There remains no evidence of Trump-Russia collusion.

[KCfromNC]

"We have to investigate the President to find out what the crime is."

You'll have to ask the special prosecutor appointed to investigate the Trump admin's exact plans, but I doubt he'd tell you until after indictments are ready. Which kinda makes this whole thread pointeless - why would you expect someone in the middle of an active investigate to brief you personally on exactly what he's doing?

 

[KCfromNC]

Trump is also not even being investigated, it's people that were surrounding him during his campaign.

The Senate Intelligence Committee asked Treasury to look into this finances.

 

[KCfromNC]

I never said that they should stop it. I'm simply pointing out that those who think that the Russians hacked the election and Trump is going to be impeached are living in Alex Jones territory.

Yeah, you've been doing this all along. Before Trump fired the FBI director for looking too closely into this. Before a special prosecutor was appointed. Before Trump invited Russian spies into the oval office for closed door meetings. Before a bunch of damning evidence about Flynn came out. Before the news broke that Kushner is a focus of the investigation.

But keep telling yourself this is all a liberal conspiracy.

If they were to actually achieve their game, it would be the end of the Republic. Not because Trump is great or anything related to him. It'd be the end because the Republicans would escalate the situation next time around, as the Democrats have in revenge for Obama, etc. The president who could survive a full term without being forced out would become the exception, and not the rule. This is my real fear. It wouldn't happen over night, and it may not happen in our lifetime, but we would be on the fast track to either a collapse or a new civil war.

You've been reading too much alt-right propaganda.

But you should make up your mind - either this is a pointless witch hunt and it'll end with a lot of disappointed liberals or Trump's is really going be removed from office but shouldn't be because he's too big to fail. Pick one or the other.

 

[JGG]

I would think that just Michael Flynn all by himself counts as some evidence.

 

[mark46]

Jared Kushner just went to the front of the line - how does one forget to record a meeting the Russian ambassador in Trump Tower when applying for a security clearance?

"I just forgot" is the same excuse that National Security Advisor General Flynn and current Attorney Jeff Sessions are also trying to peddle for their failure to inform the government of their meetings with the same Russian ambassador!

Meeting with the Russians isn't a crime for Kushner.

Kushner didn't list all his meeting with foreigners and leave out Russian meetings. He simply didn't fill out the page at all, and then contacted the gov and told them that it he would add some.

Kushner is the head of the line for getting information. It seems very unlikely that he will be prosecuted.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a man who said he's not a Trump supporter and said he voted for Hillary Clinton 'very proudly,' explained why the investigation of President Trump is nonsense:

Also see this article:
Dershowitz: I Voted for Hillary But Trump Faces 'Kangaroo Court'

 

[JGG]

Lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a man who said he's not a Trump supporter and said he voted for Hillary Clinton 'very proudly,' explained why the investigation of President Trump is nonsense:

Also see this article:
Dershowitz: I Voted for Hillary But Trump Faces 'Kangaroo Court'

Well if a man of such integrity as Alan Dershowitz says it, it can only be the truth.

 

[DaisyDay]

Lawyer Alan Dershowitz, a man who said he's not a Trump supporter and said he voted for Hillary Clinton 'very proudly,' explained why the investigation of President Trump is nonsense:

Also see this article:
Dershowitz: I Voted for Hillary But Trump Faces 'Kangaroo Court'

Are you familiar with Alan Dershowitz? And NewsMax?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Are you familiar with Alan Dershowitz? And NewsMax?

Why do you ask?

 

[Fantine]

Firstly, it's meaningless to say "nothing has been found" when the investigation hasn't been concluded. If they had found everything at the outset, there wouldn't need to be an investigation.

As far as political blowback from politically motivated "witch hunt" investigations, there didn't seem to be any blowback for the Republicans regarding the Benghazi and Email witch hunts, so, i'm not sure why you think this would be any different.

A suit filed by Benghazi survivors against Hillary was dismissed yesterday.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

A suit filed by Benghazi survivors against Hillary was dismissed yesterday.

So the claim that she was "directly responsible" was rejected. She didn't order the terrorists to attack the embassy, so in that sense she wasn't "directly responsible."

 

[DaisyDay]

Exclusive: Trump son-in-law had undisclosed contacts with Russian envoy - sources

FBI investigators are examining whether Russians suggested to Kushner or other Trump aides that relaxing economic sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump, said the current U.S. law enforcement official.

