This is the question I have!

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

You got that right.

Your kitchen would look like a palace, compared to the earth's landscape at the end of the Flood.

Since the Flood didn't happen... yes.

That's convenient.

You want to tell me how my interpretation is "tripe," but then conveniently retreat into your world of "I don't believe ..." when I challenge you.

Because your interpretation relies on bad post hoc logic regarding science and a deeply flawed personal interpretation of the Bible. And the only challenge is when anyone tries to get a solid answer from you.

That's cute.

Apparently you don't want to discuss this, do you?

I am discussing it. You just don't like the questions.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because your interpretation relies on bad post hoc logic regarding science and a deeply flawed personal interpretation of the Bible.

Then fix it for me.

Tell me how a dove flew out into these conditions:

... and came back with an olive leaf in her mouth.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then fix it for me.

Tell me how a dove flew out into these conditions:

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... and came back with an olive leaf in her mouth.

Because it's a story. It's not a true event.

Or, conversely, God gave the dove that Noah sent an olive branch that He himself miraculously grew in one single spot for the purpose of showing Noah that his covenant with God still stood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because it's a story. It's not a true event.

Or, conversely, God gave the dove that Noah sent an olive branch that He himself miraculously grew in one single spot for the purpose of showing Noah that his covenant with God still stood.

Neat.

Then what happened?

Noah got off the Ark, sunk to his waste in waste, and was told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth"?

All that scientific knowledge you have stored in your brain, and you can't even see beyond the door of the Ark.

That's what raw science does to a person.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Neat.

Then what happened?

Noah got off the Ark, sunk to his waste in waste, and was told to "be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth"?

All that scientific knowledge you have stored in your brain, and you can't even see beyond the door of the Ark.

That's what raw science does to a person.

Did you miss the bit where I said: "Because it's a story. It's not a true event."?

I don't accept nor believe the Flood to be a true event, but since you do, you're the one who invites these sorts of questions, not I.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you miss the bit where I said: "Because it's a story. It's not a true event."?

I'd hate to see your version of the story, if you had to come up with one in Literature class.

Then, on second thought, I would like to see it.

I don't accept nor believe the Flood to be a true event,

That's your prerogative.

But, for crying out loud, show a modicum of understanding; whether you believe it or not.

I don't believe Humpty Dumpty was real, but if someone truly believed it was, and told me the wall he sat on was the Great Wall of China, at least I would understand where he's coming from.

And I could see on the other side of that wall.

You apparently can't even see outside the door of the Ark.

... but since you do, you're the one who invites these sorts of questions, not I.

I'm not afraid to invite questions.

Are you?

At least show enough understanding to even know what to ask.

And if your science gets in the way that badly, don't use your mental block to call someone else's beliefs "tripe."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'd hate to see your version of the story, if you had to come up with one in Literature class.

Then, on second thought, I would like to see it.

Why would I do that?

That's your prerogative.

But, for crying out loud, show a modicum of understanding; whether you believe it or not.

I don't believe Humpty Dumpty was real, but if someone truly believed it was, and told me the wall he sat on was the Great Wall of China, at least I would understand where he's coming from.

I do understand your position. But I also don't agree with it. Understanding does not equal agreement.

I'm not afraid to invite questions.

But you're often afraid to answer them.

Are you?

All the time! Though I hardly ever do get asked questions, sadly.

At least show enough understanding to even know what to ask.

And if your science gets in the way that badly, don't use your mental block to call someone else's beliefs "tripe."

It's not 'my science' that gets in the way. It's my believe in God that does not allow me to accept him as the deceiver that your claims paint Him out to be.

 

[River Jordan]

Yes, we're more than aware of your claim that God cleaned everything up and meticulously and carefully sorted every single fossil of every creature in separate layers embedded with age to make it look like each various group of lifeforms lived in distinct and varied epochs of life for no other reason than because you say so.

No-one else has to buy that tripe you're peddling, and don't get annoyed when people question it as the malarkey we see it for.

And it has no basis in scripture either.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And it has no basis in scripture either.

Hence why I call it tripe.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Because it's a story. It's not a true event.

Or, conversely, God gave the dove that Noah sent an olive branch that He himself miraculously grew in one single spot for the purpose of showing Noah that his covenant with God still stood.

I don't think we should write the 'Big-O-Flood' motif off the script of plausible prehistory simply because there's no evidentially obvious smoking gun for a specific biblical version of that ancient narrative.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't think we should write the 'Big-O-Flood' motif off the script of plausible prehistory simply because there's no evidentially obvious smoking gun for a specific biblical version of that ancient narrative.

No, I'm calling the Noahic Flood, i.e. the Global Flood, as in the Flood that spanned the entire literal globe as AV and others of his ilk ascribe to as just a story.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

No, I'm calling the Noahic Flood, i.e. the Global Flood, as in the Flood that spanned the entire literal globe as AV and others of his ilk ascribe to as just a story.

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

It does get a little annoying how some folks seem to anachronistically think people groups of the A.N.E. perceived the 'earth' as a sphere, let alone a sphere that could be utterly flooded.

Nevertheless, I take the Noah narrative as a prophetic lesson.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I'm calling the Noahic Flood, i.e. the Global Flood, as in the Flood that spanned the entire literal globe as AV and others of his ilk ascribe to as just a story.

Does all 1% of the population of the earth who are deists agree with you?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Does all 1% of the population of the earth who are deists agree with you?

Appeal to majority? Really?

You wouldn't really care anyway, would you?

 

[dlamberth]

I don't think we should write the 'Big-O-Flood' motif off the script of plausible prehistory simply because there's no evidentially obvious smoking gun for a specific biblical version of that ancient narrative.

It's a script that has no truth of fact written in the Earth itSelf. I see no wiggle room there.

 

[timothyu]

This really reminds me of the people who freak out that bears, wolves and coyotes and such still prowl around places humans live in.

Really? I see them all the time passing through the property

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Really? I see them all the time passing through the property

Yeah, but there's many people who do freak out. Enough to know that such people do exist.

 

[timothyu]

Yeah, but there's many people who do freak out.

They freak out over politicians too. No surprise that they are so emotionally fragile. Self interest does that to a person.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

It's a script that has no truth of fact written in the Earth itSelf. I see no wiggle room there.

That may be the case, but not every event or person who has lived is "written" in the Earth itself. So, I tend not to think this particular criterion you're suggesting carries enough significance to serve as a test for historicity all by itself. If anything, it's a mere heuristic you're relying on.

If you want to use it for your own worldview, go ahead. But I think there is place for interpreting some small amount of wiggle room within this topic, even if the possible wiggling is only a worm's worth.

 

[dlamberth]

That may be the case, but not every event or person who has lived is "written" in the Earth itself. So, I tend not to think this particular criterion you're suggesting carries enough significance to serve as a test for historicity all by itself. If anything, it's a mere heuristic you're relying on.

If you want to use it for your own worldview, go ahead. But I think there is place for interpreting some small amount of wiggle room within this topic, even if the possible wiggling is only a worm's worth.

My reply was specifically directed towards the 'Big-O-Flood' part of your comment and not towards every event or person.