Trinity is wrong.

[2ducklow]

nope.
a human is a being.
god is a being.
being is a state of existence.
being a tree
being a rock
being god
being human



yes it has a definition that says person is a character and a role. also it defines a corporation a a person also.

this means that the word person is not an absolute term that is equivalent to being. if you let go of that mindset, it will make sense.

So God the father, a person of god isn't a being person he is some other kind of person. In which cace that would mean god the father doesn't exist. And it would mean that the 3 persons of God do not exist and 3 nonexistances make up one god.

here are your choices, and none of them are g ood.

if god the father doesn't exist, then you have 3 nonesixtances that make up one being or existance namely god.

if god the father exists, then you have 3 existances that make up one existance namely god.

If god doesn't exist, and the 3 persons exist, then you got 3 existances that make up a nonexistant entity, namely god.
so you got no good choices at all.


By your opting for god the father being a nonbeing kind of person you have
opted for the choice that god the father, and therefore the other 2 persons of god, do not exist. A being is something that exists, in case you were wondering what a being is. a being it be, it exists

 

[hybrid]

So God the father, a person of god isn't a being person he is some other kind of person.

nope.
it means that god essentially is one. both the source (fatherhood of god/ in the person of the father) and the perfect image of the reflection of the source (sonship / logos) in the person of christ.

it make sense to say that the father is greater than christ. being "only" the expressed image of the father,
and yet christ, being the full expression of god cannot be any less than what he represents.

 

[ContraMundum]

&Abel- learn Greek....or at least get a copy of Vine's or Vincent's word studies or something and learn the difference in grammatical cases when talking about the Holy Spirit.
You're wasting our time by just throwing verses out there and slamming your private and personal interpretation on them. We're not interested in private and personal interpretations (which are really just your opinions)- just exegesis.

Anyway- the Holy Spirit has a name. We baptise in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (three separate nouns). Not the Father, Son and God's impersonal force.

John 16:13 “Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.”

John 14:26:“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

He is a person, and He is God.

 

[&Abel]

he is god alright but hes not a separate person

he is the very person of the father replicated in the son and now given to us

 

[ContraMundum]

he is god alright but hes not a separate person

he is the very person of the father replicated in the son and now given to us

So, again- where was God at the Baptism of Jesus? Speaking from Heaven, "replicated" in the Son or in the form of a Dove? How many replicant Gods are there? (Ever see Blade Runner? LOL)

 

[&Abel]

&Abel- learn Greek....or at least get a copy of Vine's or Vincent's word studies or something and learn the difference in grammatical cases when talking about the Holy Spirit.
You're wasting our time by just throwing verses out there and slamming your private and personal interpretation on them. We're not interested in private and personal interpretations (which are really just your opinions)- just exegesis.

Anyway- the Holy Spirit has a name. We baptise in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (three separate nouns). Not the Father, Son and God's impersonal force.

John 16:13 “Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come.”

John 14:26:“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

He is a person, and He is God.

explain this verse then:

9However, you are not (R)in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God (S)dwells in you But (T)if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10(U)If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of Him who (V)raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, (W)He who raised (X)Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
13for (Y)if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are (Z)putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14For all who are (AA)being led by the Spirit of God, these are (AB)sons of God.



or this one:



17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where (AA)the Spirit of the Lord is, (AB)there is liberty.
18But we all, with unveiled face, (AC)beholding as in a mirror the (AD)glory of the Lord, are being (AE)transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from (AF)the Lord, the Spirit.


or how bout this one:



4For indeed He was (I)crucified because of weakness, yet He lives (J)because of the power of God For we also are (K)weak [a]in Him, yet (L)we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.
5(M)Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; (N)examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you (O)fail the test?
6But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.


I eagerly await your explanation of all these verses

 

[2ducklow]

nope. it means that god essentially is one. both the source (fatherhood of god/ in the person of the father) and the perfect image of the reflection of the source (sonship / logos) in the person of christ.

it make sense to say that the father is greater than christ. being "only" the expressed image of the father,
and yet christ, being the full expression of god cannot be any less than what he represents.

you aren't going to say straight out either "god the father exists" or :"god the father doesn't exist" are you? Do you even know if he does or doesn't exist?

