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The Sabbath

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by Day, Feb 25, 2002.

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  1. NoahsRaven

    NoahsRaven New Member

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    Terms like "birdbrain" are rather immature and unproductive. When people resort to such efforts, they usually have very little to say and a lot to hide. To use the written Word to convery your own interpretation of its meaning is a great offense. No, I do not celebrate any of the mentioned holidays myself, only the Sabbath. Your efforts to distort truth will not hold up in here simply because the individuals who are reading these posts are able to read and learn themselves. I am not concerned with how much information you can quote from the Word to back up your own personal theories or interpretations of the Word. But you will be held accountable for your attempts and efforts to confuse and mislead those who are seeking the TRUTH.


    Yahu'shua go with you.
     
  2. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "He has "house" rules
    that we must obide by, or get booted out of the "house".
    "

    Yup, that's right...good thing I have Jesus who did it for me. Now i can make him my Lord and be transfored into being able to keep those laws, but I am not REQUIRED to, but I want to because I love God. Ya'll are talking to the extremes and both positions are flawed. No, we don't have to literally keep the law anymore, Christ did that for us so that we have his rightousness. No, the law hasn't suddenly disappeared. It is still here to show us how to live, for it is a reflection of God himself. We are to use the law as what it was ment to be, a guide on how to live. Read romans people ;)
     
  3. NoahsRaven

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    This is what is written:

    Acts 13:42-46

    "And as Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next SABBATH. Now the the MEETING OF THE SYNAGOGUE had broken up, many of the Jews and of the God-fearing proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas, who, speaking to them, were urging them to continue in the grace of G-d. And the next SABBATH nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of G-d. But when the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy, and began contradicting the things spoken by Paul, and were blaspheming. And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was necessary that the word of G-d should be spoken to you first; since you repudiate it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we are turning to the GENTILES."

    Now WHY were the GENTILES gathering on SABBATH to hear the word?

    Those of you with hard hearts can read Acts 13:51

    Yahu'shua be with you.
     
  4. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    Umm...because that's when everyone else did...I think you need to read galatians if you think we have to keep the sabbath. Paul speaks DIRECTLY to that issue and says very clearly no we do not have to keep it, we are free.
     
  5. camaro540

    camaro540 Regular Member

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    Please read Chapter 13 of Deuteronomy verse's 1-5. Then
    tell me we don't need to keep the Sabbath.

    Patrick
     
  6. Hervey

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    Patrick:

    You suggested me to read Deut. 13:1 - 5 also, and after reading it, I still disagree with you !! :sleep:

    That is because, you do not, and will not read the book of Galatians ! :scratch:

    You want to live in the Law, then you will be judged by the Law.

    Just don't forget to do all the Law, as the book of Galatians will tell you that you are a debtor to do ! :)

    Love IN Christ - Hervey
     
  7. NoahsRaven

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    In Galatians, Paul was refuting them because they insisted on keeping the laws of MOSES. Would you say that the 10 commandments are the law of Moses or the WILL of G-d? If you throw out one commandment, why not throw them ALL out? Then that goes right back to the pagan belief of "Do what you will is the whole of the law".
     
  8. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "In Galatians, Paul was refuting them because they insisted on keeping the laws of MOSES. "

    Umm..no it just says Law :) I have done some reading on this subject. Do you know who the judizers where?
     
  9. rwc109

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    Dear LouisBooth,
    The rest of sabbath is specifically a rest from labour [the other six Hebrew days are for labour , but sabbath is separated to God's purpose, not cutting the grass and painting the shed!
    We don't HAVE to keep sabbath and receive the unconditional blesing that was made for man, but we can't celebrate rest in God by working.
    See also my posting on 'Original holy sabbath' in this workshop.
     
  10. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    I really think you need to find and read about a group of people Paul dealt with called the judizers. They had the same view as you and Paul said it was wrong. Galatians 3:25 "Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." That includes sabbath law :)
     
  11. M.O.G.

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    :) :) :) :)

    :clap: :clap: :clap::

    I agree with Hervey!
     
  12. Romans828

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    Do you know what cracks me up about this thread? This is the SAME battle that was happening thousands of years ago, PRIOR to the New Testament being written, and the battle hasn't changed at all.
    James exhorts believers to be "quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger." In context, he is referring to the Law of Liberty, which is the Word of God. He goes on to say ..."for the anger of man does not achieve the righeousness of God." Basically, we are to be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger in regards to these very things. Further, we are not to get riled up about it because our anger doesn't achieve anything for the kingdom of God. I too struggle with this, but there comes a time when one must shake the dust of his/her shoes and move on, knowning that a seed has been planted, and praying that a sister/brother in Christ will seek truth.

    I personally believe that the biggest problem here is not understanding the Sabbath, but understanding Covenant. 90% of this discussion would have NEVER occurred if some of you understood Covenant. I exhort you to PLEASE, make the Covenants your next study. It is the COMMON thread from Genesis through Revelation, and you soon discover that EVERYTHING God does is because of Covenant.

