There is no Hell!

[GuardianShua]

It is my opinion that this thread that I have posted is out of control and should be deleted.

 

[Ben12]

His mission wasn't to condemn yet Ben! He came to fulfill the law and remit sin for those who would come to Him.
HE USHERED IN THE GRACE COVENANT.
Just becuz Jesus didn't condemn upon His arrival doesn't at all mean it won't happen at judgment.

Not even a good case you made here. It's spelled out what He will do upon His 2nd return.

I see you are saying Jesus has to change his mission from grace to torture. He did not get his way the first time around so He is going to force them into an eternal torture chamber. They cannot come to Him unless He draws them; He has not drawn all people now; that is so obvious; God draws them they have no choice.

It is a great case, God does not change; His mission has always been the same: in Adam all die; in Christ all will be made alive. Jesus blood has reverse the curse.

Second return; He is already here with in us; second coming where is that is scripture?

 

[Spiritofprophecy]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

It is an interesting thread. And many good opinions.

But God is merciful, and very forgiving. But a place for the truly evil of man is reserved.

But to a merciful God. It is probably just a place absent of Love, and God. Which is the true hell; "absence of Gods love". Because that is what its all about to God. Love and Judgement,of which Judgement is his passion.

I pray my words do not offend.

God bless Christians in forum, and all those who use it.
</IMG></IMG>

 

[GuardianShua]

Greetings in the name of Jesus:

It is an interesting thread. And many good opinions.

But God is merciful, and very forgiving. But a place for the truly evil of man is reserved.

But to a merciful God. It is probably just a place absent of Love, and God. Which is the true hell; "absence of Gods love". Because that is what its all about to God. Love and Judgement,of which Judgement is his passion.

I pray my words do not offend.

God bless Christians in forum, and all those who use it.
</IMG></IMG>

Yes it has become a strange animal.

 

[FreeinChrist]

It is my opinion that this thread that I have posted is out of control and should be deleted.

Do you want it closed?

 

[GuardianShua]

Do you want it closed?

Yes, if you would please.

 

[Ben12]

I have total faith that God’s fire will deal with the evil in man in the Lake of Devine Purging just like it has been doing to believers sense the day of Pentecost; this includes the evil in all men be they Christian or not. God’s fire is corrective, it prunes, chastises and it changes until all carnality; evil will totally purged.

The first example of this in the OT was the Fire was first used with the sacrifice of Able. Our flesh must be sacrificed to be in the presence of God. The sweat of Cain was not sufficient and was not an acceptable offering unto God for sin. All flesh (self) must be burnt by the fire of God. God is holy; and God knows how many ages it takes; His fire will purify His temple; with in all of us; but that is God’s timing not the 22,000 daughters of Baby lon.

David declared in Ps 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
KJV

So many refuse to believe this because not what scripture declares but what their religion tells them; as well I am not forgetting the scriptures of doom and gloom. But these scritures have been opened and looked at by the light of truth and have been obviously altered by corrupt religious translators. But that is not important to our self rightous religous brothers who will never be satified until 97% of God people are tortured forever and ever and ever.

(41 times the Bible declares:1 Chronicles 16:34 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever.

 

[Nadiine]

it sounds more to me like you have faith in your ideals than what the BIBLE clearly states is in store for the unrepentant rebellious souls who reject the Son of God.

John 3:16 directly states that only those WHO BELIEVE in Him won't suffer. NOT EVERYBODY WHO REJECTS.

Your points are opinions taken from verses mostly out of their context, and at the direct contradiction of others that spell out the fate of the unsaved who reject the Son of GOD who have no sacrifice for their sin.

Those not under the law of Christ, FALL UNDER THE FULL MEASURE OF THE STANDING LAW OF GOD. You are either under law OR grace. Die without Christ as your accepted saviour, and you will die in your sin and are under the penalty of law.

You WILL endure the 2nd death - the lake of fire.

Your opinions mean diddly in light of scripture teaching.

 

[Ben12]

it sounds more to me like you have faith in your ideals than what the BIBLE clearly states is in store for the unrepentant rebellious souls who reject the Son of God.

John 3:16 directly states that only those WHO BELIEVE in Him won't suffer. NOT EVERYBODY WHO REJECTS.

