Transgender "Inclusive"Language:Where does it end and begin?

[KarateCowboy]

I don't need to be told what a homosexual is this is obvious
I'm not talking about genuine people with gender problems here...but 'transgender' is a New Age word designed to cater for those that choose to try and alter their sex. I say 'try' because they don't they just make themselves look freaky that's all. That Gemma person looks just as much male as she ever did - look at her height, size of feet and shoulders - there's nothing feminine about that
The more the world encourages this the more people will do it because it has become a form of rebellion to society as is indicated in the bible for these Last Days

It's really sad that people actual want to collude with a mental illness. It makes you wonder if they have issues of their own, or just want to inflict more problems in society. It's like they can't do something good, so the simple power of causing problems just makes them happy.

 

[Cute Tink]

It's really sad that people actual want to collude with a mental illness. It makes you wonder if they have issues of their own, or just want to inflict more problems in society. It's like they can't do something good, so the simple power of causing problems just makes them happy.

It's still not a mental illness, no matter how many times you state it.

 

[katerinah1947]

I don't need to be told what a homosexual is this is obvious
I'm not talking about genuine people with gender problems here...but 'transgender' is a New Age word designed to cater for those that choose to try and alter their sex. I say 'try' because they don't they just make themselves look freaky that's all. That Gemma person looks just as much male as she ever did - look at her height, size of feet and shoulders - there's nothing feminine about that
The more the world encourages this the more people will do it because it has become a form of rebellion to society as is indicated in the bible for these Last Days

Hi,

The staff here, has asked us not to talk about homosexuality, even in an offhand or in a casual manner. To honor their intent, I will do that, so your first statement, does not even appear to my in my way of thinking now.

Apparently I am one of those people who you refere to as genuine people with gender problems, but Transgender is not a new word per say, it is just a word to try and have a word that fits what I have been going through since 1951 or so.

Also, gender and sex are intewoven in society, like hypothesis and theory are in my profession, and usually all those in each area know what they mean by those terms and those in thier field also know what they mean.

Outside of us both being in the same profession, if I say to you, I have a theory about this and that, you might revolt, as you are actually noticing that what I say is not a theory in your life, but merely a hypothesis, or a guess in simpler terms.

That same condition of working interdisciplinarianly, exists here. Sex is not gender to everyone, and neither do genetics determine gender to everyone also.

Transgender, to handle the rest of your points, is a Galilo Affair type of issue. In 1900, maybe that was not known. In 1950, it was becoming known. In 2015, it is almost positively determined that it is a Galileo Affair, and not a Religion Affain, in a sense.

For you, The church like many churches, pastors, parisioners do today, think their understanding of God on this issue is clear, becaue they are without error, in what they know of God's view on this issue.

Infallibility, on morals and ethics but also Scripture, are some words used for this.

The Council of Trent pretty much said what most Christians are saying today. If it's in the Bible then I am for it, and the rest of you who disagree with that are just wrong.

Galileo was brought up on charges when the Religious people were numerous enough to also get all the laws passed and handled the way they wanted to handle those laws.

Not all of them, but important enough of them said in thier findings that he is not only contrary to Scriptures in many places, but. But, no one who is not a Priest, or a Bishop, or a scholar is ever right, when it is a scriptural issue, and worse yet, they should not be telling us religious people that we are wrong in the way we say the Bible is written.

They were upset because they knew what the Bible said, and Galileo in essence said No, by the force of my telescope and the work of my predecessors Nicolas Copernicus, the sun does not revolve aroung the earth, here look at Saturn through my telescope.

The one that looked at the evidence, though the telescope, were all convinced that he was right after being horribly upset and angry at first. It took them about an year and a half, to change from what they thought, to what was before their eyes, contrary to those Scriptures.

Still, even with their knowledge, like those who have read all the scientific literature on the Transgerndered, it was not enough, to cause Galileo to not have those words of the testers, say that he is contrary to scripture in many places.

It was not enough for him not to be indicted and sentenced, based upon those words of being contrary to Scripture.

All of that community, barring one to three significant discredited scientists, all essentially are saying that Transgender is a Science Issue.

LOVE,
...Mary Katerina., .... .

 

[lupusFati]

Sigh.

 

[Armoured]

It's really sad that people actual want to collude with a mental illness. It makes you wonder if they have issues of their own, or just want to inflict more problems in society. It's like they can't do something good, so the simple power of causing problems just makes them happy.

The specialist health care professionals disagree with you.

 

[Red Fox]

It's still not a mental illness, no matter how many times you state it.

I guess it makes some people feel better to classify something they do not fully understand or approve of as a mental illness, despite what multiple research studies and professionals say otherwise. I tend to trust those who actually know what they are talking about, like you for instance, who lives this and has studied it thoroughly.

 

[katerinah1947]

wow, you don't get it and you certaining have no clue who I am, but more troubling is you are judging me and my information on your misconceptions of me rather than on the facts which I can't provide as per forum rules.

Hi,

Who you are, in an objective conversation is meritless and off the point.

How logical, and accurate you and your knowledge is is all that counts. You, nor I, nor your credentials, nor mine count.

Also your historical accuracy does not count and neither does mine.

Accuracy, is what counts, and that is all.

Your response could have or should have been, yes, I have read all the scientific literature, on being Transgendered. I know which of it is false, and which of it is true. I have done all of that, and.

And, I have an issue with this scientific study as they did this, and not accomodating this variable would invalidate that particular study. They did not accomodate that variable, thus the study is a not a controlled study, by that error.

