Tools far pre date man, evolution theory kicked in face

[dad]

I don't see the see the "need" to satisfy unsatisfiable conspiracy blather.

Whatever you see we better see a proper experiment, rather than an Oprey style show for TV.

I don't know that man did help the isolated group of chimps, nor do I know they didn't. We need to know details. Funding. Scientific rigor in place or not...etc.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Whatever you see we better see a proper experiment, rather than an Oprey style show for TV.

I don't know that man did help the isolated group of chimps, nor do I know they didn't. We need to know details. Funding. Scientific rigor in place or not...etc.

Then by all means, fund a proper scientific experiment.

 

[davedajobauk]

Why guess? As if there really was any doubt men made them. Probably post flood.

That would of-course, conflict, with the excavation findings....
FACTS: # Found in sediment, which was covered by # subsequent lava flows # and two polar reversals

Possibility remains, that they were manufactured PRE FLOOD​

dave

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, I thought you might hazard a guess (or two)
as to what, or, who WAS responsible for their manufacture

Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

 

[davedajobauk]

Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

Yes, thank you AV1611VET... that is, something, to think about ....
although we are considering 'stone' ... a predecessor, to brass and iron

dave

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, thank you AV1611VET... that is, something, to think about ....
although we are considering 'stone' ... a predecessor, to brass and iron

dave

Correct.

If metalwork was invented as early as Genesis 4, think when stonework was invented.

Probably by Adam himself.

 

[davedajobauk]

Correct.

If metalwork was invented as early as Genesis 4, think when stonework was invented.

Probably by Adam himself.

Maybe a "day" (or two) earlier, than that (rhetorical)

 

[AV1611VET]

Maybe a "day" (or two) earlier, than that (rhetorical)

-- Good one!

 

[dad]

Then by all means, fund a proper scientific experiment.

You admit that the film was no one then. OK. We should not base our life on staged productions.

 

[dad]

That would of-course, conflict, with the excavation findings....
FACTS: # Found in sediment, which was covered by # subsequent lava flows # and two polar reversals

Possibility remains, that they were manufactured PRE FLOOD​

dave

After the flood was when a lot of sediment existed, and also after that, I assume was when a lot of volcanoes happened. (The earth had land masses moved fast, that means some heat)

 

[dad]

Correct.

If metalwork was invented as early as Genesis 4, think when stonework was invented.

Probably by Adam himself.

Could be. There is also the possibility God taught us some things. Like how to sacrifice a lamb, make a fur coat etc. Either way, metal and stone work was here as you pointed out from the start.

 

[dad]

Genesis 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.

That would put the stone at the very dawn of life on earth in the geo column I think. Maybe. However I looks like crude work, which leads me to suspect some folks were doing it on the move.

 

[davedajobauk]

That would put the stone at the very dawn of life on earth in the geo column I think.
Maybe.
However I looks like crude work, which leads me to suspect some folks were doing it on the move.

Is that 'more rudimentary' than say: doing it, whilst standing-still ?



dave

 

[dad]

Is that 'more rudimentary' than say: doing it, whilst standing-still ?



dave

As opposed to intelligent man in a city making those tools in Ina factory there. After the flood, for example, man was on the move. Many hunted and foraged as they went. To make some tools on the fly doesn't mean that was the best tools man could make a st the time, any more than a make shift shelter out camping today is the best housing one could make.

 

[davedajobauk]

Finding a suitabl;e

As opposed to intelligent man in a city making those tools in Ina factory there. After the flood, for example, man was on the move. Many hunted and foraged as they went. To make some tools on the fly doesn't mean that was the best tools man could make a st the time, any more than a make shift shelter out camping today is the best housing one could make.

Finding a suitable 'core' (to begin with) was a matter of knowledge aforethought... ~knowing, where to-look
Anything, less-than perfect, would, have a been a waste of effort
One could consider it, the work of an apprentice / the not-quite 'expert'



dave

 

[dad]

Finding a suitabl;e


Finding a suitable 'core' (to begin with) was a matter of knowledge aforethought... ~knowing, where to-look
Anything, less-than perfect, would, have a been a waste of effort
One could consider it, the work of an apprentice / the not-quite 'expert'



dave

No. That would be speculation based on the assumption we came from monkey men! When I see cave art that is simple, I figure it was likely kids doodling, not some monkey like dumb almost human.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

It's not about a species having definitely existed, it's a theory.

It's a hypothesis. So is evolution. A hypothesis is not promoted to a theory until it is tested.

 

[davedajobauk]

No. That would be speculation based on the assumption we came from monkey men! When I see cave art that is simple, I figure it was likely kids doodling, not some monkey like dumb almost human.

I made, no mention of "monkey men" (you did)
When I made mention, of 'ancestors' (above) did I mention 'sub-humans' ? (no, I didn't)

I am guessing, but, I really feel, that we need, a different view of the 'clock'
in order to understand the chronology of history > back before it could be recorded, in writings
Somewhat more difficult to ascertain, is apparent

I never did get 'a handle' upon the mention, of, "Ezekiels Wheels" did you ?
and if I understand my 'history' correctly.... The wheel, was invented .......... when ?

dave

 

[dad]

I made, no mention of "monkey men" (you did)
When I made mention, of 'ancestors' (above) did I mention 'sub-humans' ? (no, I didn't)

yes I did. That is because they claim apes are our ancestors, and we came from them...or some ape like ancestor or whatever bull they prefer.

I am guessing, but, I really feel, that we need, a different view of the 'clock'
in order to understand the chronology of history > back before it could be recorded, in writings
Somewhat more difficult to ascertain, is apparent

The clock? Is anyone supposed to know what this means besides you?

I never did get 'a handle' upon the mention, of, "Ezekiels Wheels" did you ?

Yes.

and if I understand my 'history' correctly.... The wheel, was invented .......... when ?

Why do you ask? Should we also wonder if chariots had wheels? You seem to like to talk as if you are saying something when you are saying nothing.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Let me get this straight. Because a bird was seen with a branch, that means that birds pioneered housing?

The issue here is flaking rocks into tools. Not some monkey woman at the wrong time of month grabbing a large twig to impale someone with!

You should not minimize the housing skills of birds.