This is the question I have!

[AV1611VET]

Simplest solution is often the best one, which means that they didn't live together at the same time. And an even better solution: there was no Flood.

Anything else I can't help you with, feel free to ask.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What reputation?! Who do you think I am? I'm a nobody, in every sense of the word. I have no reputation to speak of.

Seriously: the entire premise of dinosaurs coexisting with man at the same time as the Noahic Flood only leads to the conclusion that we should find human fossils mixed with dinosaur fossils. We don't find that, in any sense, nor any creatures that we know didn't live with dinosaurs either mixed in with dinosaur fossils.

Simplest solution is often the best one, which means that they didn't live together at the same time. And an even better solution: there was no Flood.

There could have been some sort of large localized "flood," or repeated floods, that left a lasting impression in the memories of Middle Eastern (i.e. Mesopotamian) peoples that was memed into their cultural traditions.

At least, this is what I think. And I don't try to hornshoe it into an overall, descriptive scientific view of the world. It's just a singular meme that sits there to ponder over when studying ANE topics.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There could have been some sort of localized "flood," or repeated floods, that left a lasting impression in the memories Middle Eastern (i.e. Mesopotamian) peoples that was memed into their cultural traditions.

That's the general consensus for the origin of the story, I do believe.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Anything else I can't help you with, feel free to ask.

You wish you could help with anything...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's the general consensus for the origin of the story, I do believe.

Yep. I think it's cogent, and not merely because it's "consensus."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yep. I think it's cogent, and not merely because it's "consensus."

I do not care for the semantics.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I do not care for the semantics.

I wasn't criticizing. I was just commenting. I'm not AV and I'm not really here to jab folks, just to discuss. (I only get testy when folks challenge me without due academic care.)

 

[Kylie]

We do -- just not intermingled.

So we see them together, they're just not together?

Tell me, AV, did that make sense to you when you were writing it?

 

[Kylie]

Suit yourself.

What then should we expect to see in the fossil record?

Dinosaur bones intermixed with human bones?

Not a foot apart; not ten feet apart; not a mile apart -- intermixed?

If they lived together, yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

If they lived together, yes.

Really?

Would YOU live in an area populated by dinosaurs?

And if so, would you expect your bones to be found by archaeologists in the future?

Or would you get eaten up, and your bones never found?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Really?

Would YOU live in an area populated by dinosaurs?

And if so, would you expect your bones to be found by archaeologists in the future?

Or would you get eaten up, and your bones never found?

This really reminds me of the people who freak out that bears, wolves and coyotes and such still prowl around places humans live in.

It's got nothing to do with what people want. If a dinosaur wants to move around, a dinosaur will move around.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's got nothing to do with what people want. If a dinosaur wants to move around, a dinosaur will move around.

Surely you don't think humans move around with them, do you?

Just waiting to die, so their bones can be mixed in with dinosaur bones?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Surely you don't think humans move around with them, do you?

Just waiting to die, so their bones can be mixed in with dinosaur bones?

You're the one who claims that dinosaurs lived with humans, not I.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're the one who claims that dinosaurs lived with humans, not I.

That is correct.

But they didn't have a common graveyard, where all dinosaurs and humans were buried.

In fact, humans buried each other.

Dinosaurs, well, they just laid there on the surface.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That is correct.

But they didn't have a common graveyard, where all dinosaurs and humans were buried.

In fact, humans buried each other.

Dinosaurs, well, they just laid there on the surface.

Except that, in a situation like a global flood, which would see all sorts of animals and beings, including humans and dinosaurs brought together because of the massive deluges of water, they should be found together.

But we don't see that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Except that, in a situation like a global flood, which would see all sorts of animals and beings, including humans and dinosaurs brought together because of the massive deluges of water, they should be found together.

Here we go again.

But we don't see that.

I know you don't.

And for sanitary and safety reasons, neither did anyone else.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Here we go again.



I know you don't.

And for sanitary and safety reasons, neither did anyone else.

Yes, we're more than aware of your claim that God cleaned everything up and meticulously and carefully sorted every single fossil of every creature in separate layers embedded with age to make it look like each various group of lifeforms lived in distinct and varied epochs of life for no other reason than because you say so.

No-one else has to buy that tripe you're peddling, and don't get annoyed when people question it as the malarkey we see it for.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, we're more than aware of your claim that God cleaned everything up and meticulously and carefully sorted every single fossil of every creature in separate layers embedded with age to make it look like each various group of lifeforms lived in distinct and varied epochs of life for no other reason than because you say so.

I'd hate to see your kitchen.

Do you have bones lying everywhere? are your countertops green with bacteria?

Is your table lying on its side? windows broken and the refrigerator door left open?

Must smell in there.

No-one else has to buy that tripe you're peddling, and don't get annoyed when people question it as the malarkey we see it for.

Did Noah step off the Ark into this:

... or this:

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'd hate to see your kitchen.

Do you have bones lying everywhere? are your countertops green with bacteria?

Is your table lying on its side? windows broken and the refrigerator door left open?

Must smell in there.

Not even in the same level of a problem as anything regarding the Flood.

Did Noah step off the Ark into this:

... or this:

Since I don't believe nor accept that the Flood happened as an actual event, I'd say neither, but from all descriptive events... since he landed on Mount Ararat, it'd be a rocky plateau overlooking the former.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not even in the same level of a problem as anything regarding the Flood.

You got that right.

Your kitchen would look like a palace, compared to the earth's landscape at the end of the Flood.

Since I don't believe nor accept that the Flood happened as an actual event, I'd say neither,

That's convenient.

You want to tell me how my interpretation is "tripe," but then conveniently retreat into your world of "I don't believe ..." when I challenge you.

... but from all descriptive events... since he landed on Mount Ararat, it'd be a rocky plateau overlooking the former.

That's cute.

Apparently you don't want to discuss this, do you?