The Seal?

[Jon0388g]

What you are implying here is that we have no record of any law in heaven. This is true, however I think you would be in error to assume there was no law or government in heaven for angels before the earth was created. Sin originated in the heart of Lucifer a covering cherub. Since we know sin is the transgression of God's law we know that a law had to exist even in heaven. It's just pure logic.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Hi Jim,


Don't forget, some Scriptures point out that God's Law are founded forever in the heavens:

"The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness." Psalm 111:7-8


"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

"Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever." Psalm 119:152


Didn't Christ say the devil was a murderer from the beginning?


Free is an ex-SDA Pastor, he is well aware of these text and many others, I'm sure. It's just quite sad to see the depths some will go to discredit the law of God.


The Two great principles: Love God, and Love your neighbour, are the eternal testimonies of God founded in heaven, the universal law. Didn't Micah ask what more does God require? Mankind became so hardened in sin, God spelled out these principles in Ten Words at Sinai, which sinful man still managed to twist and use for a system of works-based salvation. Jesus came to magnify the law and make it honourable according to Isaiah, and He reminded men of the Spirit behind the law, the Spirit of love - the "law of liberty".


This is basic Bible 101. I think we shouldn't be answering according to folly.



Jon

 

[freeindeed2]

Hi Jim,


Don't forget, some Scriptures point out that God's Law are founded forever in the heavens:

"The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness." Psalm 111:7-8


"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

"Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever." Psalm 119:152


Didn't Christ say the devil was a murderer from the beginning?


Free is an ex-SDA Pastor, he is well aware of these text and many others, I'm sure. It's just quite sad to see the depths some will go to discredit the law of God.


The Two great principles: Love God, and Love your neighbour, are the eternal testimonies of God founded in heaven, the universal law. Didn't Micah ask what more does God require? Mankind became so hardened in sin, God spelled out these principles in Ten Words at Sinai, which sinful man still managed to twist and use for a system of works-based salvation. Jesus came to magnify the law and make it honourable according to Isaiah, and He reminded men of the Spirit behind the law, the Spirit of love.


This is basic Bible 101. I think we shouldn't be answering according to folly.



Jon

This is all just a dance in an attempt to say that Christians are obligated to the sign of the old covenant. I am well aware of all of these texts and also their context within the covenant made with Israel. There is no conflict.

The codified 10 commandment law/old covenant did not exist until it was given to Israel. To say otherwise is to completely ignore Scripture. The agenda is clearly seen (law in place of Christ, specifically the Sabbath in place of Christ - in fact, you use Christ to lift up the Sabbath). That's what's truly sad.

In Christ alone...

 

[Jimlarmore]

Hi Jim,


Don't forget, some Scriptures point out that God's Law are founded forever in the heavens:

"The works of his hands are verity and judgment; all his commandments are sure. They stand fast for ever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness." Psalm 111:7-8


"For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven." Psalm 119:89

"Concerning thy testimonies, I have known of old that thou hast founded them for ever." Psalm 119:152


Didn't Christ say the devil was a murderer from the beginning?


Free is an ex-SDA Pastor, he is well aware of these text and many others, I'm sure. It's just quite sad to see the depths some will go to discredit the law of God.


The Two great principles: Love God, and Love your neighbour, are the eternal testimonies of God founded in heaven, the universal law. Didn't Micah ask what more does God require? Mankind became so hardened in sin, God spelled out these principles in Ten Words at Sinai, which sinful man still managed to twist and use for a system of works-based salvation. Jesus came to magnify the law and make it honourable according to Isaiah, and He reminded men of the Spirit behind the law, the Spirit of love - the "law of liberty".


This is basic Bible 101. I think we shouldn't be answering according to folly.



Jon

Thanks Brother,

Yes you are right it does say that God's word is settled forever in heaven.

Free is a searching soul lost in his rationalizations. He tries to convince us and himself at the same time that he is right but deep down inside he knows the real truth. I pray for him and all the others all the time but it's the work of the Holy Spirit to convince them in the end.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[freeindeed2]

Thanks Brother,

Yes you are right it does say that God's word is settled forever in heaven.

