Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[razzelflabben]

Hi,

Yes, if my parents had let me have surgery, I would have been roughly 60 years futher along.

but my question is what responsible parent would allow their 5 year old child to demand surgery for something that is working fine? For example, why should any parent allow their 5 year old child to demand that they have plastic surgery to change their ear lobes? Isn't that irresponsible parenting? From news stories, most of society sees that as irresponsible parenting. Especially if the child doesn't seem to show any signs of issues. So, what part of good parenting would have said to the 5 year old you, you don't like the gender you were born with, let's take you to get surgery. Then, if you change your mind again in a few years, we will do it all over again.

I could care less, if we discussed the issue of religion and transgender together or not. The fact that I state that it is, even if you do not disagree with that, a science issue rather than a Religious issue, is very pertinent to everyone.

Hum...purely a science issue...why then all the emotional drama in the discussions of the topic? Wouldn't the emotional drama mean it is more than simply science? But emotional as well? Shall we go into all the other areas it affects and evidence for you that it is much more than science?

And besides your statement of parents being fortune tellers, which is not how it works, much of what you say that is scary may be that to you, but it is also reality.

not even a clue what you are trying to say here.

Also, no one is treated for Gender Dysphoria if there is not a problem.

no clue why you would even bring this up, or what you think it has to do with the discussion.

And no, I have a problem with some of your questions when there are accusations in them, that are unfounded or emotional, when no emotion is called for.

lol, a question that you cannot or will not answer is your problem, not a problem with the question. I'm guessing that you are reading into some of my questions accusations that simply are NOT there. That happens a lot when one reads with emotion but then again, your claim is that the topic is not emotional, just scientific and so you shouldn't be reading me with emotional glasses and thus, no problem with my questions that do not hold accusations that you are reading into them as having.

 

[malvina]

CERN is a real organisation dedicated to nuclear research. The New World Order is a conspiracy theory, a myth. There's no connection between the two. The statue is of the Hindu god Shiva, presented by the Department of Atomic Energy India. Nothing to do with the Underworld. What do you think CERN's plan for the universe is? It's definitely nothing to do with everyone being transgender

(More information on what CERN actually is and does at Wikipedia.)
Why would they want the statue there? and why do they dance to and worship it inside? They have all kinds of aims which Steve Hawking has warned them against. They aim to open the door to the other side and have scientists that have left saying they have 'seen things' there.
This is occultic through and through and with occultic ambitions. There is plenty evidence of this from their own people but no point in going over it soon everyone will know.

 

[David Brider]

and why do they dance to and worship it inside?

What makes you think they dance to and worship it?

They have all kinds of aims which Steve Hawking has warned them against.

What aims? When did Stephen Hawking warn them against those aims? I'd like to see some verifiable quotations from Hawking...

They aim to open the door to the other side and have scientists that have left saying they have 'seen things' there.

Again, something verifiable from ex-employees would be useful. Otherwise, that sounds far to vague and nebulous. As for "opening the door to the other side," no. That's not what they aim to do.

This is occultic through and through and with occultic ambitions.

I'm aware that some people will see images of non-Christian deities - such as Shiva - and think that those images are occultic. But believe me, there's nothing occultic about nuclear research.

There is plenty evidence of this from their own people but no point in going over it soon everyone will know.

If the evidence is there, please present it.

 

[razzelflabben]

"I never said there was anything wrong with it", just that it's "demonic" and "so disturbing I can't even talk about it"

So...let me get this right...you are upset because you took my words out of context, leaving out the word SOME and therefore making it say something it doesn't then accusing me of saying things I didn't and in that you feel justified to lash out at me over things I never said...what surprises me is that you do not understand how inflammatory and evil doing such really is.

So, let's review what I said in context...1. I said absolutely nothing at all about what these people should be called. Thus, when you accuse me of such, it is a false accusation of me and my character. 2. I actually did say that some of it was demonic...but notice the word some. I even repeatedly stressed that I am not saying all of it. In fact, it would be like saying that not all churches believe Jesus is the Christ and you then accusing me of saying that no church believes that Jesus is Christ. IOW's again, you bear false witness of what I said, thus attacking both my post and my character and 3. "so disturbing I can't even talk about it" again, this in context was referring to some of the things I witnessed with my own eyes in the transgender community. It specified not all the community but also specified that it was wider spread than even I thought it was before getting immersed into it. Thus for the third time in one short sentence your taking me out of context bore false witness of both my both and my character.

Now, I have a couple of questions for you....1. why do you think it is wise to take me out of context so that you can bear false witness in a public forum? 2. what do you gain by slandering my posts and my character? and 3. why are you so determined to be offended that you would misrepresent people who are supporting the rights of the transgender community?

 

[razzelflabben]

Personally, I'm happy to refer to them by whatever pronouns they choose to be referred to. He, she, zie, whatever. It's got little to do with transgender per se, just basic politeness. Same as I'm only comfortable being called "David," and anyone who calls me "Dave" will be told not to.

As I said, I am not speaking from my personal preferences on how to handle the situation only on what the lang. dictates. On a personal level, I am very offended when someone asks me to change an entire lang. or word meaning to accommodate them so they aren't offended. That does NOT mean I don't respect their wishes or their choice in pronouns, just that I think it is horrifying to ask that an entire lang. be changed just because a few (relatively speaking) people don't like what the word means.

