This is the question I have!

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

What flood waters?

Noah's flood waters?

Where'd those waters go?

And did they take anything with them?

You're desperate to try and not understand, aren't you?

If so, you're doing a good job.

Mightn't it be because your job depends on it?

I love how when asked a pertinent question which you can't answer, you default to a strange personal attack.

I work retail. This is nothing more than a time waster for me.

 

[AV1611VET]

I love how when asked a pertinent question which you can't answer, you default to a strange personal attack.

I work retail. This is nothing more than a time waster for me.

Speaking of wasting time, let me say, for the kth time why you won't find Flood debris lying around the earth:

God cleaned the mess up, taking the water and all its "floaties" off the earth.

He did this for safety and sanitary reasons.

So yes -- you're right -- the Flood waters mixed all the human and dinosaur bones together.

But then they left earth for elsewhere.

Something you can't understand.

After the Flood, the dinosaurs went one way, and the humans another.

Yet you insist I should believe they should be found in the fossil record intermixed.

It makes for good academics, but poor theology.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Speaking of wasting time, let me say, for the kth time why you won't find Flood debris lying around the earth:

God cleaned the mess up, taking the water and all its "floaties" off the earth.

He did this for safety and sanitary reasons.

So yes -- you're right -- the Flood waters mixed all the human and dinosaur bones together.

But then they left earth for elsewhere.

Something you can't understand.

After the Flood, the dinosaurs went one way, and the humans another.

Yet you insist I should believe they should be found in the fossil record intermixed.

It makes for good academics, but poor theology.

And all of this is nothing more than a post hoc claim from you to try and mesh science and your reading of the Bible together. It's an example of terrible theology from you.

And the claim of dinosaurs existing at the same time as humans during the Flood leaves us with no reason but to assume that dinosaur bones should be found alongside humans.

Because, in the end and as always, your entire premise does nothing but make God out to be deceptive.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because, in the end and as always, your entire premise does nothing but make God out to be deceptive.

Coming from someone who doesn't understand, and would probably lose his reputation if he tried to, I feel for you.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Coming from someone who doesn't understand, and would probably lose his reputation if he tried to, I feel for you.

What reputation?! Who do you think I am? I'm a nobody, in every sense of the word. I have no reputation to speak of.

Seriously: the entire premise of dinosaurs coexisting with man at the same time as the Noahic Flood only leads to the conclusion that we should find human fossils mixed with dinosaur fossils. We don't find that, in any sense, nor any creatures that we know didn't live with dinosaurs either mixed in with dinosaur fossils.

Simplest solution is often the best one, which means that they didn't live together at the same time. And an even better solution: there was no Flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

Simplest solution is often the best one, which means that they didn't live together at the same time. And an even better solution: there was no Flood.

Anything else I can't help you with, feel free to ask.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

What reputation?! Who do you think I am? I'm a nobody, in every sense of the word. I have no reputation to speak of.

Seriously: the entire premise of dinosaurs coexisting with man at the same time as the Noahic Flood only leads to the conclusion that we should find human fossils mixed with dinosaur fossils. We don't find that, in any sense, nor any creatures that we know didn't live with dinosaurs either mixed in with dinosaur fossils.

Simplest solution is often the best one, which means that they didn't live together at the same time. And an even better solution: there was no Flood.

There could have been some sort of large localized "flood," or repeated floods, that left a lasting impression in the memories of Middle Eastern (i.e. Mesopotamian) peoples that was memed into their cultural traditions.

At least, this is what I think. And I don't try to hornshoe it into an overall, descriptive scientific view of the world. It's just a singular meme that sits there to ponder over when studying ANE topics.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There could have been some sort of localized "flood," or repeated floods, that left a lasting impression in the memories Middle Eastern (i.e. Mesopotamian) peoples that was memed into their cultural traditions.

That's the general consensus for the origin of the story, I do believe.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Anything else I can't help you with, feel free to ask.

You wish you could help with anything...

 

[2PhiloVoid]

That's the general consensus for the origin of the story, I do believe.

Yep. I think it's cogent, and not merely because it's "consensus."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yep. I think it's cogent, and not merely because it's "consensus."

I do not care for the semantics.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I do not care for the semantics.

I wasn't criticizing. I was just commenting. I'm not AV and I'm not really here to jab folks, just to discuss. (I only get testy when folks challenge me without due academic care.)

 

[Kylie]

We do -- just not intermingled.

So we see them together, they're just not together?

Tell me, AV, did that make sense to you when you were writing it?

 

[Kylie]

Suit yourself.

What then should we expect to see in the fossil record?

Dinosaur bones intermixed with human bones?

Not a foot apart; not ten feet apart; not a mile apart -- intermixed?

If they lived together, yes.

 

[AV1611VET]

If they lived together, yes.

Really?

Would YOU live in an area populated by dinosaurs?

And if so, would you expect your bones to be found by archaeologists in the future?

Or would you get eaten up, and your bones never found?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Really?

Would YOU live in an area populated by dinosaurs?

And if so, would you expect your bones to be found by archaeologists in the future?

Or would you get eaten up, and your bones never found?

This really reminds me of the people who freak out that bears, wolves and coyotes and such still prowl around places humans live in.

It's got nothing to do with what people want. If a dinosaur wants to move around, a dinosaur will move around.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's got nothing to do with what people want. If a dinosaur wants to move around, a dinosaur will move around.

Surely you don't think humans move around with them, do you?

Just waiting to die, so their bones can be mixed in with dinosaur bones?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Surely you don't think humans move around with them, do you?

Just waiting to die, so their bones can be mixed in with dinosaur bones?

You're the one who claims that dinosaurs lived with humans, not I.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're the one who claims that dinosaurs lived with humans, not I.

That is correct.

But they didn't have a common graveyard, where all dinosaurs and humans were buried.

In fact, humans buried each other.

Dinosaurs, well, they just laid there on the surface.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That is correct.

But they didn't have a common graveyard, where all dinosaurs and humans were buried.

In fact, humans buried each other.

Dinosaurs, well, they just laid there on the surface.

Except that, in a situation like a global flood, which would see all sorts of animals and beings, including humans and dinosaurs brought together because of the massive deluges of water, they should be found together.

But we don't see that.