Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[katerinah1947]

Hey did you know? GID is a mental disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

Hi,


Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (distress) with the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.[1]

Estimates of the prevalence of gender dysphoria or GID range from a lower bound of 1:2000 (or about 0.05%) in the Netherlands and Belgium[2] to 0.5% in Massachusetts[3] to 1.2% in New Zealand.[4] These numbers are based on those who identify as transgender. It is estimated that about 0.005% to 0.014% of males and 0.002% to 0.003% of females would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, based on current diagnostic criteria.[5] Research indicates people who transition in adulthood are up to three times more likely to be male assigned at birth, but that among people transitioning in childhood the sex ratio is close to 1:1.[6]

GID is classified as a medical disorder by the ICD-10 CM[7] and DSM-5 (called gender dysphoria).[8] Many transgender people and researchers support declassification of GID because they say the diagnosis pathologizes gender variance, reinforces the binary model of gender,[9] and can result in stigmatization of transgender individuals.[8] The official classification of gender dysphoria as a disorder in the DSM-5 may help resolve some of these issues, because the term gender dysphoria applies only to the discontent experienced by some persons resulting from gender identity issues.[8]

The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery.[10]

Hi Again,

Reading it all and trying to figure out again what it all says, look at the biology statements in your posting.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Cool to know! You know what's also cool to know? That GID is a mental disorder!

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

Hi,

Notice in your reference it does not say it is a mental disorder, but you do:
Notice also that the article in the title has an or statement that you are leaving out.

Gender dysphoria or gender identity disorder (GID) is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dysphoria (distress) with the sex and gender they were assigned at birth. Evidence suggests that people who identify with a gender different from the one they were assigned at birth may do so not just due to psychological or behavioral causes, but also biological ones related to their genetics, the makeup of their brains, or prenatal exposure to hormones.[1]

Estimates of the prevalence of gender dysphoria or GID range from a lower bound of 1:2000 (or about 0.05%) in the Netherlands and Belgium[2] to 0.5% in Massachusetts[3] to 1.2% in New Zealand.[4] These numbers are based on those who identify as transgender. It is estimated that about 0.005% to 0.014% of males and 0.002% to 0.003% of females would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, based on current diagnostic criteria.[5] Research indicates people who transition in adulthood are up to three times more likely to be male assigned at birth, but that among people transitioning in childhood the sex ratio is close to 1:1.[6]

GID is classified as a medical disorder by the ICD-10 CM[7] and DSM-5 (called gender dysphoria).[8] Many transgender people and researchers support declassification of GID because they say the diagnosis pathologizes gender variance, reinforces the binary model of gender,[9] and can result in stigmatization of transgender individuals.[8] The official classification of gender dysphoria as a disorder in the DSM-5 may help resolve some of these issues, because the term gender dysphoria applies only to the discontent experienced by some persons resulting from gender identity issues.[8]

The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery.[10]

LOVE,

 

[Butterfly99]

U know exactly what I'm saying.... More than metrosexual but acting homosexual... In plain words acting flamboyant.... Acting in extremes to resemble a dude or acting in extremes to resemble a women...

Well what about transgender people who are biologically female but identify as male? We have a transgender guy in our class. So he doesn't wear makeup and he wears boy clothing, which is mainly just jeans & a shirt. It's not that different from girls clothes. How is that sinful?

 

[Cute Tink]

It's not an illness in the same way you are not a man....

I know I'm not a man.

BTW did you hear? GID is a disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

By the way, didn't you read the links I provided to you? GID is not the name and it isn't because "Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”"

Source.

The only reason why GD is in the DSM is because "To get insurance coverage for the medical treatments, individuals need a diagnosis. The Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders Work Group was concerned that removing the condition as a psychiatric
diagnosis—as some had suggested—would jeopardize access to care."

Why don't you actually quote the DSM5 instead of Wikipedia?

In other words, you are wrong no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

 

[Cute Tink]

I'm simply saying that he still looks like a man - because he IS one

Incorrect.

 

[razzelflabben]

I don't see it as a rebellion, I see it as people trying to be true to themselves. Just because some people think it is wrong doesn't mean it is.