Free is a searching soul lost in his rationalizations. He tries to convince us and himself at the same time that he is right but deep down inside he knows the real truth. I pray for him and all the others all the time but it's the work of the Holy Spirit to convince them in the end.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Yes I do know the Real Truth (or rather am known by Him). His name is Jesus Christ, and he's strangely absent on these forums. You all spend so much time focussing on anything and everything but Jesus himself, the Savior.

I don't have to convince you of anything. The veil is firmly in place here and they cannot see the truth. Rather, they are rooted in the law.

Praying that you all will turn to Christ so the veil can be removed.

In Christ alone...

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

The Sabbath was given at creation. The question implies inaccuracies in historic truth.


What you are implying here is that we have no record of any law in heaven. This is true, however I think you would be in error to assume there was no law or government in heaven for angels before the earth was created. Sin originated in the heart of Lucifer a covering cherub. Since we know sin is the transgression of God's law we know that a law had to exist even in heaven. It's just pure logic.

As in most things faulty answers come from faulty presumptions. First the Sabbath was not given at Creation there is no Sabbath command given in the account, It says God rested from His work.

Second where is there in the Bible a statement that Lucifer was a covering Cherub? Again you won't find it, you won't even find anything about Lucifer being Satan.

Even if you assume sin began in heaven that would not indicate that it was anywhere near the law as we see in the Old testament. Since we know so little of angels it would be silly to assume that had laws against adultery because we have no idea if they have sex organs. We have know evidence that they had personal possessions that could be coveted or stolen or mothers and fathers to that needed to be respected or even if they could have killed one another. Logic takes you much farther then saying there must have been some law. As there may have been but it would not be the Old Testament law given to man.

Here is my take on the Law in heaven:
God is Love, The Law

 

[Jon0388g]

This is all just a dance in an attempt to say that Christians are obligated to the sign of the old covenant. I am well aware of all of these texts and also their context within the covenant made with Israel. There is no conflict.

Then I'll ask you what I've asked all others using this re-cycled argument: why don't you cut out 60% of your Bible and throw it in the trash seeing as its the "old covenant"?


And yes, Free, when Christ said "the Sabbath was made for man" He was really only referring to the Jews. And Solomon was only talking to the Jews when he gave "the conclusion of the matter." And Adam was circumsised - being a Jew and all.

The codified 10 commandment law/old covenant did not exist until it was given to Israel. To say otherwise is to completely ignore Scripture. The agenda is clearly seen (law in place of Christ, specifically the Sabbath in place of Christ - in fact, you use Christ to lift up the Sabbath). That's what's truly sad.

In Christ alone...

What is really sad is how you masquerade under the name of Christ to promote antichrist doctrine. My God and Saviour Jesus Christ did not promote the breaking of any one of His own commandments, and He also warned me that many would come in His name - but we would know them by their words. He also tells me that whoever annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.


You are a kind, courteous man and I don't have a problem with you as a person, but your opinions are not in line with the Scriptures. And I won't allow you to make it seem as though I am the one spouting every false wind of doctrine.



Jon

 

[freeindeed2]

Then I'll ask you what I've asked all others using this re-cycled argument: why don't you cut out 60% of your Bible and throw it in the trash seeing as its the "old covenant"?

Because it shows the history of how God led his people. It shows their utter need of a Savior. It shows the track record of those who were under the law and how they were completely condemned by it. It points forward to Christ our righteousness who has accomplished salvation for us and offered it freely by his own blood.

Why would we get rid of it? It is SO rich with the history of human frailty and failure! And it SO accurately reveals the prophecies that pointed forward to the Messiah who released Israel from its condemnation and made salvation available to ALL who believe in Him, even those who were never given the law.

Never! would I dispose of the OT. Through the lens of the instructions to the Christian church it nakedly lays out and makes clear the OC and shows how Jesus Christ is our everything. Why so many miss this...

And yes, Free, when Christ said "the Sabbath was made for man" He was really only referring to the Jews. And Solomon was only talking to the Jews when he gave "the conclusion of the matter." And Adam was circumsised - being a Jew and all.

Trash talking is not becoming of you.

What is really sad is how you masquerade under the name of Christ to promote antichrist doctrine

It's strange that you view directing others to Christ alone for salvation as 'antichrist doctrine'. It speaks VOLUMES!