The head of Russian state-owned Vnesheconombank, Sergei Nikolaevich Gorkov, a trained intelligence officer whom Putin appointed, met Kushner at Trump Tower in December. The bank is under U.S. sanctions and was implicated in a 2015 espionage case in which one of its New York executives pleaded guilty to spying and was jailed.

The bank said in a statement in March that it had met with Kushner along with other representatives of U.S. banks and business as part of preparing a new corporate strategy.

Officials familiar with intelligence on contacts between the Russians and Trump advisers said that so far they have not seen evidence of any wrongdoing or collusion between the Trump camp and the Kremlin. Moreover, they said, nothing found so far indicates that Trump authorized, or was even aware of, the contacts.

There may not have been anything improper about the contacts, the current law enforcement official stressed.​

So there's some concern over Kushner's meetings with Kislyak and Gorkov - and his failure to mention these meetings on his SF-86 questionnaire (for security clearance).

This brings up the question that since the FBI had an interest in these contacts, ought Kushner to have advised the president to fire the director or was there a conflict of interest?

 

[Rion]

Exclusive: Trump son-in-law had undisclosed contacts with Russian envoy - sources

FBI investigators are examining whether Russians suggested to Kushner or other Trump aides that relaxing economic sanctions would allow Russian banks to offer financing to people with ties to Trump, said the current U.S. law enforcement official.

The head of Russian state-owned Vnesheconombank, Sergei Nikolaevich Gorkov, a trained intelligence officer whom Putin appointed, met Kushner at Trump Tower in December. The bank is under U.S. sanctions and was implicated in a 2015 espionage case in which one of its New York executives pleaded guilty to spying and was jailed.

The bank said in a statement in March that it had met with Kushner along with other representatives of U.S. banks and business as part of preparing a new corporate strategy.

Officials familiar with intelligence on contacts between the Russians and Trump advisers said that so far they have not seen evidence of any wrongdoing or collusion between the Trump camp and the Kremlin. Moreover, they said, nothing found so far indicates that Trump authorized, or was even aware of, the contacts.

There may not have been anything improper about the contacts, the current law enforcement official stressed.​

So there's some concern over Kushner's meetings with Kislyak and Gorkov - and his failure to mention these meetings on his SF-86 questionnaire (for security clearance).

This brings up the question that since the FBI had an interest in these contacts, ought Kushner to have advised the president to fire the director or was there a conflict of interest?

The Alleged Kushner–Kislyak Meeting: Amateur Hour May Be Worse Than ‘Collusion’

In principle, as stressed by Trump national-security adviser H. R. McMaster, there is nothing wrong with the concept of back channels. All administrations use them. See, for instance, John Hinderaker’s report on President Obama’s establishment of a back channel with the Iranian regime in 2008, when it was already clear Obama would be the next president and when his pre-inauguration signaling to the mullahs undermined the Bush administration, just as the Obama administration no doubt felt undermined by Trump’s transition outreach to Putin. The United States and Russia are global competitors with large nuclear arsenals and some important mutual interests. It is often desirable for adversaries to maintain open lines for frank communication beneath all of their public posturing. Obama certainly seemed to think so when, in his infamous hot-mic mishap, he beseeched Putin factotum Dmitry Medvedev to let Vlad know he’d have “more flexibility” to accommodate Russia on missile defense after the 2012 election was over.

Until last fall, national-security conservatives were ridiculed for agitating about Russia. So it is with back channels, which the media-Democrat complex were not bothered by until a Republican was elected president. To be sure, the structure of the back channel that Kushner undertook to forge is troubling — if, that is, the reporting about it is accurate. That reporting, it must be noted,is based on anonymous Washington Post sources, whom the New York Times has said its own anonymous sources have not been able to corroborate.

The problem is having him as an advisor, period. He's roughly my age, with no diplomatic experience.

