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7"(I)If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you (J)know Him, and have (K)seen Him." 8(L)Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? (M)He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10"Do you not believe that (N)I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? (O)The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11"Believe Me that (P)I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise (Q)believe because of the works themselves.



now how could the father possibly be IN jesus and jesus IN the father at the same time?....because jesus is the spirit of the father


hes the body of the man with the holy spirit of god
 
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7"(I)If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you (J)know Him, and have (K)seen Him." 8(L)Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
9Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? (M)He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
10"Do you not believe that (N)I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? (O)The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.
11"Believe Me that (P)I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise (Q)believe because of the works themselves.



now how could the father possibly be IN jesus and jesus IN the father at the same time?....because jesus is the spirit of the father

John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us: that the world may believe that thou didst send me.


how can they be in us and we be in them? we certainly are not the spirit of Jesus and the Father.
I'll give you my answer. we are in the father and the son figuratively to the degree that we imbibe the word of god and apply it to our lives, and they are in us literally in that God is a spirit and his spirit indwells us. Likewise Jesus is in the Father figuratively in that he totally imbibed the word of God and applied it to his life, and God is in Jesus literally in that God is a spirit that indwells Jesus.
 
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explain this verse then:

9However, you are not (R)in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God (S)dwells in you But (T)if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him.
10(U)If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of Him who (V)raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, (W)He who raised (X)Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [a]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
12So then, brethren, we are under obligation, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh--
13for (Y)if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are (Z)putting to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
14For all who are (AA)being led by the Spirit of God, these are (AB)sons of God.



or this one:



17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where (AA)the Spirit of the Lord is, (AB)there is liberty.
18But we all, with unveiled face, (AC)beholding as in a mirror the (AD)glory of the Lord, are being (AE)transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from (AF)the Lord, the Spirit.


or how bout this one:



4For indeed He was (I)crucified because of weakness, yet He lives (J)because of the power of God For we also are (K)weak [a]in Him, yet (L)we will live with Him because of the power of God directed toward you.
5(M)Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith; (N)examine yourselves! Or do you not recognize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you--unless indeed you (O)fail the test?
6But I trust that you will realize that we ourselves do not fail the test.


I eagerly await your explanation of all these verses


What's to explain? Take them as read.
 
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I wish the translators did not insist on dropping words and adding words when it is not necessary for clarity.

Baptising in the Name of The Father (singular name)
and of the son
and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;
and lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age." Amen.

since it is singular
why not take it as the one True God and Father
Then start the sentence on the next line.

Teaching of the Son and the Spirit to all the nations?

The Greek grammar does not allow such a distinction. It's quite precise.
 
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22"The (AX)glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; 23(AY)I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that (AZ)You sent Me, and (BA)loved them, even as You have loved Me.
24"Father, I desire that (BB)they also, whom You have given Me, (BC)be with Me where I am, so that they may see My (BD)glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before (BE)the foundation of the world.
25"O (BF)righteous Father, although (BG)the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that (BH)You sent Me;
26and (BI)I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that (BJ)the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them."

I believe the glory being spoken of in this passage is the holy spirit
 
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Well doesn't it have the Father masculine, the Son Masculine and the spirit nuter (sp?)

How does that fit with a sinular masculine verb?

The noun translated as "name" is neuter.
 
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I've discovered some fascinating information concerning jesus and the father

first 2 passages are from Isaiah

6"Thus says the LORD, the (K)King of Israel and his (L)Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
'I am the (M)first and I am the last,
And there is no God (N)besides Me.

7'Who is like Me? (O)Let him proclaim and declare it;
Yes, let him recount it to Me in order,
From the time that I established the ancient nation.
And let them declare to them the things that are coming
And the events that are going to take place.
8'Do not tremble and do not be afraid;
(P)Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it?
And (Q)you are My witnesses
Is there any God (R)besides Me,
Or is there any other (S)Rock?
I know of none.'"

12"Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called;
(W)I am He, (X)I am the first, I am also the last.
13"Surely My hand (Y)founded the earth,
And My right hand spread out the heavens;

When I (Z)call to them, they stand together.
14"(AA)Assemble, all of you, and listen!
(AB)Who among them has declared these things?
The LORD loves him; he will (AC)carry out His good pleasure on (AD)Babylon,
And His arm will be against the Chaldeans.
15"I, even I, have spoken; indeed I have (AE)called him,
I have brought him, and He will make his ways successful.
16"(AF)Come near to Me, listen to this:
From the first I have (AG)not spoken in secret,
(AH)From the time it took place, I was there
And now (AI)the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit."