    No one would ever be able to take away from you what you know is truth. There would be no confusion, and because God's Word is truth, it would PLANT in your heart forever.

    What a shame that the very battle thousands of years ago is still a battle today. The only difference? We have the complete Word of God.

    I want to end with this. I cannot believe how many verses have been taken out of context in this thread. That is incredibly dangerous. Before quoting scripture, OBSERVE the text so that you can properly INTERPRET the text, thus APPLYING the text accurately and handling the Word of God appropriately.

    May God Bless You all as You Seek Truth!!!
    Cynthia
     
  13. TRUTH

    TRUTH Prove All things! 1 Thes 5:21

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    COVENANT is and agreement within the law - If you and I make up a contract to buy a house - within the laws of the land - that is a covenant. If my financing falls through, then we rip up the contract/covenant - but the laws of the land are still there and always have been. God's commandments including the sabbath have always been around from creation, long before Moses, and were all recorded as having been broken before the tablets! So Israel broke the marriage covenant it had with God and He divorced them but when you get a divorce does that change any of the laws? No just your particular covenant.
     
  14. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    Why is it such an awful thing to take one day week off for resting?

    It's simply a matter of the heart. The people who won't take a day off often feel superior because they work so hard and rationalize it by saying that to rest is legalistic. Maybe they don't realize that by saying that, they are claiming that all who do take a day of rest are somehow inferior and in bondage.

    Resting is a basic need of humans. God knew that we would work ourselves to death so He asked us to take one day a week off. Why is that so horrible and worthy of fighting over?

    I think those who refuse to rest are actually the ones in bondage to appearances and pride.
     
  15. camaro540

    camaro540 Regular Member

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    I don't know?
    It's got something to do with being rebellious I guess.
    I can remember being a kid, and being that way with my
    parents. I knew what they told me was the truth, but I
    just had to find a way around it to show them they were
    wrong....

    How wrong I was........

    Patrick
     
  16. ZiSunka

    ZiSunka It means 'yellow dog'

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    Thanks for your honesty Patrick. I think you have really hit the nail on the head.
     
  17. Romans828

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    Hello Truth:

    I am sorry to say that we don't agree. Covenant is MUCH more than referenced above. Truth, I promise you, and I know based on your name, that if you studied Covenants, you would see otherwise. May God Bless you as you pursue truth.

    Further, I ask you to please tell me the scripture that states that the Sabbath was around from creation. I have never read that before.

    Thanks,
    Cynthia
     
  18. camaro540

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    Gen 2:3
    And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified
    it: because that in it he had rested from all his work
    which God created and made.
     
  19. Romans828

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    Yes, God rested on the seventh day, but Sabbath was not established for man until the Law. Further, if you would just read Galations you would see that we are no longer under law. Further, Hebrews states that Christ is our Sabbath rest. Further, Hebrews 10 states that He takes away the first in order to establish the second. The Law was only a shadow of the good things to come. The Mosaic Law, with its Levitical priests and their continual and inadequate offerings was a shadow of Christ's coming and ONCE-FOR-ALL OFFERING. You are failing to recognize that Christ paid the Once-For-All Price. If we still have to keep the Law, then it is impossible for Christ to truly have redeemed us, brought us justification and propitiation. (Which according to scripture, and we know, HE DID). It seems to me that all you want to talk about is Old Testament, Old Testament, Old Testament, which is OLD COVENANT. The New Testament, the very Seed, has fulfilled the Old Testament. To continue bringing the Old Covenant Law into the New Covenant is to say that what Christ did on the cross is insufficient. Again, I exhort you to research scripture. Read Galations 3, 2 Cor. 3; Romans 4, Hebrews 8 and 10 to start with.

    Blessings,
    Cynthia
     
  20. goodnewsinc

    goodnewsinc Senior Member Supporter

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    Hello!

    I apologize for exploiting your handle to get your attention. I am sorry! I do not mean to offend. We must keep the commandments. We cannot allow darkness to masquerade as "light". We DO NOT follow Moses or Elijah, Matthew 17:1-5. Our religion and our faith are not founded upon either one of those men! Jesus Christ is our "sure foundation" and our faith is built upon HIS WORDS, Matthew 7:24-28, and 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. Moses and Elijah have importance, but they are not our foundation of "ABSOLUTE" truth. Moses was a lawgiver in his day, but we have learned that Jesus is the WORD OF GOD! John 1:1-5, Psalm 40:6-10. Moses brought the law written on tables of stone and he was the very first to break them because of ANGER and over concern about the faults of the people. BUT Jesus is the Word made flesh and the law was written in his heart. He taught us all the law is fulfilled in two commandments, "To love the Lord with all our hearts and to love our neighbor as our self" and on those two commands hang all the law and the prophets.

    Let us get things straight:

    1. No one commenting in this string is an advocate of "other gods". There is one God, our Father-Creator who has many names. He is not offended if we address him by any of those names. Only some men may be offended if we do not refer to Him by His Aramaic or Hebrew names. Since God is not offended, we are not bothered by the criticism. For the sake of this discussion we all keep this commandment.