My God and Saviour Jesus Christ did not promote the breaking of any one of His own commandments, and He also warned me that many would come in His name - but we would know them by their words.

You seem to be rooted in Moses (who will condemn you) rather than Jesus Christ. You've missed the purpose of the law (a schoolmaster that leads to Christ, a schoolmaster we are no longer under!).

He also tells me that whoever annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven.

You've missed the point of Matthew 5. Try reading the whole thing in the context of Jesus giving commands from a different mountain than Mt. Sinai.

You are a kind, courteous man and I don't have a problem with you as a person, but your opinions are not in line with the Scriptures.

Thanks...I think. However, living in Christ alone, dying to the law so we can be joined with Christ is completely in line with Scripture. You keep clinging to Moses instead of Christ. The road signs instead of the Destination.

And I won't allow you to make it seem as though I am the one spouting every false wind of doctrine.

Start preaching Christ and his true Gospel and it won't seem that way.

In Christ alone...

 

[Eila]

Those are mens views, but not what God gave, His law of love is eternal and the Spirit shows us a level of fruit above what is written simply for us grasp the basics.....

12We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.1 Corinthians 2:12-13

Sabbath keeping is above love, joy, peace, patience, etc? I understand that you see things that way, but I did not come to my position from listening to men's views. I came to my position by reading the New Testament with no preconceived ideas.

 

[Jon0388g]

Because it shows the history of how God led his people. It shows their utter need of a Savior. It shows the track record of those who were under the law and how they were completely condemned by it. It points forward to Christ our righteousness who has accomplished salvation for us and offered it freely by his own blood.

Why would we get rid of it? It is SO rich with the history of human frailty and failure! And it SO accurately reveals the prophecies that pointed forward to the Messiah who released Israel from its condemnation and made salvation available to ALL who believe in Him, even those who were never given the law.

Never! would I dispose of the OT. Through the lens of the instructions to the Christian church it nakedly lays out and makes clear the OC and shows how Jesus Christ is our everything. Why so many miss this...


Trash talking is not becoming of you.


It's strange that you view directing others to Christ alone for salvation as 'antichrist doctrine'. It speaks VOLUMES!


You seem to be rooted in Moses (who will condemn you) rather than Jesus Christ. You've missed the purpose of the law (a schoolmaster that leads to Christ, a schoolmaster we are no longer under!).


You've missed the point of Matthew 5. Try reading the whole thing in the context of Jesus giving commands from a different mountain than Mt. Sinai.


Thanks...I think. However, living in Christ alone, dying to the law so we can be joined with Christ is completely in line with Scripture. You keep clinging to Moses instead of Christ. The road signs instead of the Destination.


Start preaching Christ and his true Gospel and it won't seem that way.

In Christ alone...

To be honest Free, I really only reply to your posts in the little hope that my friend Sarah and the lurkers reading can see that all is not what it seems when you present your ideas in all its sugar coating.


I hope all who read this will make up their own minds and allow the Holy Spirit to guide them in their search through God's Word.


Jon

 

[freeindeed2]

To be honest Free, I really only reply to your posts in the little hope that my friend Sarah and the lurkers reading can see that all is not what it seems when you present your ideas in all its sugar coating.

Christ being our righteousness and accomplishing salvation for us is NOT 'sugar coating'. It's HOLY SOVEREIGN GOD doing what he said he would do: saving the lost. We cannot do it. It is completely HIM!

I hope all who read this will make up their own minds and allow the Holy Spirit to guide them in their search through God's Word.

AMEN! The Holy Spirit has promised to guide us into all truth, and Jesus IS the truth. All the rest is just commentary.

In Christ alone...

 

[Eila]

This is just not true. I have wrestled with 2 Cor 3 thumpers for some time in the past. This is a popular set of texts used on Carm to try to proove this false idea that Paul is saying the law is done away with. Just like in the Collosians texts there are those who will misinterpret scripture to make it say what they want it too.

If you take 2 Corinthians 3 and the Colossians text for what they plainly say you could not come to the conclusion that you have. I understand that you must say I am misinterpreting Scripture. Have you ever wondered why when many Christians are presented with the Sabbath idea they immediately quote Colossians? Because the plain meaning is in conflict with your position.

