The seven kings of Revelation 17:10

[Douggg]

Some interpret them this way...

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece (who had fallen by John's time.) Some people used the Roman Emperor's listed above by Dougg.

The interpretation of the kings in Revelation 17:10 as being kingdoms is wrong. People who make that interpretation do not list the kings as I have. They interpret one of the kings as being Roman.

 

[Oberamagau]

@Douggg what makes you think he's going to be the leader of the EU and not the leader of the United Nations?

That's a major blunder that's been taught for decades. Rome, the Pope, Catholicism, the EU, the UN, America, have nothing to do with any of this.

 

[summerville]

Agreed, but they were under Roman command. The Jewish rebellion was against Roman occupancy.

Not exactly.. Many Jews were perfectly fine with the Romans.. The factions were fighting each other and the Romans. So.. you had Essenes, Pharisees, Sadducees, Sicarri, Zealots and Herodians. ( I may have left someone out)

The Gentiles Trampled Jerusalem for 42 Months (Revelation ...
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Josephus said that those “foreigners” were fugitives, which means they were on the run. Who and where were they running from? I don’t know. Did some of them also converge on Jerusalem as Galilee, Perea, and other territories were captured by the Romans?

Pagans and Sons of Hell
There’s another sense in which even the Jews could be described as “the Gentiles.” Among the given meanings for the Greek word “ethnos” are the words “heathens” and “pagans.” In the book of Revelation John certainly describes a great deal of pagan activity happening in Jerusalem. Anyone who reads the descriptions of the Zealots given by Josephus will quickly see that their behavior was lawless, savage, and pagan, to say the least. Several decades earlier, Jesus had denounced the scribes and Pharisees for traveling “land and sea” to win disciples only to make them “twice as much a son of hell” as themselves (Matthew 23:15). Apparently, some of these “sons of hell” made Jerusalem and the temple into their own “shop of tyranny” (Wars 4.3.7).

It was not the Romans who trampled on Jerusalem for 42 months in 66-70 AD. Instead, Jerusalem was trampled by the Zealots, Galileans, Idumeans, etc. They were the Gentiles spoken of in Revelation 11:1-2. We will see more evidence of their trampling as we progress in this study.

 

[summerville]

That's a major blunder that's been taught for decades. Rome, the Pope, Catholicism, the EU, the UN, America, have nothing to do with any of this.

The far futurists are all mired down in the Scofield heresy.

 

[Oberamagau]

The far futurists are all mired down in the Scofield heresy.

Not all futurist are dispensationalist. I don't own a Scofield.

 

[summerville]

Not all futurist are dispensationalist. I don't own a Scofield.

I am sure you don't.. and Scofield is the foundation of Dallas Theological Seminary and the Moody Institute..

John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism.

 

[friend of]

Darby is not the founder of both. They existed at the begginning.

 

[summerville]

Darby is not the founder of both. They existed at the begginning.

Nope.. It is what it is.

Dispensationalism And The Early Church Fathers
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Mar 16, 2017 · Among them are Lewis Sperry Chafer, C.I. Scofield, Charles Ryrie, and John Nelson Darby. John Darby himself is known as the “godfather” of dispensationalism. Though from the United Kingdom, he popularized the idea in the United Kingdom before coming to the United States in …


The History of Dispensational Theology - SLJ Institute
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So the roots of Dispensational Theology are traceable to John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren to the Bible and prophetic conferences of the latter part of the last century in, particularly, the Niagara Bible Conferences, and we will refer to them later on.

 

[friend of]

Dispensationalism is correct. God dealt differently with his people throughout the course of the bible.

 

[Josheb]

Means the same thing as continues a short space.

Galba was a weak and insignificant king. The 7th king will be the cap stone of the 7 kings prophecy.

The 7th king does not come to power until right before the 70th week, the 7 years. This can be determined by the crowns, no crowns on the heads in Revelation 17, 12, 13.

In Revelation 17, there are no crowns on the 7 heads, as the 7 king prophecy was incomplete in John's day, awaiting the arrival of king 7, the cap stone king.

In Revelation 12, aside from the first five introductory verses to identify the woman in the rest of the chapter as Israel, the seven years are found in Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days, followed by the time, times, half times of Revelation 12:14.

The head in Revelation 12 have their crowns indicating that king 7, the cap stone king, has come to power, completing the prophecy of the seven kings.