    2. If none of us are Catholic, I am pretty sure we all keep the second command. We do not genuflect before wooden, stone, or carved images of God, Jesus, or Mary. So there is not much of a problem here unless some of us are Catholic.

    3. None of us take the name of God in vain. By "vanity" God means worthless or powerless to complete or do anything. In the churches I was taught this is use of His name in cursing or swearing or use of His name in unflattering loose conversation. I would say most of us do not take God's name in vain or we would not be here in this discussion. It is desirable, but I am not certain that none of us swear and use God's reference in the process. I conclude that most of us do not break this commandment.

    4. The Sabbath Day that God truly has in mind is a BIG DAY containing 1000 earthly years. One spiritual day is 1000 years of our time. Adam did not quite live on earth for one day. In the day he consumed the fruit, that same day he died less than 1000 years old. Maybe 5000 years has transpired since that event. So I can conclude that we are very close to the end of a spiritual Friday, and that BIG Sabbath in the command is yet to come. The 7-day Sabbath rest that the Jews keep is a "schoolmaster" educational tool God gave to Moses, which refers to this BIG Day just around the corner! We are not spiritual Sabbath breakers. On the REAL SABBATH DAY everyone will REST and that rest will be enforced! http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/rest.html Those who want men to rest on Sabbath can take solace on Father's will ... it shall be done! Isaiah 66:22-23.

    5. The fifth Commandment has both a natural and Spiritual side. We have natural earthly parents. I am sure as teenagers we probably dishonored our parents through anger when they got on us about getting involved in teenage activities, like dating, sex, drugs, and our choice of friends and getting a job. Young horses do not like being tied by parents. I am sure we thought and even said some things we really did not mean about our parents, and we now regret our sins of youth. As older wiser people we have learned to appreciate our parents and we keep this commandment unless our parents have passed over (died). We all honor and reverence our Father God. But He has a Wife! You have not learned to honor and respect Her! She is El Shaddai! http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v4gn/shaddai.html Some call Her Mother Wisdom or Mother Jerusalem. http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/mothrwis.html I have a web-site in Her honor at http://goodnewsinc.org I may be the only participant in this discussion who keeps THIS commandment in its fullest! Most of you keep it in part because you do not know your Mother. She is the Lady of Rev. 12 and Proverbs 8:12-31.

    6. I do not think we break this commandment. We do not kill people. Jesus said if you hate a man without a cause in your heart, you are a murderer. I hope my Jewish brethren do not summarily hate Palestinians because of the fiasco of bloodshed in the Middle East. Jesus taught us to love our enemies. If they are in the process of slaying you, you must say, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". I would hope that my Sabbath Day advocates also keep this commandment. In general I can conclude that we all should keep this command.

    7. I hope and believe we are not involved in sexual trysts while married and that we steer clear of sexual affairs outside of our spouses. Even if we broke this in the past, we keep it now, because we have learned better behavior more pleasing to our Father. I would think everyone in this discussion keeps this commandment.

    8. I am very certain that none of us are thieves. I have occasionally picked up an ink pen at work and instinctively put it in my lab coat. I end up with a pocket full of pens. When that happens I also go around the work areas and re-distribute them. If you do not "swipe" things while shopping like kids may do, then I think we all keep this commandment. I assume we are mature adults who work and pay for our goods.

    9. How many of us are liars? We would not be here if we were false witnesses, would we? There is a spiritual side to this. Men have lied on both God and Christ saying they will judge and damn men with Lucifer and his family in the lake of fire and brimstone. That is a lie! Luke 9:51-56, 15:15-32, Isaiah 57:16-21, Malachi 3:6,17. They do not understand how Matthew 5:43-48 works with God. Most Jews and Christians boldly break this commandment as false witnesses about God's Judgment. Revelation 15:3-4, 5:13, Isaiah 25:6-8, 66:22-23 tell you the outcome of Father's judgment. Most men are found to be liars and false witnesses! See also http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/jgmanfst.html

    10. I hope we all keep this command. Sometimes a neighbor may have an attractive spouse. That spouse may have eyes for you. It could be a co-worker on the job. I hope none of us plot and scheme to find a way to help ruin someone's marriage so we can gain access to the divorcee. Tale bearing and inciting words when we learn of trouble in our neighbor's marriage with the hope of precipitating a divorce to facilitate your secret lust is to break this commandment. Do you have a rich relative who is ill, old, or feeble-minded? Do not do anything to swindle him or them or to make yourself the legal guardian of his or their property to assuage a greedy eye. I am not 100% sure but I hope we all keep this commandment.

    For a more complete treatment of this subject go to http://www.goodnewsinc.net/v3gn/kepthcom.html

    Okay, folks! Add up all the commandments that you know you keep. I hope all of you made a perfect 10! If not you have some work to do! No one did away with the Ten Commandments. Jesus did not take away this law, but he fulfilled what was written about him. But the "handwriting of ordinances" is a different story. That was removed.

    GOOD NEWS, Inc.

    GOOD NEWS, Inc. :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
     
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