 Comforts - Act 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Cor 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Gen 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thes 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Phil 2:1
17 Fills - Acts 2:4; Acts 4:29-31; Acts 5:18-20; Acts 9:17
18 Forbids action - Acts 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Cor. 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Rom 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Rom 8:9-14; Gal 4:6
24 Inspires prayer - Eph 6:18; Jude 20
25 Intercedes -Rom 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Cor 2:1,14; Eph 1:17
27 Leads - Rom 8:14
28 Liberates - Rom 8:2
29 Molds Character - Gal 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Gal 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Rom 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luk 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Rom. 15:16
35 Seals - Eph 1:13-14; Eph 4:30
36 Sends - Acts 13:4 Sent - Gal 4:6; 1 Pet 1:12
37 Sent - Gal 4:6; 1 Pet 1:12
38 Strengthens - Eph 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4; 1 Cor 2:4
39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Rom. 8:2-4; Gal 4:6
41 Warns – Acts 20:23
42 Worship helper - Phi 3:3​

 

[gort]

Very comprehensive post, Der Alter. I should take the easy path and copy it for future use.

10. Distinct Will from the father and the son– 1 Cor. 12:11

1Co 12:11 But the one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing separately to each one as He desires.

13. Distinct Mind from the father and the son – Rom 8:27

Rom 8:27 And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

14. Distinct Self from the father and the son – John 16:13

Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.

 

[Der Alte]

Very comprehensive post, Der Alter. I should take the easy path and copy it for future use.

1Co 12:11 But the one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing separately to each one as He desires.

Rom 8:27 And He searching the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Joh 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of Truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth. For He shall not speak of Himself, but whatever He hears, He shall speak. And He will announce to you things to come.

[SIZE=+1]Be my guest. That took about 2-3 years to compile in its present form. I borrowed some lists from CARM, ChristianThinkTank and others and I also looked up every reference I could find which mentioned Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost.

I also have a list of every passage which mentions Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. A total of 86.[/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

I agree. The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, has a will, a mind, a distinct self, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).

Some false teaching religions like the Jehovah's Witnesses, etc., say that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is false. If the Holy Spirit were merely an impersonal force or power, then He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph. 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor. 12:11), a self, (Jn 16:13), or a mind, (Rom 8:27).

The truth is there are seventy two (72) personal characteristics or attributes, listed in scripture for the Holy Spirit and He is a person the same as the Father and the Son are within the Trinity.

Names of the Spirit

1. God -Acts 5:3-4
2. Lord - 2 Cor. 3:18
3. Spirit - 1 Cor. 2:10
4. Spirit of God - 1 Cor. 3:16
5. Spirit of Truth - John 15:26
6. Eternal Spirit - Heb. 9:14

Attributes of (9)

7. Eternal -Heb. 9:14
8. Omnipotent - Luke 1:35
9. Omnipresent - Psalm 139:710
10. Distinct Will from the father and the son– 1 Cor. 12:11
11. Loves - Rom. 15:30
12. Speaks - Acts 8:29; Acts 13:2
13. Distinct Mind from the father and the son – Rom 8:27
14. Distinct Self from the father and the son – John 16:13
15. Alive – John 14:17

Symbols of (3)

16. Dove - Mat 3:15
17. Wind - John 3:5
18. Fire - Acts 2:3

Sins Against (6)

19. Blasphemy - Mat 12:31
20. Resist (Unbelief) - Acts 7:51
21. Insult - Heb 10:29
22. Lied to - Acts 5:3
23. Grieved - Eph 4:30
24. Quench - 1 Thes 5:19

Power in Christ's Life (6)

25. Conceived of - Mat 1:18-20
26. Baptism - Mat 3:15
27. Led by - Luke 4:1
28. Filled with Power - Luke 4:14,18
29. Witness of Jesus - John 15:26
30. Raised Jesus - Rom 8:11

The Works of the Holy Spirit (42)