Calling forth the generations from the beginning? '(L)I, the LORD, am the first, and with the last (M)I am He.'"

Revelation 1

9(AD)I, John, your (AE)brother and (AF)fellow partaker in the tribulation and (AG)kingdom and (AH)perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos (AI)because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10I was [a](AJ)in the Spirit on (AK)the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice (AL)like the sound of a trumpet,
11saying, "(AM)Write in a book what you see, and send it to the (AN)seven churches: to (AO)Ephesus and to (AP)Smyrna and to (AQ)Pergamum and to (AR)Thyatira and to (AS)Sardis and to (AT)Philadelphia and to (AU)Laodicea."
12Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking with me. And having turned I saw (AV)seven golden lampstands;
13and (AW)in the middle of the lampstands I saw one (AX)like [b]a son of man, (AY)clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and (AZ)girded across His chest with a golden sash.
14His head and His (BA)hair were white like white wool, like snow; and (BB)His eyes were like a flame of fire.
15His (BC)feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His (BD)voice was like the sound of many waters.
16In His right hand He held (BE)seven stars, and out of His mouth came a (BF)sharp two-edged sword; and His (BG)face was like (BH)the sun shining in its strength.
17When I saw Him, I (BI)fell at His feet like a dead man And He (BJ)placed His right hand on me, saying, "(BK)Do not be afraid; (BL)I am the first and the last,
18and the (BM)living One; and I (BN)was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have (BO)the keys of death and of Hades.
 
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Revelation 2

Message to Ephesus

1"To the angel of the church in Ephesus write: The One who holds the seven stars in His right hand, the One who walks among the seven golden lampstands, says this: 2'I know your deeds and your toil and perseverance, and that you cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false;
3and you have perseverance and have endured for My name's sake, and have not grown weary.
4'But I have this against you, that you have left your first love.
5'Therefore remember from where you have fallen, and repent and do the deeds you did at first; or else I am coming to you and will remove your lampstand out of its place--unless you repent.
6'Yet this you do have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
7'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'

Message to Smyrna


8"And to the angel of the church in (Q)Smyrna write: (R)The first and the last, who (S)was dead, and has come to life, says this: 9'I know your (T)tribulation and your (U)poverty (but you are (V)rich), and the blasphemy by those who (W)say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of (X)Satan.
10'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be (Y)tested, and you will have tribulation (Z)for ten days Be (AA)faithful until death, and I will give you (AB)the crown of life.
11'(AC)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches (AD)He who overcomes will not be hurt by the (AE)second death.'

Message to Pergamum


12"And to the angel of the church in (AF)Pergamum write: The One who has (AG)the sharp two-edged sword says this: 13'I know where you dwell, where (AH)Satan's throne is; and you hold fast My name, and did not deny (AI)My faith even in the days of Antipas, My (AJ)witness, My (AK)faithful one, who was killed among you, (AL)where Satan dwells.
14'But (AM)I have a few things against you, because you have there some who hold the (AN)teaching of Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, (AO)to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit acts of immorality.
15'So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the (AP)Nicolaitans.
16'Therefore (AQ)repent; or else (AR)I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with (AS)the sword of My mouth.
17'(AT)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches (AU)To him who overcomes, to him I will give some of the hidden (AV)manna, and I will give him a white stone, and a (AW)new name written on the stone (AX)which no one knows but he who receives it.'

Message to Thyatira


18"And to the angel of the church in (AY)Thyatira write: (AZ)The Son of God, (BA)who has eyes like a flame of fire, and His feet are like burnished bronze, says this: 19'(BB)I know your deeds, and your love and faith and service and perseverance, and that your deeds of late are greater than at first.
20'But (BC)I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman (BD)Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they (BE)commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.
21'(BF)I gave her time to repent, and she (BG)does not want to repent of her immorality.
22'Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who (BH)commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of [a]her deeds.
23'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who (BI)searches the minds and hearts; and (BJ)I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.
24'But I say to you, the rest who are in (BK)Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the (BL)deep things of Satan, as they call them--I (BM)place no other burden on you.
25'Nevertheless (BN)what you have, hold fast (BO)until I come.
26'(BP)He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds (BQ)until the end, (BR)TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS;
27AND HE SHALL (BS)RULE THEM WITH A ROD OF IRON, (BT)AS THE VESSELS OF THE POTTER ARE BROKEN TO PIECES, as I also have received authority from My Father;
28and I will give him (BU)the morning star.
29'(BV)He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'

10For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.

