There is no Hell!

[spiritlead]

You keep pointing to me like I am the only person who believes this way; as I said in an earlier there are thousand of people like me and we have no Pope, Bishop or Religious HQ in Springfield MO or any other place. Our head is Christ; our leadership is the spirit of truth. This movement has been going on as far back as I know but orthodox has done everything they can to suppress it. AS far as God forcing someone; He sure is going to force them in an eternal hell if you are right. But actually God does force people in my words; but let me give you His Words.

Romans 3:11

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God​

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws
(drag Greek) him, and I will raise him up at the last day​

1670 helkuo (hel-koo'-o); drag ​

Show me where we are saved by choice? ​

​

I beleive this way Ben

 

[Ben12]

Then can you explain why in Luke 15 and 16 we have five stories in a row, spoken one after the other, and they're all parables except that one? He was giving them parables of the Kingdom.

Amen

 

[GuardianShua]

The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money. Now what do you think of that? was'nt that clever? Do you have any relatives you want to buy out of hell?

 

[IisJustMe]

Hell was introduced to generate money.

 

[GuardianShua]

The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money. Now what do you think of that? was'nt that clever? Do you have any relatives you want to buy out of hell?

 

[Ben12]

Amen as well as to appease the pagan religions in the Christian area to intermingle paganism with Christianity. By the way don’t believe us just do a search on the internet.

Look at the word Easter and is origins:


Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5. Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6. And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
(KJV)


EASTER

pascha ^3957^, mistranslated "Easter" in <Acts 12:4>, KJV, denotes the Passover (RV). The phrase "after the Passover" signifies after the whole festival was at an end. The term "Easter" is not of Christian origin. It is another form of Astarte, one of the titles of the Chaldean goddess, the queen of heaven. The festival of Pasch held by Christians in post-apostolic times was a continuation of the Jewish feast, but was not instituted by Christ, nor was it connected with Lent. From this Pasch the pagan festival of "Easter" was quite distinct and was introduced into the apostate Western religion, as part of the attempt to adapt pagan festivals to Christianity. See PASSOVER.
(from Vine's Expository Dictionary of Biblical Words)
(Copyright (C) 1985, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

BAAL (ba'-al (ba`al; or Baal): The Babylonian Belu or Bel, "Lord," was the title of the supreme god among the Canaanites.

 

[Brucea]

The rich man is symbolic of the House of Judah...

Purple is the color of royalty. Fine linen stands for righteousness in this instance the righteousness of the law, established by the priests and Levites who, dressed in white linen, officiated in the sacrifices and ceremonies of the nation. The rich man was "clothed in purple and fine linen." Those who are in purple are rulers. The rich man was a ruler. And Jesus never uttered His parables or sermons concerning someone away off in Siberia or China. He spoke to and of the Jews, the church of His day. Judah was the royal tribe, and purple is the color pertaining to royalty. The kingdom of Judah had the ministry of the priesthood - clothed in fine linen. The whole nation, in fact, was called to be a kingdom of priests unto God (Ex. 19:6). By this language Christ was making His meaning very clear to the Pharisees.

This rich man "fared sumptuously every day." But this is not talking about natural food. The Jewish nation was the favorite of heaven - rich in the mercies and blessings of the Lord. No nation in the history of time had been so highly favored as the house of Judah. They had the elaborate sacrificial service of the great and glorious temple in Jerusalem. They had the scriptures, the holy law and covenant of Yahweh. They had the oracles of God, the prophets. They were rich in covenants and promises, rich in the word of God that had been delivered to them. Judah was, indeed, a RICH MAN - with the very riches from the hand of God - rich in oil and wine, rich in doctrine, rich in word, rich in history of holy men, rich in ritual and pomp and ceremony. Ah - how rich he was! Paul spoke exultantly of this vast wealth possessed by Judah, saying, "For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh: who are Israelites; to whom pertains the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever" (Rom. 9:3-5).