Eila says there is nothing in the Bible where it specifically says we are to use the Sabbath as a part of the new life in Christ yet when I read my Bible I don't find anything there that specifically says not to either. The Sabbath was a major paradigm for Paul being a Jew all of his life and would not have even been questioned unless God specifically told him to tell us to ignore it. If the Sabbath was to be ignored he would have spent volumes and volumes on it considering what he said about circumcision in his epistles.

There are several texts about the Sabbath, but SDAs typically say they are not about the weekly Sabbath.

Since there are not volumes and volumes about not keeping the feasts why don't you keep all of them?

If you really look at 2 Cor 3 what you will find Paul is actually telling us that the ministry of death is passing away.

Which Paul describes as written and engraved on stones.

What is that really telling us? One of the biggest things Paul fought against in his ministry was legalism. Many of the Jews around him still thought they could secure salvation by keeping the law. The law can only point us to the cross and condemn us. In other words it's a ministry of death.

Yes the law does condemn. Notice at the end of 2 Cor 3. The Lord is the Spirit. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. There is no liberty in the ministry of death. Notice that 2 Cor 3 contrasts the letter with the Spirit.

As far as I can tell the SDA position is that we are to keep the essence of the law rather than the letter. Yet at the same time the letter of the law is what is presented to people over and over to show them they need to keep the Sabbath. True, the reason given for people to keep the Sabbath is to show love for God. At the same time if you do not keep the Sabbath you are told you do not love God. In essence it all appears to go back to the letter. Then again I think there is a flaw in this reasoning. We are told to follow after the Spirit (Holy Spirit) not the essence of the law. The contrast is not with the letter and the spirit of the law, but with the letter and the Holy Spirit.

Paul was telling these folks to quit trying to save themselves and to look to a greater glory and that is the glory of salvation by faith in Christ and thru grace. It is impossible to save oneself in this life. We can only achieve salvation thru Christ and that is what he is telling us here.

Yes, salvation is through Christ alone.

Paul makes it perfectly clear in some of his other writtings that the law is holy, perfect and good and that new covenant Christians "Establish" the law. It makes no sense that he would tell us that the law was done away with in one epistle and that we establish it in another. I think we are misinterpreting his writings as Peter said some would do to their own destruction.

Establish the law how? Does it say we establish the law by law-keeping?

 

[Jon0388g]

AMEN! The Holy Spirit has promised to guide us into all truth, and Jesus IS the truth. All the rest is just commentary.

In Christ alone...

Amen and amen. Let's conclude with the Preacher's thoughts:


"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13



Jon

 

[freeindeed2]

Amen and amen. Let's conclude with the Preacher's thoughts:


"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is the whole duty of man." Ecclesiastes 12:13



Jon

Always back to the OT/OC. Never forward to Christ.

In Christ alone...

 

[Jimlarmore]

Yes I do know the Real Truth (or rather am known by Him). His name is Jesus Christ, and he's strangely absent on these forums. You all spend so much time focussing on anything and everything but Jesus himself, the Savior.

I don't have to convince you of anything. The veil is firmly in place here and they cannot see the truth. Rather, they are rooted in the law.

Praying that you all will turn to Christ so the veil can be removed.

In Christ alone...

Being in Jesus Christ alone will certainly include keeping His holy day and loving Him with all of your heart. You cannot claim to be in Christ and break His commandments with perceived impunity. There is no difference between the old and new covenants except for nailing the ceremonial laws to the cross that were fulfilled. Nothing in the 10 were fulfilled at the cross.

Being born again tells us that there is a change in the life. If you continue to break God's holy day and the rest with perceived impunity then there is no re-birth , no real change. Just a perceived license to sin with impunity.

God bless
Jim Larmore

 

[Jon0388g]

Always back to the OT/OC. Never forward to Christ.

In Christ alone...

Lol -

"Fear God......" Ecclesiastes 12:13


Goodbye for now Free


Jon

 

[freeindeed2]

Being in Jesus Christ alone will certainly include keeping His holy day and loving Him with all of your heart.