You might also say this. When Medicare listed those 20 or more scientific studies, to say that transgender surgury is now a proven remedy, I object to that based on my scientific findings from my own work, that I did.

It is in this report. Here is my report for you to look at. My report and studies invalidate all of those scientists that have been working on trangenderism by this report. Review my report, if you find any errors let me know, for I can find no errors in my own work yet.

Any of those objective responses work. Any other non subjective responses work.

Being Transgender is a Science issue, not a Scriptural Issue.

Being Transgender is also normal Scientifically, not a mental issue.

LOVE,

 

[KarateCowboy]

The specialist health care professionals disagree with you.

You're absolutely right about that apart from being completely wrong.

 

[Red Fox]

I can understand your feelings The reason there is so much dissension is because this is a Christian forum and most Christians adhere to the word of God. The Word completely rejects homosexuality as a perverted sin. There are people that are born with undecided gender but this New Age has brought in a lot of people that want to change sex as a form of rebellion to His Word. It has become a New Age fashion created by The New World Order. There is bound to be dissension among Christians in this situation as we have Christians that adhere to The Word and some that are leaning towards The New Age

No, there is discord and dissension because there are Christians in this thread who are not, under any circumstances, treating other Christians or non-Christians how they would like to be treated, let alone loving their neighbor, which would be demonstrate the love and mercy of Christ. Disagreements notwithstanding, these Christians can still treat other people with respect and compassion, even if they disagree with each other. There is no excuse for being rude and treating other people with disrespect.

 

[KarateCowboy]

No, there is discord and dissension because there are Christians in this thread who are not, under any circumstances, treating other Christians or non-Christians how they would like to be treated, let alone loving their neighbor, which would be demonstrate the love and mercy of Christ. Disagreements notwithstanding, these Christians can still treat other people with respect and compassion, even if they disagree with each other. There is no excuse for being rude and treating other people with disrespect.

Hey, did you know you're standing up for a mental disorder?

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

 

[KarateCowboy]

It's still not a mental illness, no matter how many times you state it.

It's not an illness in the same way you are not a man....

BTW did you hear? GID is a disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

 

[Armoured]

You're absolutely right about that apart from being completely wrong.

Feel free to provide citations here, although you've already said your claims are based on "common sense " rather than, you know, clinical data.

 

[Armoured]

It's not an illness in the same way you are not a man....

BTW did you hear? GID is a disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

Disorder =/= "mental illness", per se.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Feel free to provide citations here, although you've already said your claims are based on "common sense " rather than, you know, clinical data.

Hey did you know? GID is a mental disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

 

[katerinah1947]

You're absolutely right about that apart from being completely wrong.

Hi,

If you are Catholic as your statement of faith says, are you aware of the Official Position of The Catholic Church is on being Transgendered?

Are you aware that no one has been able to find John Nortons references that he stated existed years ago.

Are you aware that John Norton is a newpaper editor? And, are you using the non Official position of the Catholic Church in your thoughts, or primarily believing the one or two discredited (meaning they lied on this issue and were caught by the other scientists, comparing apples to oranges and then pushing that off on people not in science as proof of thier statements), scientists, rather than all the ones who have not been discredited on this issue?

If you are listening to Paul McHugh, or anyone who actually used OSV, a Catholic Newspaper as their understanding on being transgendered, then your sources are inaccurate.

If you do not take this, being a Catholic, as a possible Galileo Affair, after reviewing the workd used against Galileo so that you actually know what was said, as another possbilbe Galileo type of Affair, in which the church made a huge error in, then you are making a mistake.

LOVE,

 

[KarateCowboy]

Disorder =/= "mental illness", per se.

oh ok well now let's quibble away about semantics so we can ignore the fact that we have people bigotedly pushing for society to embrace and affirm a mental disorder.

 

[Armoured]

Hey did you know? GID is a mental disorder

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

Yes, and?

 

[malvina]

quote
You seem to misunderstand the purpose of transition. However, many people don't "make themselves look freaky", but I do kno
w women who are tall, have large feet and broad shoulders. I'm sure they will appreciate that you think they are freaky and masculine.

I'm simply saying that he still looks like a man - because he IS one

 

[KarateCowboy]

Hi,

If you are Catholic as your statement of faith says, are you aware of the Official Position of The Catholic Church is on being Transgendered?

Are you aware that no one has been able to find John Nortons references that he stated existed years ago.

Are you aware that John Norton is a newpaper editor? And, are you using the non Official position of the Catholic Church in your thoughts, or primarily believing the one or two discredited (meaning they lied on this issue and were caught by the other scientists, comparing apples to oranges and then pushing that off on people not in science as proof of thier statements), scientists, rather than all the ones who have not been discredited on this issue?

If you are listening to Paul McHugh, or anyone who actually used OSV, a Catholic Newspaper as their understanding on being transgendered, then your sources are inaccurate.

If you do not take this, being a Catholic, as a possible Galileo Affair, after reviewing the workd used against Galileo so that you actually know what was said, as another possbilbe Galileo type of Affair, in which the church made a huge error in, then you are making a mistake.

LOVE,

Cool to know! You know what's also cool to know? That GID is a mental disorder!

Gender identity disorder
Gender identity disorder or gender dysphoria is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who experience significant dyspho…
Wikipedia
ICD-10F64.9.f, F64.8.f
ICD-9302.85
MEDLINEPLUS001527

 

[Armoured]

oh ok well now let's quibble away about semantics so we can ignore the fact that we have people bigotedly pushing for society to embrace and affirm a mental disorder.

Because that has the demonstrated best clinical outcome. What part of that is difficult for you?