The final factor identifying the rich man is the fact that he had "five brothers." "I pray therefore father ABRAHAM, that you would send him to my father's house: for I have FIVE BRETHREN; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment" (Lk. 16:27-28). He mentions the fact that his brethren were five in number. But why five? If this is not a parable we can hardly see the reason why the number of his brethren should be so definitely enumerated. If it is a parable then the number given is as symbolic, and significant, as any other item in the story. Naturally we ask who are these five brethren. The rich man is a son of ABRAHAM, through Isaac and Jacob, and you have only to read through the lists of the offspring of Abraham to find out who it was that had five brethren. "Now the sons of Jacob were twelve: the sons of Leah; Reuben, Jacob's first born, and Simeon, and Levi, and Judah, and Issachar, and Zebulun: the sons of Rachel; Joseph, and Benjamin: and the sons of Bilhah, Rachel's handmaid; Dan, and Naphtali: and the sons of Zilpah, Leah's handmaid; Gad, and Asher: these are the sons of Jacob, which were born to him in Padan-aram" (Gen. 35:22-26). This passage plainly reveals that JUDAH had five brethren. Jacob's first wife was Leah, and of Leah were born Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, and Zebulun. These were all full-blood brothers. Judah was one of Leah's six sons. He had five brethren! So when this rich man says, "I've got five brethren," it identifies who he is! If this telling detail has no significance for modern evangelists who preach from this parable, let me assure you that it meant a great deal to those to whom Jesus was speaking, because they knew their history, they held great pride in their ancestry, they knew who their brethren were, they knew exactly who He was talking about! It established to them the identity of the rich man Judah, the southern kingdom of the Jews!

Taken from an article by J Preston Eby.

This is a lot of man made reasoning. There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof is destruction!

A man can not take a verse and say I think it means this.... Your false doctrine is built this way.

You are trying to deny the truth. This is no parable here. Jesus called this man out by name! If what you say is true we have to believe Jesus told fables!

Why you are claiming there was no rich man and no Lazarus, is so you can deny the facts that the great Teacher Himself taught.

There is a hell where there is a flame that does not consume!!

Jesus said and also spoke of the place where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. Yes, the fire will not go out!

There was a burning bush in the OT that was not consumed!!!

Judah was a kingdom and it was never referred to as one having 5 brothers.

Someone has truly pulled this true story that Jesus told completely out of context!

Jesus story left in context makes sense when you leave Revelation in context of the lake of fire burning forever and ever. Yes, with a punioshment that will not end!!

Bruce A

 

[IisJustMe]

Amen as well as to appease the pagan religions in the Christian area to intermingle paganism with Christianity. By the way don’t believe us just do a search on the internet.

Gee, what choice do think I'll make?

 

[Ben12]

This is a lot of man made reasoning. There is a way that seems right unto a man but the end thereof is destruction!

A man can not take a verse and say I think it means this.... Your false doctrine is built this way.

You are trying to deny the truth. This is no parable here. Jesus called this man out by name! If what you say is true we have to believe Jesus told fables!

Why you are claiming there was no rich man and no Lazarus, is so you can deny the facts that the great Teacher Himself taught.

There is a hell where there is a flame that does not consume!!

Jesus said and also spoke of the place where the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched. Yes, the fire will not go out!

There was a burning bush in the OT that was not consumed!!!

Judah was a kingdom and it was never referred to as one having 5 brothers.

Someone has truly pulled this true story that Jesus told completely out of context!

Jesus story left in context makes sense when you leave Revelation in context of the lake of fire burning forever and ever. Yes, with a punioshment that will not end!!

Bruce A

Clearly it is written, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23). There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST. The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam. But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order." There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age (web ed. note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order." But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.

 

[Tavita]

Gee, what choice do think I'll make?[/color]

Come on IisJustMe.. the Bible doesn't tell you the history of the scriptures from the time they were written, now do they, or how man has changed it into what he wants it to say. You need to study up on Church history AND the history of the scripture translations for that.

 

[GuardianShua]

The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money. Now what do you think of that? was'nt that clever? Do you have any relatives you want to buy out of hell? This guy is doing the pee pee dance, while waiting for this guy to get done chanting. Who do you worship? Who is your Pope = Father, or Master = Masonic, or Rabbi = Teacher. "Holy Father" is a name title for God, not any man.

 

[SoundCard]

And my not being Catholic kind of makes the whole point moot.