 

[razzelflabben]

What's wrong with calling them what they want to be called?[/QUOTE]
why would you even ask me this question? I didn't say there was anything wrong with it, I said that if we do not change the meaning of the words, it would be....

 

[malvina]

What makes you think they dance to and worship it?

Hi David, Well you saw them dancing at the opening of the Abyss at the world games? they do the same dance inside there and a film was made of it
Did you not think the 'Opening of the Abyss' related to the occult? It had every symbol and action complete with the giants coming out of the earth with the Antichrist taking the ball 'egg' to the top
of the world. The world games is run by the EU - The New World Order and this was opened at the same time - they used the opening of the World Cup to officially open their Order nothing was hidden a tall.
When I went on CERNS' site, I clicked on their people they all use occultic hand and arm signals. some were even wearing devils horn headdresses

3 q4What aims? When did Stephen Hawking warn them against those aims? I'd like to see some verifiable quotations from Hawking... Steve's warning is on youtube There are several versions of it this is one of them

There are heaps of articles on this Here is one of them
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html



Again, something verifiable from ex-employees would be useful. Otherwise, that sounds far to vague and nebulous. As for "opening the door to the other side," no. That's not what they aim to do.



I'm aware that some people will see images of non-Christian deities - such as Shiva - and think that those images are occultic. But believe me, there's nothing occultic about nuclear research.



If the evidence is there, please present it.

 

[Red Fox]

Please tell me you're joking...

There seems to be a little confusion here, because there are some people who insist that the liberal agenda is to turn everyone gay.

 

[sahjimira]

Many years ago when the homosexuals were really getting vocal I was upset by it. My husband said "I don't know why you're so upset it'll pass, who cares about a few days in the long run, it's nothing" well here we are. A well organized minority will overcome a disorganized majority every time

 

[Belk]

Many years ago when the homosexuals were really getting vocal I was upset by it. My husband said "I don't know why you're so upset it'll pass, who cares about a few days in the long run, it's nothing" well here we are. A well organized minority will overcome a disorganized majority every time

I know! I hate it when minorities refuse to be mistreated and speak up for themselves! Now it seems like everyone is trying to live their own life without being forced to submit to social norms. It is almost as if we live in a country that claims to value freedom.

 

[razzelflabben]

I know! I hate it when minorities refuse to be mistreated and speak up for themselves! Now it seems like everyone is trying to live their own life without being forced to submit to social norms. It is almost as if we live in a country that claims to valuer freedom.

all I will say on the matter is that real freedom does not take away the freedom of one group to accommodate another group. You can interpret that any way you want since that is how this thread works anyway. No explanation or defence will be offered since from experience on this thread both are ignored anyway.

 

[Cute Tink]

now who is forcing their opinions, ideas, biases, etc. on others, like myself?!

What makes you think this has anything to do with you personally? I was talking about society and how a lot of trans people are mistreated by society.

 

[Belk]

all I will say on the matter is that real freedom does not take away the freedom of one group to accommodate another group. You can interpret that any way you want since that is how this thread works anyway. No explanation or defence will be offered since from experience on this thread both are ignored anyway.

Passive aggressive response is passive aggressive.

 

[malvina]

There seems to be a little confusion here, because there are some people who insist that the liberal agenda is to turn everyone gay.

It's not the liberal agenda - but Old Nick! and exactly what was prophesied for these Last Days

 

[Cute Tink]

It's not the liberal agenda

It's not anyone's agenda.

 

[Jane_the_Bane]

all I will say on the matter is that real freedom does not take away the freedom of one group to accommodate another group.

Indeed!
I think this calls for a re-post:

 

[Red Fox]

I know! I hate it when minorities refuse to be mistreated and speak up for themselves! Now it seems like everyone is trying to live their own life without being forced to submit to social norms. It is almost as if we live in a country that claims to value freedom.

I know right?! It is astounding to think that in the year 2015, there are still people living in this country, a country that continuously boasts and brags of its freedom and liberty, who have to daily fight for their own civil rights and also have to fight for equal rights as citizens of this nation. So much for freedom, liberty, and justice for all.

 

[razzelflabben]

What makes you think this has anything to do with you personally? I was talking about society and how a lot of trans people are mistreated by society.

you made the statement after quoting me and misrepresenting what I said, but no worries, I've seen it before and I'm sure I will see it again.

 

[razzelflabben]

Passive aggressive response is passive aggressive.

not passage aggressive at all, if anything, straight up aggressive. I find it horrifying when one group demands the freedom of another so they can declare themselves free to do anything they want. It's simply horrifying and what is even worse in my opinion, it is so anti the Love that the believer is called to have that it hurts. Now, that goes for all groups that try to force their "right to freedom" on another group all the while demanding that the group give up their freedoms to accommodate. But, I'm just repeating myself, moving on.

 

[razzelflabben]

Indeed!
I think this calls for a re-post:

Hum...so when I say this applies to all groups, you misrepresent me and go with this....like I said, it's the rule of thumb on this thread and is disturbing how easily you all twist and manipulate and abuse what is said and think no one cares or that you shouldn't be responsible for your own actions.