1 Access to God - Eph 2:18
2 Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18
3 Assures - Rom. 8:15-16; Gal 4:6
4 Authors Scripture - 2 Pet 1:20-21
5 Baptizes - John 1:32-34; 1 Cor 12:13-14
6 Believers Born of - John 3:3-6
7 Calls and Commissions - Acts 13:24; Acts 20:28
8 Cleanses - 2 Thes 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2
9 Comforts - Act 9:31
10 Communion with believers – 2 Cor 13:14
11 Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14
12 Counsels - John 14:16
13 Creates - Gen 1:2; Job 33:4
14 Empowers - 1 Thes 1:5
15 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49
16 Fellowship with believers – Phil 2:1
17 Fills - Acts 2:4; Acts 4:29-31; Acts 5:18-20; Acts 9:17
18 Forbids action - Acts 16:6
19 Gives gifts - 1 Cor. 12:8-11
20 Glorifies Christ - John 16:14
21 Guides in truth - John 16:13
22 Helps our weakness - Rom 8:26
23 Indwells believers - Rom 8:9-14; Gal 4:6
24 Inspires prayer - Eph 6:18; Jude 20
25 Intercedes -Rom 8:26
26 Interprets Scripture - 1 Cor 2:1,14; Eph 1:17
27 Leads - Rom 8:14
28 Liberates - Rom 8:2
29 Molds Character - Gal 5:22-23
30 Produces fruit - Gal 5:22-23
31 Raises from the dead - Rom 8:11
32 Regenerates - Titus 3:5
33 Reveals – Luk 2:26
34 Sanctifies - Rom. 15:16
35 Seals - Eph 1:13-14; Eph 4:30
36 Sends - Acts 13:4 Sent - Gal 4:6; 1 Pet 1:12
37 Sent - Gal 4:6; 1 Pet 1:12
38 Strengthens - Eph 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4; 1 Cor 2:4
39 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26
40 Victory over flesh - Rom. 8:2-4; Gal 4:6
41 Warns – Acts 20:23
42 Worship helper - Phi 3:3​

that looks very impressive when you put it together like that but truth of the matter is that nothing that is said in any of these passages is proving your doctrine correct

I'll start with 1 Corinthians 12 and when I get home from class I'll go through the list:

1 Corinthians 12

The Use of Spiritual Gifts

1Now concerning (A)spiritual gifts, brethren, (B)I do not want you to be unaware. 2(C)You know that when you were pagans, you were (D)led astray to the (E)mute idols, however you were led.
3Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking (F)by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is (G)accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is (H)Lord," except (I)by the Holy Spirit.
4Now there are (J)varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord.
6There are varieties of effects, but the same (K)God who works all things in all persons.
7But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit (L)for the common good.
8For to one is given the word of (M)wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of (N)knowledge according to the same Spirit;
9to another (O)faith by the same Spirit, and to another (P)gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
10and to another the effecting of (Q)miracles, and to another (R)prophecy, and to another the (S)distinguishing of spirits, to another various (T)kinds of tongues, and to another the (U)interpretation of tongues.
11But one and the same Spirit works all these things, (V)distributing to each one individually just as He wills.
12For even (W)as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, (X)so also is Christ.
13For (Y)by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether (Z)Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to (AA)drink of one Spirit.
14For (AB)the body is not one member, but many.
15If the foot says, "Because I am not a hand, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
16And if the ear says, "Because I am not an eye, I am not a part of the body," it is not for this reason any the less a part of the body.
17If the whole body were an eye, where would the hearing be? If the whole were hearing, where would the sense of smell be?
18But now God has (AC)placed the members, each one of them, in the body, (AD)just as He desired.
19If they were all one member, where would the body be?
20But now (AE)there are many members, but one body.
21And the eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you"; or again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."
22On the contrary, it is much truer that the members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary;
23and those members of the body which we deem less honorable, on these we bestow more abundant honor, and our less presentable members become much more presentable,
24whereas our more presentable members have no need of it. But God has so composed the body, giving more abundant honor to that member which lacked,
25so that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.
26And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it.
27Now you are (AF)Christ's body, and (AG)individually members of it.
28And God has (AH)appointed in (AI)the church, first (AJ)apostles, second (AK)prophets, third (AL)teachers, then (AM)miracles, then (AN)gifts of healings, helps, (AO)administrations, various (AP)kinds of tongues.
29All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
30All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not (AQ)interpret, do they?
31But (AR)earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.