 

[&Abel]

So, again- where was God at the Baptism of Jesus? Speaking from Heaven, "replicated" in the Son or in the form of a Dove? How many replicant Gods are there? (Ever see Blade Runner? LOL)

maybe you just don't understand so I will try to explain again

the father is in heaven...at jesus's baptism the father poured his spirit out into jesus

and jesus paid our penalty of sin bridging the gap allowing for that same spirit to be poured out onto us as well

 

[Bananna]

I wish the translators did not insist on dropping words and adding words when it is not necessary for clarity.

Baptising in the Name of The Father (singular name)
and of the son
and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;
and lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age." Amen.

since it is singular
why not take it as the one True God and Father
Then start the sentence on the next line.

Teaching of the Son and the Spirit to all the nations?

 

[&Abel]

very interesting

heres another passage:

38"You know of (AY)Jesus of Nazareth, how God (AZ)anointed Him with the Holy Spirit and with power, (BA)and how He went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for (BB)God was with Him.

 

[&Abel]

20(AB)Wisdom shouts in the street,
She lifts her voice in the square;
21At the head of the noisy streets she cries out;
At the entrance of the gates in the city she utters her sayings:
22"How long, O (AC)naive ones, will you love being simple-minded?
And (AD)scoffers delight themselves in scoffing
And fools (AE)hate knowledge?
23"Turn to my reproof,
Behold, I will (AF)pour out my spirit on you;
I will make my words known to you.
24"Because (AG)I called and you (AH)refused,
I (AI)stretched out my hand and no one paid attention;
25And you (AJ)neglected all my counsel
And did not (AK)want my reproof;
26I will also (AL)laugh at your (AM)calamity;
I will mock when your (AN)dread comes,
27When your dread comes like a storm
And your calamity comes like a (AO)whirlwind,
When distress and anguish come upon you.
28"Then they will (AP)call on me, but I will not answer;
They will (AQ)seek me diligently but they will not find me,
29Because they (AR)hated knowledge
And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
30"They (AS)would not accept my counsel,
They spurned all my reproof.
31"So they shall (AT)eat of the fruit of their own way
And be (AU)satiated with their own devices.
32"For the (AV)waywardness of the naive will kill them,
And the complacency of fools will destroy them.
33"But (AW)he who listens to me shall live securely
And will be at ease from the dread of evil."

 

[&Abel]

28"Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer.
29"I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have (AM)poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel," declares the Lord GOD.

 

[&Abel]

28"(BM)It will come about after this
That I will (BN)pour out My Spirit on all (BO)mankind;
And your sons and daughters will prophesy,
Your old men will dream dreams,
Your young men will see visions.
29"Even on the (BP)male and female servants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

 

[Bananna]

Abel do you then believe that spirit is alway Holy Spirit and therefore a reference to The Living God? Holy Spirit being the one True God and the reference to the Self of the Father?
Am I making sense?
bananna

 

[&Abel]

it depends on the context

in the passage from Joel its definitely speaking of the holy spirit(self of the father)

 

[Bananna]

Depends on the context then. I know you have been dealing with a lot of scriptures that say: My Holy Spirit, like a title from God's person.

Thanks
bananna

 

[&Abel]

whenever the word speaks of god and his spirit, it is the holy spirit imo(whether it says "his", or "the" or "holy" or "my" or "spirit of holiness") these are all the holy spirit

 

[&Abel]

The Holy Spirit is more then just a title...its describing what it is

the only spirit that could be considered holy...the spirit of god

 

[&Abel]

31"And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship;
32to make designs for working in gold and in silver and in bronze,
33and in the cutting of stones for settings and in the carving of wood, so as to perform in every inventive work.
34"He also has put in his heart to teach, both he and (V)Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.



fruits of the spirit

 

[Der Alte]

31"And He has filled him with the Spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding and in knowledge and in all craftsmanship;
32to make designs for working in gold and in silver and in bronze,
33and in the cutting of stones for settings and in the carving of wood, so as to perform in every inventive work.
34"He also has put in his heart to teach, both he and (V)Oholiab, the son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan.

[SIZE=-1]fruits of the spirit[/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]None of the scriptures you have posted address the scriptures I posted. Nothing you have said addresses anything I posted. How does saying "fruits of the spirit." demonstrate that the Holy Spirit is not a distinct person? See my post on John 16:13 for an example of discussing the meaning of a passage.

I'll check back tomorrow to see if you have done anything beside post passages of scripture. As I said I have several Bibles and I know what they say. Posting series of scriptures without comment mean nothing.[/SIZE]