I love him only because he loved me first, he is love, and lives in me. Otherwise I wouldn't.

He never commanded me to rest on a day. Please show me where he commanded the Christian church to observe the sign of the old covenant.

You cannot claim to be in Christ and break His commandments with perceived impunity. There is no difference between the old and new covenants except for nailing the ceremonial laws to the cross that were fulfilled. Nothing in the 10 were fulfilled at the cross.

Jim, either he fulfilled the law as he promised (all of it), or not 'one jot or tittle' has disappeared from it and it ALL is still in effect FOR ISRAEL. You can't swing both ways! You cannot be joined to Christ and the law at the same time. I'm sure you've read this in Paul's writings! Why do you continue to ignore it?

Being born again tells us that there is a change in the life.

More than that! There's a change in the relationship. God LIVES IN US! That's huge!!! How much more of a guarantee do you need? Unfortunately some (a few) resort to returning to the ministry of death and condemnation and have 'fallen from grace' and been 'cut off from Christ'.

If you continue to break God's holy day and the rest with perceived impunity then there is no re-birth , no real change.

You've just made the Sabbath a condition for salvation. All your hope rests in perfect Sabbath observance (aside from the fact that even Israel never entered that rest!).

Just a perceived license to sin with impunity.

In Christ there is no sin.

In Christ alone...

 

[freeindeed2]

Lol -

"Fear God......" Ecclesiastes 12:13


Goodbye for now Free


Jon

Good bye! Until we meet again...

In Christ alone...

 

[Jimlarmore]

If you take 2 Corinthians 3 and the Colossians text for what they plainly say you could not come to the conclusion that you have. I understand that you must say I am misinterpreting Scripture. Have you ever wondered why when many Christians are presented with the Sabbath idea they immediately quote Colossians? Because the plain meaning is in conflict with your position.

I have dialogued with many folks over the years about the Colossians texts and the texts in 2 Cor 3 as well. I studied these even before becoming adventist and still came to the same conclusion. The texts in Colossians initially had me thinking as you do but a closer look convinced me that it could not be speaking specifically of the 7th day Sabbath being nailed to the cross. The wording that settles it is this contextual verse:

14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The laws that were hand writings were the ceremonial laws of Moses not the 10 commandments. The ceremonial laws were said to be against the people in the book of Duetoronmy.

Also here in this verse

16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The bolded parts of this text shows that Paul was speaking of the ceremonial sabbath/s when he was speaking of meat/drink offerings in direct conjunction with speaking of the sabbath days.

There are several texts about the Sabbath, but SDAs typically say they are not about the weekly Sabbath.

Since there are not volumes and volumes about not keeping the feasts why don't you keep all of them?

Because the ceremonial sabbaths were fulfilled at the cross. They were a shadow of things to come and pointed to Christ. The 7th day Sabbath does not point to Christ as the lamb of God but as a holy day of rest set aside to commune with our savior to rest physically and spiritually.

Which Paul describes as written and engraved on stones.

The law could never save, that was not it's job. The legalistic Jews were to be instructed to turn their eyes on Christ. The law had it's glory and it's place but Christ glory was to take it's place. Paul was just using the metaphor of the glory on Moses face to illustrate that point. He never said we were to throw the law away. Grace demands the law be intact and functioning.

Yes the law does condemn. Notice at the end of 2 Cor 3. The Lord is the Spirit. Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty. There is no liberty in the ministry of death. Notice that 2 Cor 3 contrasts the letter with the Spirit.

Yes and the spirit is actually a lot more stringent in the area of obedience yet you seem to say we don't have to worry about obedience which is so contrary to everything the Bible tells us.

As far as I can tell the SDA position is that we are to keep the essence of the law rather than the letter. Yet at the same time the letter of the law is what is presented to people over and over to show them they need to keep the Sabbath. True, the reason given for people to keep the Sabbath is to show love for God. At the same time if you do not keep the Sabbath you are told you do not love God. In essence it all appears to go back to the letter. Then again I think there is a flaw in this reasoning. We are told to follow after the Spirit (Holy Spirit) not the essence of the law. The contrast is not with the letter and the spirit of the law, but with the letter and the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit will never lead you to break His Holy Laws. This is a lie and an illusion as to what is truth. The Holy Spirit is only promised to those who obey God's commandments. Sabbath observance is as the Bible says a day of delight the holy of the Lord. No amount of Sabbath observance can save us but if we are in Christ we wouldn't think about breaking it. How can we crucify our Savior afresh like that?