do you not understand what this is saying? the 3rd manifestation of the holy spirit is within the CHURCH of christ

but it is the same ONE spirit within the church that was also manifested in full within christ(hence the dove descending on jesus at baptism)

which is also the same spirit of the father...he is not a force he IS the very personage of the father and the son and all that is good within the body of the church as well

one spirit which is the essence that connects god to all

 

[&Abel]

Romans 8

Deliverance from Bondage

1Therefore there is now no (A)condemnation for those who are (B)in (C)Christ Jesus. 2For (D)the law of the Spirit of life in (E)Christ Jesus (F)has set you free from the law of sin and of death.
3For (G)what the Law could not do, (H)weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in (I)the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
4so that the (J)requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who (K)do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
5For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on (L)the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, (M)the things of the Spirit.
6(N)For the mind set on the flesh is (O)death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,
7because the mind set on the flesh is (P)hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
8and those who are (Q)in the flesh cannot please God.
9However, you are not (R)in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God (S)dwells in you But (T)if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10(U)If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of Him who (V)raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, (W)He who raised (X)Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
13for (Y)if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are (Z)putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14For all who are (AA)being led by the Spirit of God, these are (AB)sons of God.
15For you (AC)have not received a spirit of slavery leading to fear again, but you (AD)have received a spirit of adoption as sons by which we cry out, "(AE)Abba! Father!"
16The Spirit Himself (AF)testifies with our spirit that we are (AG)children of God,
17and if children, (AH)heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, (AI)if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
18For I consider that the sufferings of this present time (AJ)are not worthy to be compared with the (AK)glory that is to be revealed to us.
19For the (AL)anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for (AM)the revealing of the (AN)sons of God.
20For the creation (AO)was subjected to (AP)futility, not willingly, but (AQ)because of Him who subjected it, [b]in hope
21that (AR)the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation (AS)groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now.
23(AT)And not only this, but also we ourselves, having (AU)the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves (AV)groan within ourselves, (AW)waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, (AX)the redemption of our body.
24For (AY)in hope we have been saved, but (AZ)hope that is seen is not hope; for who hopes for what he already sees?
25But (BA)if we hope for what we do not see, with perseverance we wait eagerly for it.

 

[&Abel]

Our Victory in Christ

26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for (BB)we do not know how to pray as we should, but (BC)the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27and (BD)He who searches the hearts knows what (BE)the mind of the Spirit is, because He (BF)intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
28And we know that [c]God causes (BG)all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are (BH)called according to His purpose.
29For those whom He (BI)foreknew, He also (BJ)predestined to become (BK)conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the (BL)firstborn among many brethren;
30and these whom He (BM)predestined, He also (BN)called; and these whom He called, He also (BO)justified; and these whom He justified, He also (BP)glorified.
31(BQ)What then shall we say to these things? (BR)If God is for us, who is against us?
32He who (BS)did not spare His own Son, but (BT)delivered Him over for us all, how will He not also with Him freely give us all things?
33Who will bring a charge against (BU)God's elect? (BV)God is the one who justifies;
34who is the one who (BW)condemns? Christ Jesus is He who (BX)died, yes, rather who was [d](BY)raised, who is (BZ)at the right hand of God, who also (CA)intercedes for us.
35Who will separate us from (CB)the love of [e]Christ? Will (CC)tribulation, or distress, or (CD)persecution, or (CE)famine, or (CF)nakedness, or (CG)peril, or sword?
36Just as it is written,
"(CH)FOR YOUR SAKE WE ARE BEING PUT TO DEATH ALL DAY LONG;
WE WERE CONSIDERED AS SHEEP TO BE SLAUGHTERED."
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly (CI)conquer through (CJ)Him who loved us.
38For I am convinced that neither (CK)death, nor life, nor (CL)angels, nor principalities, nor (CM)things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from (CN)the love of God, which is (CO)in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[&Abel]