 

[cow451]

The Alleged Kushner–Kislyak Meeting: Amateur Hour May Be Worse Than ‘Collusion’

In principle, as stressed by Trump national-security adviser H. R. McMaster, there is nothing wrong with the concept of back channels. All administrations use them. See, for instance, John Hinderaker’s report on President Obama’s establishment of a back channel with the Iranian regime in 2008, when it was already clear Obama would be the next president and when his pre-inauguration signaling to the mullahs undermined the Bush administration, just as the Obama administration no doubt felt undermined by Trump’s transition outreach to Putin. The United States and Russia are global competitors with large nuclear arsenals and some important mutual interests. It is often desirable for adversaries to maintain open lines for frank communication beneath all of their public posturing. Obama certainly seemed to think so when, in his infamous hot-mic mishap, he beseeched Putin factotum Dmitry Medvedev to let Vlad know he’d have “more flexibility” to accommodate Russia on missile defense after the 2012 election was over.

Until last fall, national-security conservatives were ridiculed for agitating about Russia. So it is with back channels, which the media-Democrat complex were not bothered by until a Republican was elected president. To be sure, the structure of the back channel that Kushner undertook to forge is troubling — if, that is, the reporting about it is accurate. That reporting, it must be noted,is based on anonymous Washington Post sources, whom the New York Times has said its own anonymous sources have not been able to corroborate.

The problem is having him as an advisor, period. He's roughly my age, with no diplomatic experience.

The best defense for the administration is stupidity. Priceless.

 

[super animator]

The best defense for the administration is stupidity. Priceless.

Which is hilarious if you think about it.

 

[cow451]

Which is hilarious if you think about it.

Not so much since it's true.

 

[super animator]

Not so much since it's true.

We literally have a manifestation of a joke for a president it seems.

 

[DaisyDay]

The Alleged Kushner–Kislyak Meeting: Amateur Hour May Be Worse Than ‘Collusion’

In principle, as stressed by Trump national-security adviser H. R. McMaster, there is nothing wrong with the concept of back channels. All administrations use them. See, for instance, John Hinderaker’s report on President Obama’s establishment of a back channel with the Iranian regime in 2008, when it was already clear Obama would be the next president and when his pre-inauguration signaling to the mullahs undermined the Bush administration, just as the Obama administration no doubt felt undermined by Trump’s transition outreach to Putin. The United States and Russia are global competitors with large nuclear arsenals and some important mutual interests. It is often desirable for adversaries to maintain open lines for frank communication beneath all of their public posturing. Obama certainly seemed to think so when, in his infamous hot-mic mishap, he beseeched Putin factotum Dmitry Medvedev to let Vlad know he’d have “more flexibility” to accommodate Russia on missile defense after the 2012 election was over.

Until last fall, national-security conservatives were ridiculed for agitating about Russia. So it is with back channels, which the media-Democrat complex were not bothered by until a Republican was elected president. To be sure, the structure of the back channel that Kushner undertook to forge is troubling — if, that is, the reporting about it is accurate. That reporting, it must be noted,is based on anonymous Washington Post sources, whom the New York Times has said its own anonymous sources have not been able to corroborate.

The problem is having him as an advisor, period. He's roughly my age, with no diplomatic experience.

Senior advisor, the sensible, moderate, rational one.

Well, that was sort of the platform Trump ran on - elect Trump, he has no experience in government whatsoever. If the idea was to dismantle it (rather than to govern well or wisely), he does seem to be going at it steadily, so props.

 

[Rion]

Senior advisor, the sensible, moderate, rational one.

Well, that was sort of the platform Trump ran on - elect Trump, he has no experience in government whatsoever. If the idea was to dismantle it (rather than to govern well or wisely), he does seem to be going at it steadily, so props.

The problem isn't even that you need people who are experienced in government. You need people who have the talents that can translate into whatever role they are taking in the government. If you get someone who knows what they're doing, but isn't part of the political machine, they can often do better than someone who is an old hand at government, since they will tend to think outside of the figurative box, while having the skills to implement their ideas.

 

[DaisyDay]

Meeting with the Russians isn't a crime for Kushner.

Except he might have violated the "one president at a time" policy the US has by negotiating terms, or even attempting to, with agents of a foreign government while Obama was still president.

Kushner didn't list all his meeting with foreigners and leave out Russian meetings. He simply didn't fill out the page at all, and then contacted the gov and told them that it he would add some.

These were not casual meetings. Leaving them off the SF-86 is technically a felony, but it is unlikely that he will be prosecuted for this.

Kushner is the head of the line for getting information. It seems very unlikely that he will be prosecuted.

That depends entirely on what information comes up. It's still too soon to say.