Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[Armoured]

I was learning a lot, but now I'm confused. CERN, the science research center with the particle accelerators is somehow connected to a plot to turn people transgendered, and the New World Order choreographs post sporting event celebrations?

Ask for more info about the transgender robots that are going to take over!

 

[malvina]

I was learning a lot, but now I'm confused. CERN, the science research center with the particle accelerators is somehow connected to a plot to turn people transgendered, and the New World Order choreographs post sporting event celebrations?

yes

 

[Armoured]

yes

...why?...how?

 

[bhsmte]

I think they should only have surgery if they have 2 lots of organs like one of my neighbours once had. If one has perfectly normal organs that should decide what gender they are - but then of course I am not New Age. The aim of The New World Order is for everyone to be transgender as in their display at the World games - and we are on the way there

Here you see everyone turning into transgenders?

Here is the 2nd half

Why don't you start a thread in the conspiracy theory section?

 

[malvina]

we already have one here

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

Gender is a spectrum, not a binary opposition. And the exact content of what we associate with specific gender roles is cultural and arbitrary. Up until the mid-1800s, crying in public was seen as a display of manly passion. Up until 1940-50, hospitals assigned pink to baby boys and blue to girls. And prior to the rise of the middle class and their "angel in the house"-ideal, women were thought of as "the sexual sex", tempting men with their earthy eroticism and keeping them from higher pursuits.

All of that said, most of us are biologically disposed towards identifying with one of the two primary genders associated with our sexual dimorphism, and there is little choice involved in the matter, if any. And in some cases, that disposition does not correspond to the biological sex usually associated with the same. Transgendered people often *know* they do not belong to the gender assigned to them before they are even out of primary school, due to factors beyond the control of parents, society, or even the kids themselves. Gender dysphoria is not a fashion or a choice, nor could you ever turn it into either of those things.

And in case you have some difficulty wrapping your mind around the idea that something can be BOTH socio-cultural AND biological: it's the same with language acquisition. Our languages are pretty much random, self-referential constructs. We aren't born speaking English, or Farsi, or Hungarian - nor would we spontaneously start to speak any of these if we weren't exposed to them by the people around us. BUT: we are genetically disposed towards *acquiring* language, and will seize upon the socio-cultural forms of expression we become familiarized with, making them our own.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

And then, of course, there's genderqueer, genderfluid, non-binary, third-gender, and neutrois people (just to mention a few variations), none of which fall neatly into the binary scheme our culture commonly espouses.

 

[malvina]

Now what's all that about?

 

[David Brider]

The aim of The New World Order is for everyone to be transgender...

Please tell me you're joking...

 

[malvina]

Please tell me you're joking...

Have you done any study of CERN? you should. Shortly, 15th Nov - 15th Dec they are doing the collisions increasing power as it goes. This is The New World Order that worships the God of the Underworld inside the machine with his statue out the front.
They have a plan for the universe and it's not very nice. If you look into it you will know.

 

[razzelflabben]

I don't see what that exactly means, much less what is intrinsically wrong with it... You with me, @razzelflabben ?

I have no clue what it means, but then again, I come to the discussion with an understanding of what is said not the understanding of how others will reinvent what is said.

 

[David Brider]

Now what's all that about?

Genderqueer - a catch-all category for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine.

 

[Armoured]

Have you done any study of CERN? you should. Shortly, 15th Nov - 15th Dec they are doing the collisions increasing power as it goes. This is The New World Order that worships the God of the Underworld inside the machine with his statue out the front.
They have a plan for the universe and it's not very nice. If you look into it you will know.View attachment 165403

Recycling predictions from last month, are we?

 

[razzelflabben]

Yes you are. By saying that society should not treat them the way they would like they are forced back into the box that is mentally unhealthy for them.

If they do go through their transformation, at what stage would you expect to call them by their chosen gender? Or are you always going to call them by their birth gender?

At what point will you stop putting your expectations on them?[/QUOTE]

 

[Armoured]

If they do go through their transformation, at what stage would you expect to call them by their chosen gender? Or are you always going to call them by their birth gender?

At what point will you stop putting your expectations on them?

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What's wrong with calling them what they want to be called?

 

[David Brider]

Have you done any study of CERN? you should. Shortly, 15th Nov - 15th Dec they are doing the collisions increasing power as it goes. This is The New World Order that worships the God of the Underworld inside the machine with his statue out the front.

CERN is a real organisation dedicated to nuclear research. The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, a myth. There's no connection between the two. The statue is of the Hindu god Shiva, presented by the Department of Atomic Energy India. Nothing to do with the Underworld.

(More information on what CERN actually is and does at Wikipedia.)