I shouldn't even have to go on after that but I will because I believe this TRUTH needs to be surfaced

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]that looks very impressive when you put it together like that but truth of the matter is that nothing that is said in any of these passages is proving your doctrine correct[ . . . ]
do you not understand what this is saying? the 3rd manifestation of the holy spirit is within the CHURCH of christ

but it is the same ONE spirit within the church that was also manifested in full within christ(hence the dove descending on jesus at baptism)[/SIZE][Unsupported assumption!][SIZE=-1]

which is also the same spirit of the father...he is not a force he IS the very personage of the father and the son and all that is good within the body of the church as well

one spirit which is the essence that connects god to all[/SIZE]

[size=+1]Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself [[size=+1]εαυτου[/size]]; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[/size]​

[SIZE=+1]In this verse, Joh 16:13,

• [SIZE=+1]Who does the, “Spirit of truth, himself,” speak from if he is God?[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=+1]Who does the, “Spirit of truth, himself,” hear from if he is God?[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=+1]Who tells the “Spirit of truth, himself,” of things to come in the future, if he is God?[/SIZE][/SIZE]

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]Our Victory in Christ[/SIZE][ . . . ]

[SIZE=+1]I have several Bibles in 4 languages that I read, including Hebrew and Greek. Please do not waste my time with long passages of scripture unless you explain how you think it refutes the point I made in my initial post.[/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

its clear without me saying a word

HE is the spirit of the father and of christ

 

[&Abel]

13"But when He, (R)the Spirit of truth, comes, He will (S)guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.
14"He will (T)glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.
15"(U)All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.



19Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, (P)the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.
20"(Q)For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him (R)greater works than these, so that you will marvel.


he sees him doing it through their interconnected spirit

 

[&Abel]

16After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and (AF)he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him,
17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "(AG)This is [b]My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."


the holy spirit manifested in full within jesus...gods spirit came from the father into jesus creating a unified connection between the 2

 

[&Abel]

eph 4



4There is (I)one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one (J)hope of your calling;
5(K)one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6one God and Father of all (L)who is over all and through all and in all

15but speaking the truth (AJ)in love, we are to (AK)grow up in all aspects into Him who is the (AL)head, even Christ,
16from whom (AM)the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself (AN)in love.



30(BS)Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were (BT)sealed for the day of redemption.


Isaiah 63


7I shall make mention of the (O)lovingkindnesses of the LORD, the praises of the LORD,
According to all that the LORD has granted us,
And the great (P)goodness toward the house of Israel,
Which He has granted them according to His (Q)compassion
And according to the abundance of His lovingkindnesses.
8For He said, "Surely, they are (R)My people,
Sons who will not deal falsely "
So He became their (S)Savior.
9In all their affliction (T)He was afflicted,
And the (U)angel of His presence saved them;
In His (V)love and in His mercy He (W)redeemed them,
And He (X)lifted them and carried them all the days of old.
10But they (Y)rebelled
And grieved His (Z)Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,
He fought against them.
11Then (AA)His people remembered the days of old, of Moses
Where is (AB)He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock?
Where is He who (AC)put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
12Who caused His (AD)glorious arm to go at the right hand of Moses,
Who (AE)divided the waters before them to make for Himself an everlasting name,
13Who led them through the depths?
Like the horse in the wilderness, they did not (AF)stumble;
14As the cattle which go down into the valley,
The Spirit of the (AG)LORD gave them rest
So You (AH)led Your people,
To make for Yourself a glorious name.

 

[Der Alte]

[SIZE=-1]its clear without me saying a word

HE is the spirit of the father and of christ[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]An unsupported assertion which does NOT address any of my posts.[/SIZE]

 

[&Abel]

Psalm 51

And do not take Your (V)Holy Spirit from me.