26In the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words; 27and He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.


34who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
 
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Unity of the Spirit

1Therefore I, (A)the prisoner of the Lord, (B)implore you to (C)walk in a manner worthy of the (D)calling with which you have been (E)called, 2with all (F)humility and gentleness, with patience, showing tolerance for one another (G)in love,
3being diligent to preserve the unity of the Spirit in the (H)bond of peace.
4There is (I)one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one (J)hope of your calling;
5(K)one Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6one God and Father of all (L)who is over all and through all and in all.
7But (M)to each one of us (N)grace was given (O)according to the measure of Christ's gift.
8Therefore it says,
"(P)WHEN HE ASCENDED ON HIGH,
HE (Q)LED CAPTIVE A HOST OF CAPTIVES,
AND HE GAVE GIFTS TO MEN."
9(Now this expression, "He (R)ascended," what does it mean except that He also had descended into (S)the lower parts of the earth?
10He who descended is Himself also He who ascended (T)far above all the heavens, so that He might (U)fill all things.)
11And He (V)gave (W)some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as (X)evangelists, and some as pastors and (Y)teachers,
12(Z)for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of (AA)the body of Christ;
13until we all attain to (AB)the unity of the faith, and of the (AC)knowledge of the Son of God, to a (AD)mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the (AE)fullness of Christ.
14As a result, we are (AF)no longer to be children, (AG)tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by (AH)craftiness in (AI)deceitful scheming;
15but speaking the truth (AJ)in love, we are to (AK)grow up in all aspects into Him who is the (AL)head, even Christ,
16from whom (AM)the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself (AN)in love.

The Christian's Walk


17(AO)So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, (AP)that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the (AQ)futility of their mind, 18being (AR)darkened in their understanding, (AS)excluded from the life of God because of the (AT)ignorance that is in them, because of the (AU)hardness of their heart;
19and they, having (AV)become callous, (AW)have given themselves over to (AX)sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
20But you did not (AY)learn Christ in this way,
21if indeed you (AZ)have heard Him and have (BA)been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus,
22that, in reference to your former manner of life, you (BB)lay aside the (BC)old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the (BD)lusts of deceit,
23and that you be (BE)renewed in the spirit of your mind,
24and (BF)put on the (BG)new self, which (BH)in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.
25Therefore, (BI)laying aside falsehood, (BJ)SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are (BK)members of one another.
26(BL)BE ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger,
27and do not (BM)give the devil an opportunity.
28He who steals must steal no longer; but rather (BN)he must labor, (BO)performing with his own hands what is good, (BP)so that he will have something to share with one who has need.
29Let no (BQ)unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for (BR)edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.
30(BS)Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were (BT)sealed for the day of redemption.
31(BU)Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be (BV)put away from you, along with all (BW)malice.
32(BX)Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, (BY)just as God in Christ also has forgiven [a]you.
 
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one God and Father of all (L)who is over all and through all and in all.


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f god is strictly numerical one, how can he be in all and through all? that would be irrational.
of course god is omnipresent. so the question is .. is omnipresent a rational attribute of god?.

and some people insists that the nature of god must be rational, pfft
 
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18for through Him we both have (BF)our access in (BG)one Spirit to (BH)the Father.
19So then you are no longer (BI)strangers and aliens, but you are (BJ)fellow citizens with the saints, and are of (BK)God's household,
20having been (BL)built on (BM)the foundation of (BN)the apostles and prophets, (BO)Christ Jesus Himself being the (BP)corner stone,
21(BQ)in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into (BR)a holy temple in the Lord,
22in whom you also are being (BS)built together into a (BT)dwelling of God in the Spirit.


13(U)Food is for the stomach and the stomach is for food, but God will (V)do away with both of them Yet the body is not for immorality, but (W)for the Lord, and (X)the Lord is for the body.
14Now God has not only (Y)raised the Lord, but (Z)will also raise us up through His power.
15(AA)Do you not know that (AB)your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? (AC)May it never be!
16Or (AD)do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, "(AE)THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH."
17But the one who joins himself to the Lord is (AF)one spirit with Him.
18(AG)Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.
19Or (AH)do you not know that (AI)your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that (AJ)you are not your own?
20For (AK)you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in (AL)your body.
 
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