Yes, salvation is through Christ alone.



Establish the law how? Does it say we establish the law by law-keeping?

The implications are solid as a rock. You cannot establish something and not observe it.

 

[Eila]

I have dialogued with many folks over the years about the Colossians texts and the texts in 2 Cor 3 as well. I studied these even before becoming adventist and still came to the same conclusion. The texts in Colossians initially had me thinking as you do but a closer look convinced me that it could not be speaking specifically of the 7th day Sabbath being nailed to the cross.

I appreciate your honesty that you see the plain reading of the Colossians text as not supportive of the SDA position.

The wording that settles it is this contextual verse:

14

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The laws that were hand writings were the ceremonial laws of Moses not the 10 commandments. The ceremonial laws were said to be against the people in the book of Duetoronmy.

2 Corinthians 3 calls what was written and engraved on stones as the ministry of death. Breaking one of the 10 commandments was not without punishment under the old covenant. How could that not be against them?

Also here in this verse

16

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

The bolded parts of this text shows that Paul was speaking of the ceremonial sabbath/s when he was speaking of meat/drink offerings in direct conjunction with speaking of the sabbath days.

The Greek word for Sabbath in that text is
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Because the ceremonial sabbaths were fulfilled at the cross. They were a shadow of things to come and pointed to Christ. The 7th day Sabbath does not point to Christ as the lamb of God but as a holy day of rest set aside to commune with our savior to rest physically and spiritually.

How do you know? If the NT does not say gobs and gobs about how we are not to keep the feasts how do you know you are not breaking God's commands?

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The law could never save, that was not it's job. The legalistic Jews were to be instructed to turn their eyes on Christ. The law had it's glory and it's place but Christ glory was to take it's place. Paul was just using the metaphor of the glory on Moses face to illustrate that point. He never said we were to throw the law away. Grace demands the law be intact and functioning.

I disagree. Paul says to cast off the bondswoman covenant. Grace doesn't demand that the 10 commandments be intact and functioning any more than it does keeping the feasts. You don't need law to need grace. The sin nature that came upon all men as a result of Adam's sin made grace necessary.


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Yes and the spirit is actually a lot more stringent in the area of obedience yet you seem to say we don't have to worry about obedience which is so contrary to everything the Bible tells us.

Yes, we should not worry about anything! If we are worrying about obedience then we are focused on ourselves. God does not want us to worry. Be anxious for nothing!

Yes, following the Holy Spirit will lead us to a higher standard. Love, joy, peace, patience, etc.

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The Holy Spirit will never lead you to break His Holy Laws. This is a lie and an illusion as to what is truth. The Holy Spirit is only promised to those who obey God's commandments. Sabbath observance is as the Bible says a day of delight the holy of the Lord. No amount of Sabbath observance can save us but if we are in Christ we wouldn't think about breaking it. How can we crucify our Savior afresh like that?

Yes, you have no problem in not keeping the feasts. Did God not give those laws? Are those laws less holy?

The Holy Spirit is given to those to who come to Christ in faith. He then changes us. I think you are looking at it from the other way around - we change then receive the Holy Spirit. We come just as we are to Christ and He changes us.

What is the command we are to follow to receive the Holy Spirit?

Ephesians 1 "13In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation--having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God's own possession, to the praise of His glory."

Besides the Bible says we CAN'T crucify the Lord afresh. If breaking any part of the 10 commandments is crucifying the Lord afresh then we are all lost.

The implications are solid as a rock. You cannot establish something and not observe it.

The context does not speak to that.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

In the New covenant God promises to write his law on our hearts. Which law is his law? The heart refers to the mind. Where does Paul say that the law of God is in him? In his mind. He said that in his mind he serves or heeds to law of God but in the flesh the law of sin and death. If God does not want us to keep the law then why in the New covenant he places it on our hearts. I don't believe its to help with circulation.