They have a plan for the universe and it's not very nice. If you look into it you will know.

What do you think CERN's plan for the universe is? It's definitely nothing to do with everyone being transgender.

 

[David Brider]

If they do go through their transformation, at what stage would you expect to call them by their chosen gender? Or are you always going to call them by their birth gender?

Personally, I'm happy to refer to them by whatever pronouns they choose to be referred to. He, she, zie, whatever. It's got little to do with transgender per se, just basic politeness. Same as I'm only comfortable being called "David," and anyone who calls me "Dave" will be told not to.

 

[razzelflabben]

Yes you are. By saying that society should not treat them the way they would like they are forced back into the box that is mentally unhealthy for them.

WHAT I ACTUALLY DID SAY IS THAT IT IS UNREALISTIC TO GO UP TO EVERYONE I MEET IN A GIVEN DAY AND ASK THEM HOW THEY SEE THEMSELVES GENDER WISE SO THAT I KNOW HOW I AM SUPPOSE TO RESPOND TO THEM....I EVEN CLARIFIED THAT POSITION WITH AN ILLUSTRATION.

If they do go through their transformation, at what stage would you expect to call them by their chosen gender? Or are you always going to call them by their birth gender?

according to the lang. we are part of, if I do not change word meanings. (notice I did not say what I personally would do, only what lang. dictates) they are their given gender before transition, during transition they are either male pronoun because it can be used when gender is unknown or it. After transition the noun would change to the chosen gender. That is what the pronouns imply. For example, in our lang. he/his/him refer to a person with male genitals. She/her/ refer to a person with female genitals, it refers to not knowing the gender he is also used when gender is not know. But the real issue is that you keep asking me to ask everyone I meet what gender they want to be called which is an insane argument to make.

Hello, how are you today...foul, before you address me ask what gender I want to go by....
really, that is just crazy talk. More times than not, in everyday life, the issue of gender never comes up, so why would I change the way society closes their eyes to gender in order to make it an issue when your all upset about it being an issue? That doesn't make any sense.

At what point will you stop putting your expectations on them?

What expectations? That is the whole point I am making. There are no expectations, and it is only an issue if you want to be offended by something. If I see you out and about, I treat you exactly like I treat everyone else. It's just like on the forums, I don't enter a conversation by asking everyone what gender they wish to be addressed as before we start talking, that is like crazyness, so crazy in fact, I can't figure out why you would even try to make the argument in your posts...but hey, no skin off my nose, have at it, just not an argument I will buy into. I refuse to ask everyone what gender they want to be called when I meet then on the street or pay for my groceries.

 

[Paulos23]

Have you done any study of CERN? you should. Shortly, 15th Nov - 15th Dec they are doing the collisions increasing power as it goes. This is The New World Order that worships the God of the Underworld inside the machine with his statue out the front.
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That is not what CERN is for....it is for studying exotic matter...

 

[razzelflabben]

Except, for some trans people, they are told they are not what they present themselves as and treated very poorly, including denial of service, denial of housing, denial of medical care, etc.

now who is forcing their opinions, ideas, biases, etc. on others, like myself?! Just because some people treat transgender people poorly doesn't mean everyone does nor does it mean that because I enter a discussion in which you don't like some of the truths I speak that I am one who treats transgender people poorly and your posts judge me and others unfairly and unjustly presumably because you want to make some point. But as you are will aware, judging others without cause is both sinful and against forum rules, so we will assume at this point, you made a mistake.

Which means that, yes, we do need society to stop and recognize that we do need to be respected.

this has nothing at all to do with anything that has been said...wasn't it you that tried to make an issue out of responding to posts, rather than what you are doing here and reinventing an argument so you have something to say?

Some non-trans women have even suffered from society's "you don't look woman enough" approach and been kicked out of places and threatened with force.

We can say the same thing for poor people, minority races, religious minorities, etc. Point being, it is a fact of life that people will be evil to other people. But just because some will be evil doesn't mean that everyone who isn't all goo goo over an issue is evil toward them. In fact, that is a lie that our current society is trying to convince people of. Take the gay marriage issue for example, just because I think that homosexuals who want to get marries should have to call it something other than marriage does not mean I am evil toward them, that I won't serve them, that I won't talk to them, that I will beat them if I get the chance. Rather, it means very simply that I believe the definition of marriage is something that should remain as the word has been defined for centuries, end of story. I can treat homosexual couples kindly and still hold that position. The same applies here. Just because there are some people who treat transgender people poorly doesn't mean that I have to get on the band wagon and promote something I have seen huge problems with as good or else I am kicking and beating you all...come on!!!