 

[Ben12]

And my not being Catholic kind of makes the whole point moot.

agreed

 

[Zecryphon]

The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money. Now what do you think of that? was'nt that clever? Do you have any relatives you want to buy out of hell? This guy is doing the pee pee dance, while waiting for this guy to get done chanting. Who do you worship? Who is your Pope = Father, or Master = Masonic, or Rabbi = Teacher. "Holy Father" is a name title for God, not any man.

"The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money."

It was so the Popes, who were staunchly opposed to the Bible being translated into any language the common people could understand, changed words to make money off of the sale of Bibles? This is what you're telling us? Please. When did the Popes become capitlaists? It certainly wasn't in the 16th-century when Pope Leo X wanted Martin Luther dead because he and his buddies translated the Bible into German.

"Now what do you think of that?"

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Ben12]

"The reason words were changed in our bibles from grave or pit, and other like words, was for the Catholic Popes to make money."

It was so the Popes, who were staunchly opposed to the Bible being translated into any language the common people could understand, changed words to make money off of the sale of Bibles? This is what you're telling us? Please. When did the Popes become capitlaists? It certainly wasn't in the 16th-century when Pope Leo X wanted Martin Luther dead because he and his buddies translated the Bible into German.

"Now what do you think of that?"

I think you don't know what you're talking about.

Luther had a truth; it was the present truth of the age he lived in. Luther heard the Spirit of Truth and walked in what was revealed in Him. Today we have thousands of Lutherans believing a truth; but not progressing spiritually beyond that truth that died with Luther. That is why there are so many religions&#8217; some one allows God to reveal something new and fresh; so they build another denomination etc.


2 Peter 1:12
Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance
of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Present truth means to along side the truth; as the truth moves you move with it.
This is really hard for a lot of Christians because they cling on to dogmas and doctrine in stead of flow with His revelation from God&#8217;s Spirit with in all of us. As God reveals a truth to my spirit;

 

[Jerrell]

And Hades was turned over into the lake of fire....

 

[Zecryphon]

Luther had a truth; it was the present truth of the age he lived in. Luther heard the Spirit of Truth and walked in what was revealed in Him. Today we have thousands of Lutherans believing a truth; but not progressing spiritually beyond that truth that died with Luther. That is why there are so many religions&#8217; some one allows God to reveal something new and fresh; so they build another denomination etc.


2 Peter 1:12
Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance
of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

Present truth means to along side the truth; as the truth moves you move with it.
This is really hard for a lot of Christians because they cling on to dogmas and doctrine in stead of flow with His revelation from God&#8217;s Spirit with in all of us. As God reveals a truth to my spirit;

"Luther had a truth; it was the present truth of the age he lived in."

The things Luther believed and taught went against every "truth" of the age he lived in.

"Luther heard the Spirit of Truth and walked in what was revealed in Him. Today we have thousands of Lutherans believing a truth; but not progressing spiritually beyond that truth that died with Luther."

Your completely uninformed opinion carries no weight with this Lutheran. One thing Lutherans typically abhor, is change. You'd have a point if you were referring to the ELCA, but in their case they're moving away from the truth of the word of God and pursuing their own version of what is true. Which, now that I think about it is, what you seem to do. Tell me Ben, which church was it that screwed you over so royally to put you into this kind of mindset? The mindset where all the churches are carnal, all the religious people are wrong, centuries upon centuries of teaching and doctrine are false if they disagree with your pre-conceived notions and bias and only YOU possess the truth.

"That is why there are so many religions&#8217; some one allows God to reveal something new and fresh; so they build another denomination etc."

Another denomination does not equal another religion altogether. New denominations are formed for a variety of reasons. Usually they grow out of disagreements over secondary, non-essential issues.

 

[PostTribber]

There is no Hell. The concept of Hell is part of the Pagan religion.

...if there is no 'Hell', why does God go to all the trouble to cast it and 'Death' into the Lake of Fire? and not only 'Death & Hell', but also all those who took part in the Second Resurrection.

 

[Shiversblood]

Some men live in a hell of their own making.

 

[Ben12]

...if there is no 'Hell', why does God go to all the trouble to cast it and 'Death' into the Lake of Fire? and not only 'Death & Hell', but also all those who took part in the Second Resurrection.

Please give sciptural refernce and explain what it means to you?