In Revelation 13, one of the heads has been mortally wounded, but healed. None of the heads have their crowns, because will the death of king 7, the cap stone king, the prophecy of the 7 kings is over at that point.

king 7, healed from the death wound, will have come back to life as the beast, king 8, to continue, or remain if you want to choose that word, the short space of 42 months, in Revelation 13:5.

All of which happened quickly because the time was then near. You're still wrong and still not adding anything new to the discussion of your own op. Yes, Galba was a weak king and that's one of the reasons he continued for only a short space. remained for a little while. And then he was killed. And then Jerusalem was destroyed.


I'd like you to think about something asserted in this op, Douggg. You said the six Julio-Claudian "kings" applied to Revelation 17:10. That verse states, "one is." Nero is listed as the last of the six and that places Nero as the king that "is."

In other words, you've just placed Revelation before 70 a.d. It can't be written during the reign of Domitian if Nero is the king that is at the time Revelation was revealed to John .

So very preterist of you .

 

[summerville]

Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece are the five kings who have fallen.. Each had oppressed the Jews.

 

[friend of]

@Josheb

What other scriptures do you have that support the proposition that Galba was the 7th king?

 

[summerville]

@Josheb

What other scriptures do you have that support the proposition that Galba was the 7th king?

He was the king after Nero.. that would make him 7th.

Galba | Roman emperor | Britannica
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Jan 11, 2020 · Galba Galba, Latin in full Servius Galba Caesar Augustus, original name Servius Sulpicius Galba, (born Dec. 24, 3 bc —died Jan. 15, ad 69, Rome), Roman emperor for seven months (ad 68–69), whose administration was priggishly upright, though his advisers allegedly were corrupt.

 

[friend of]

He was the king after Nero.. that would make him 7th

Then what about the 8th?

 

[Douggg]

All of which happened quickly because the time was then near.

It will all happen quickly like a flood, when the 7th king comes to power.

Yes, Galba was a weak king and that's one of the reasons he continued for only a short space. remained for a little while. And then he was killed. And then Jerusalem was destroyed.

Galba was not the fulfillment of the 7 kings prophesy. The heads on the beast do not have their crowns until Revelation 12, right before the 70th week 7 years begin. Galba was an insignificant king. King 7 has to be the cap stone king to the prophesy.

The person who becomes the 7th king is not mortally wounded until right before the 42 months in Revelation 13:5.

I'd like you to think about something asserted in this op, Douggg. You said the six Julio-Claudian "kings" applied to Revelation 17:10. That verse states, "one is." Nero is listed as the last of the six and that places Nero as the king that "is."

In other words, you've just placed Revelation before 70 a.d. It can't be written during the reign of Domitian if Nero is the king that is at the time Revelation was revealed to John .

Yes, that is correct.

So very preterist of you .

No, I am not a preterist. I don't believe that 70 AD was fulfillment of the end times prophesies. The 70th week is still future of us, although not the distant future. Keep an eye on Europe for a change in their structure, to some form of ten leader makeup with one leader over them.

 

[Douggg]

He was the king after Nero.. that would make him 7th.

It is not 7 emperors, but 7 kings who are related. Galba was insignificant. The seven kings are the Julio-Claudian Caesars, that rule(d) following the destruction of the republic.

Galba was not a Julio-Claudian. He was a significant king, did nothing significant, to be the fulfillment of the 7 king prophecy.

The 7king prophecy will be fulfilled end times - the heads (the kings) have crowns in Revelation 12, not in Revelation 17 (when the king 6 was ruling). Revelation 12 has the 7 year 70th week in it; Revelation 12:6 the 1260 days followed by Revelation 12:14 the time, times, half time.

King 7 will be the cap stone to the 7 kings prophesy, fulfilling it. He will be a significant person in bible prophecy. He will be the little horn person.

 

[Oberamagau]

Then what about the 8th?

He's part on the seven. These 7 kings could be former mid-East dictators that recently fell like Bin Laden, Mubarak, Hussein, Gaddafi, Ben Ali, Baghdadi, any others? My pic for the eighth is Saddam Hussein. The "one that is" - that could be Assad.

The 7 headed 10 horned beast of Revelation 17 - including the harlot that occupies it, is completely end-time.

 

[Josheb]

@Josheb

What other scriptures do you have that support the proposition that Galba was the 7th king?

Why do I need more?

 

[friend of]

Why do I need more?

Because only having 1 scripture to back up your claim is weak.

 

[summerville]

Then what about the 8th?

Otho, Vitellius, Vespasian, Titus, Domitian.