Your points are opinions taken from verses mostly out of their context, and at the direct contradiction of others that spell out the fate of the unsaved who reject the Son of GOD who have no sacrifice for their sin.

Those not under the law of Christ, FALL UNDER THE FULL MEASURE OF THE STANDING LAW OF GOD. You are either under law OR grace. Die without Christ as your accepted saviour, and you will die in your sin and are under the penalty of law.

You WILL endure the 2nd death - the lake of fire.

Your opinions mean diddly in light of scripture teaching.

We have gone over the second death; it means death to self; death to the carnal nature. You wish for and dream about the concept of eternal torture.

John 3:16
I have always hated the way traditional teaching has used this awesome verse in the Bible on one hand to point to salvation which it does; but on the other hand condemn the rest of humanity which it does not

(KJV) John 3 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:15 That whosoever believeth in him should (not perish,) should be omitted), but have eternal life.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that (whosoever, should be "all") (believeth, should be that "all believing") in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Now we will look at a passage in the New Testament; viz., that precious declaration in John 3:16,
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son," etc. We will take into consideration verses 14-17 inclusive; first I will clear up several points of obscurity and error and then give the rendering as it should be.

In verse 15 the words "not perish but" should be omitted; according to the best authorities they have been interpolated, probably from the following verse; they are left out from the New Version.

Strong's Whosoever 3956 pas (pas);including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all,
any, every, the whole: KJV-- all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

The word "whosoever" in the l5th and l6th verses should be rendered "all"; in the original it is
the word usually rendered all throughout the New Testament; it occurs hundreds of times, and it is rendered
"all" in over nine hundred instances, and whosoever in only about forty; the rendering all then is plainly the usual one.

The word rendered "believeth," in the original is a participle, "believing"; the clause should read, "that all,
believing in him should not," etc. The words, "believing in him," are explanatory, telling us how "all" are to be saved, viz, by believing in him. In the common version it will be noticed that the participle is, without authority, rendered by the verb "believeth," and the words, "whosoever believeth in him" are thereby made to have a conditional force, as though it read, if they believe in him, implying that some will not believe in him, and hence will perish, and be lost eternally.

But this is not a correct rendering of the original, as I have shown above; the clause is not conditional, but is thrown in, as a participial form, as explanatory of the manner of the world's salvation, by believing in him; this view is fully confirmed by the l9th verse; "for God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved."

Might be saved: Stong's 4982 sozo (sode'-zo); from a primary sos (contraction for obsolete saoz, "safe");
to save, i.e. deliver or protect (literally or figuratively): KJV-- heal, preserve, save (self), do well, be
(make) whole. The word &#8220;might&#8221; was added by the translator

Now I will give the whole passage as it ought to be.

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the son of man be lifted up, that all,
believing in him. might have æonial life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,
that all, believing in him, might not perish, but have æonial life. For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world but that the world through him be saved."

Thus truthfully translated this passage is one of the grandest and most sweeping declarations of
the final universal triumph of God's grace in the salvation of the world, contained in the Bible. It is positive and direct, and mighty enough, could they only appreciate it, to utterly silence all those narrow,
shortsighted souls who think that God will only gain a partial victory over the devil, that he will not save
the world, but only a portion of it, a vast number being eternally lost. It is very plain why the translators
of the common version handled this passage as they did. Their creed would not allow them to accept it just as it reads; it required only a slight change to make it conform to their own idea. They insert the unusual rendering "whosoever," change believing to "believeth," and then, punctuating it accordingly, the passage is "tinkered" so as to harmonize with the creed. Thank God for deliverance from man made creeds!

"Let God be true, though every man be false" (Rom. 3:4).

Young&#8217;s Literal John 3:14 `And as Moses did lift up the serpent in the wilderness, so it behoveth the Son of Man to be lifted up, 15 that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during, 16 for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during. 17 For God did not send His Son to the world that he may judge the world, but that the world may be saved through him;

Your opinions are carnal, earthy and shows me a savior that has no power to save; a God who is unjust, the worst monster that carnal man can imagine. Why were the people in Noah&#8217;s days destroyed; &#8220;evil imaginations&#8221;; that is all you show me; no more grace, no more salvation. Sorry God is not that small.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Closing this at OP request