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How does this explain why we would need to meet Him in the air rather than in heaven? Could what you're describing not take place in heaven? If not, why not?
We're talking about the book of Revelation here, are we not? Is the book of Revelation inconsistent with its use of terms? Is there any reason to think that the use of the term "candlesticks" in one verse would mean something entirely different than what it means in another verse in the book of Revelation? Does any reference to the Lamb in the book of Revelation refer to anyone but Jesus?
The two accounts speak of one and the same, (The Two Witnesses) the golden oil poured out of themselves will be the golden vials in God's plagues in wrath seen in Revelation chapter 16:1-11
No, I do not. As usual, you are missing the symbolism there (it symbolizes the church), but I know it's pointless to try to get you to look at things in a non-literal way.
Why would you look at Zechariah 4 but not Romans 11 when determining the meaning of the two witnesses being represented by two olive trees? And where is the consistency in seeing two candlesticks as two individuals when in other parts of the book candlesticks represent churches?
That's another non-answer. The correct answer is that there is no reason at all for us to meet Him in the air if we are then taken to heaven afterwards. If we were going to heaven when He comes then we would just be caught up directly to heaven. But, we are not going to heaven after being caught up to meet Him in the air. That is not taught anywhere in scripture.
How can you claim that seen below is (The Church) as you erase the evidence before your eyes with one stroke of your magic wand in claims of symbolic allegory
LOL. You are so incredibly childish. How in the world did you ever discern that the thousand years shouldn't be taken literally when you seemingly take EVERYTHING ELSE all literally even in a book with as much symbolism as Revelation has? You got lucky, I guess. It's truly a wonder that you don't take Revelation 20 all literally the way you take everything else all literally. This supposed evidence you come up with is all based on your ridiculous assumption that everything (except the thousand years, I guess) contained within the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture are supposed to be taken literally. Unbelievable.
Do you believe in interpreting scripture with scripture? If so, then why do you think that it's talking about the literal earthly city of Jerusalem there? Scripture teaches that Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem. Do you accept what these scriptures teach?Truth7t7 said:
(Diversion)The subject isn't Revelation 20, It's the (Two Witnesses) being two future living beings as scripture clearly teaches below
I didn't say that it was, I was simply making the point that it seems to be a miracle that you interpret anything in the book in a non-literal way. How exactly do you conclude that Revelation 20 isn't meant to be taken literally but Revelation 11 is? I'd really like to know that. Are you afraid to explain your approach to interpreting the book?
Except it doesn't clearly teach that. It's your childish ASSUMPTION that it's all supposed to be taken literally that causes you to believe that. Why didn't you respond to what I said about Jesus not being crucified in Jerusalem, as evidenced by what it says in Hebrews 13:12 and John 19:20? Do you just throw out the verses in scripture that you don't accept and don't line up with your beliefs? Why is it that you take the time to quote someone's post and reply to it, but you don't bother to actually specifically address what the other person said? Do you not know how adult discussions work?
You better believe I will. You seem to think you're proving something here. All you are proving is that a vast majority of the time you are unable to discern the difference between symbolic and literal text.
Please give your interpretation of
Waiting? LOL. Such childish impatience .You demand this of me before addressing what I said first? Think again. What are your thoughts on what I said about this? Do you accept what these scriptures teach, which is that Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem, or not?
Golgotha isn't a city, why do you run from giving a name to "The Great City" what does it mean?
Who is running from that? Not me. The scripture gives it the name Babylon. I've already said that I see it as the spiritual opposite of new Jerusalem.
Are you unable to read? Are you incapable of having an adult discussion where one person addresses what the other said first and then the other person addresses what that person said and so on? You want me to address what you're saying before you address what I'm saying. That's childish and shows your lack of understanding of how adult discussions are supposed to work.
Not one word mentioned regarding "Their Dead Bodies" what does that mean in your world of symbolic allegory?
And I see that you have decided to just be a child rather than have an adult discussion, so I'm done here. You are clearly afraid to address what I said. And then you expect me to address what you're saying without addressing what I'm saying first. What a joke. Goodnight.
I have clearly stated and shown in my postings that "Jerusalem" is Mystery Babylon
Yes, you have shown why you believe what you do. Congratulations on that. You're still wrong. You share the same kind of reasoning that preterists do in concluding that it's Jerusalem. Think about that.
Now, you are trying to twist scripture. It references the great city where He was crucified, not the great city where He was beaten and walked the streets, etc. You are trying to act as if Hebrews 13:12 and John 19:20 are not scripture. You are doing what Premils always do by twisting scripture that contradicts your beliefs. You are much more like a typical Premil than a typical Amil, that's for sure.
That isn't what I'm suggesting, though, as it relates to Revelation 11:8. Do you actually think I'm claiming that the great city is Golgotha? LOL!!! No. I'm not seeing it as a literal earthly city. I've already told you that I see the great city Babylon as being the spiritual opposite of the new Jerusalem. That should give you a hint about how I interpret it.
As soon as you answer my question first then I will do that. But, I've already given you several opportunities and you haven't done it. So, I'm not holding my breath.