Is it confusing the first time you run into it, but they are people and most just want to be taken for what they are trying to be. I don't see anything wrong with that. Forcing them into a gender that society thinks they are is harmful to the person, and I have seen people tear themselves up trying to 'fit in' where 'society' says they should be. Better they find their own path, even if it offends 'society'.

now, I'm not going to go deeper into this, but this argument is like saying that the person that identifies with being black while white just wants society to stop forcing them to be white.

Quick story, my husband grew up in Nigeria, yes, around black people even though he is white without question. When they would go to market and see other white people he would get scared and hide behind his mother. That doesn't mean that society has any obligation to treat him as if he were black. What it means is that there is an identity issue, just like we all have sooner or later. Now...I am NOT saying you can't make an argument that will stand up, I'm just saying this one isn't it.

 

[Cute Tink]

Well what about transgender people who are biologically female but identify as male? We have a transgender guy in our class. So he doesn't wear makeup and he wears boy clothing, which is mainly just jeans & a shirt. It's not that different from girls clothes. How is that sinful?

Trans men are always forgotten in these arguments. The only thing anyone ever brings up is the absolute horror of someone not "wanting to be male".

 

[Cute Tink]

oh ok well now let's quibble away about semantics so we can ignore the fact that we have people bigotedly pushing for society to embrace and affirm a mental disorder.

Replacing “disorder” with “dysphoria” in the diagnostic label is not only more appropriate and consistent with familiar clinical sexology terminology, it also removes the connotation that the patient is “disordered.”

Source.

It's not a mental disorder.

 

[razzelflabben]

Hi,

The staff here, has asked us not to talk about homosexuality, even in an offhand or in a casual manner. To honor their intent, I will do that, so your first statement, does not even appear to my in my way of thinking now.

Apparently I am one of those people who you refere to as genuine people with gender problems, but Transgender is not a new word per say, it is just a word to try and have a word that fits what I have been going through since 1951 or so.

so you were born in 1951? See, transgenders claim it is something that occurs from birth, so I guess that means you were born in 1951, which begs the question, why not say, since birth? Just saying, that would be less confusing. But then again, that was the question about Jenner celebrating fathers day and you still haven't addressed that issue, so I guess confusion is what you want the whole topic to be.

Also, gender and sex are intewoven in society, like hypothesis and theory are in my profession, and usually all those in each area know what they mean by those terms and those in thier field also know what they mean.

now you are back to society dictated gender roles, which you and others claim are not the issue.

 

[Cute Tink]

But then again, that was the question about Jenner celebrating fathers day and you still haven't addressed that issue, so I guess confusion is what you want the whole topic to be.

I thought you were keeping the Jenner references to be just about her. Now you want them to associate your statements to others?

 

[razzelflabben]

I thought you were keeping the Jenner references to be just about her. Now you want them to associate your statements to others?

huh?????? What the holy heck are you going on about? I suggested that...oh never mind, your not even trying to have a civil discussion, moving on.

 

[Paulos23]

now, I'm not going to go deeper into this, but this argument is like saying that the person that identifies with being black while white just wants society to stop forcing them to be white.

Do you want to force everyone into preset roles at birth? Saying, you where born a man suck it up?

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. Yes, people can think of themselves as black, even change themselves to look black. What is the problem with that?

 

[KarateCowboy]

Because that has the demonstrated best clinical outcome. What part of that is difficult for you?

So then why do they start with psychotherapy?

Where is your source for that statement when even professionals say there is no one size fits all solution like you suggest?


Treatment for a person diagnosed with GID may include psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery. This may include psychological counseling, resulting in lifestyle changes, or physical changes, resulting from medical interventions such as hormonal treatment, genital surgery, electrolysis or laser hair removal, chest/breast surgery, or other reconstructive surgeries. The goal of treatment may simply be to reduce problems resulting from the person's transgender status, for example, counseling the patient in order to reduce guilt associated with cross-dressing, or counseling a spouse to help them adjust to the patient's situation.[36]

Hormone treatment or surgery for GID is somewhat controversial because of the irreversibility of physical changes. Guidelines have been established to aid clinicians. TheWorld Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care are used by some clinicians as treatment guidelines. Others use guidelines outlined in Gianna Israel and Donald Tarver's Transgender Care. Guidelines for treatment generally follow a "harm reduction" model.[37][38][39]

 

[razzelflabben]

Do you want to force everyone into preset roles at birth? Saying, you where born a man suck it up?

who is forcing anyone into a preset role at birth? If you are born black, do you have to "act" black? Of course not. What if you are born with blonde hair, do you have to act blonde? No. Likewise just because you are born with a specific sexual organ doesn't mean you have to act like that gender. Thus, my comment about this argument being lame. Not that you can't find an argument that holds water, just that this one isn't it.

Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. Yes, people can think of themselves as black, even change themselves to look black. What is the problem with that?

No one said anything about trying to change anything...you said that all transgenders want is for society to treat them like the gender they want to be. I said that that was a flawed concept, so now you try to prove me wrong by changing the argument you made...that is very deceptive of you.

 

[Paulos23]

who is forcing anyone into a preset role at birth? If you are born black, do you have to "act" black? Of course not. What if you are born with blonde hair, do you have to act blonde? No. Likewise just because you are born with a specific sexual organ doesn't mean you have to act like that gender. Thus, my comment about this argument being lame. Not that you can't find an argument that holds water, just that this one isn't it. No one said anything about trying to change anything...you said that all transgenders want is for society to treat them like the gender they want to be. I said that that was a flawed concept, so now you try to prove me wrong by changing the argument you made...that is very deceptive of you.

It is not changing the argument at all. What is the difference between being treated as a different race as oppose to a different gender?

You saying this woman should not have changed?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

 

[Armoured]

So then why do they start with psychotherapy?

Where is your source for that statement when even professionals say there is no one size fits all solution like you suggest?


Treatment for a person diagnosed with GID may include psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery. This may include psychological counseling, resulting in lifestyle changes, or physical changes, resulting from medical interventions such as hormonal treatment, genital surgery, electrolysis or laser hair removal, chest/breast surgery, or other reconstructive surgeries. The goal of treatment may simply be to reduce problems resulting from the person's transgender status, for example, counseling the patient in order to reduce guilt associated with cross-dressing, or counseling a spouse to help them adjust to the patient's situation.[36]

Hormone treatment or surgery for GID is somewhat controversial because of the irreversibility of physical changes. Guidelines have been established to aid clinicians. TheWorld Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care are used by some clinicians as treatment guidelines. Others use guidelines outlined in Gianna Israel and Donald Tarver's Transgender Care. Guidelines for treatment generally follow a "harm reduction" model.[37][38][39]

one size DOESN'T fit all. That's the point. Psychotherapy doesn't help some people, where GRT does.

 

[razzelflabben]

It is not changing the argument at all. What is the difference between being treated as a different race as oppose to a different gender?

You saying this woman should not have changed?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/12/us/washington-spokane-naacp-rachel-dolezal-identity/

because you changed the argument to changing your appearance rather than asking society to see you differently...you really don't understand the difference between arguing that society needs to see you differently and your right to change something about your appearance? Seriously, you don't see the difference in the two claims? How are you unable to see the difference, you seem from your posts to be at least of average intelligence, it's not that hard of a difference to understand.

Let me see if I can further help you see the difference between the two claims you make. If your argument is as the first you presented, that society should treat you as you want to be treated, or as you see yourself would be another way to say it, then we have a huge problem because we don't know how you see yourself. Just like my husband was afraid of white people, the average person couldn't tell that it was a skin color issue in order to change how they treated my husband.

On the other hand, your second argument was that we have a right to change our appearance. Now where I might think it foolish to change your skin color or your sexual organs, or even your hair color (my hair has never been colored or permed and rarely ever cut) it is your right, no question about that. And if that achieves what you want society to think about you, I guess that is good (good here being relative), but bottom line, we aren't talking about your rights to or not to change something about yourself, we were talking about society being asked to be forced to treat someone the way they want to be treated rather than the standards that most people with that whatever are treated and want to be treated.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Source.

It's not a mental disorder.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2015/en#/F64.9

Well lookey there. "Gender identity disorder", listed under mental and behavioral disorders.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Source.

It's not a mental disorder.

http://apps.who.int/classifications/icd10/browse/2015/en#/F64.9

Well lookey there. "Gender identity disorder", listed under mental and behavioral disorders.

 

[Red Fox]

How are you unable to see the difference, you seem from your posts to be at least of average intelligence, it's not that hard of a difference to understand.

Is it really necessary to insult someone's intelligence simply because they disagree with you?