The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

[klutedavid]

Yahshua doesn't contradict YHWH's word. That would make him a false prophet. He magnifies YHWH's law.

Yes He does. Jesus magnified the law against adultery so that none escape.

The law sentences you to death for the magnitude of your sin.

The law delivers condemnation and rightly so, for that was the reason it was given. Thunder and lightning emanate from every letter of the law. Even Moses failed in the end.

Israel was grafted out, hardened. None escape the condemnation.

The law was a mere prelude to the arrival of the messiah. The only One who could set us free from this body of death!

 

[BABerean2]

Yahshua doesn't contradict YHWH's word. That would make him a false prophet. He magnifies YHWH's law.

Do we have to now be circumcised, or do we have One who was circumcised for us?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:


Paul said we are to judge nobody in sabbath days. He also said sabbath days were but a shadow of Christ. Those in the New Covenant are to worship Christ every day of the week. We are to rest in Him.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Has there been a change in the law in the verse below, or has it been "magnified"?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in the passage below, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion.

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


The books of Galatians, and Hebrews were written to address the battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. That battle has now raged for almost 2,000 years, and during most of that time the Judaisers have won the day.

(Bob George explains the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.)
The New Covenant: Bob George

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[Andre_b]

Do we have to now be circumcised, or do we have One who was circumcised for us?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:


Paul said we are to judge nobody in sabbath days. He also said sabbath days were but a shadow of Christ. Those in the New Covenant are to worship Christ every day of the week. We are to rest in Him.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Has there been a change in the law in the verse below, or has it been "magnified"?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in the passage below, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion.

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


The books of Galatians, and Hebrews were written to address the battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. That battle has now raged for almost 2,000 years, and during most of that time the Judaisers have won the day.

(Bob George explains the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.)
The New Covenant: Bob George

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Please explain to me the reason why God put the 10 commandments inside the ark of the testimony, but the BOOK OF THE COVENANT beside the ark?

 

[Andre_b]

Do we have to now be circumcised, or do we have One who was circumcised for us?

Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:


Paul said we are to judge nobody in sabbath days. He also said sabbath days were but a shadow of Christ. Those in the New Covenant are to worship Christ every day of the week. We are to rest in Him.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.



Has there been a change in the law in the verse below, or has it been "magnified"?

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


We are not come to Mount Sinai in the passage below, but are come instead to the New Covenant of Mount Sion.

Heb 12:18 For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, (Mount Sinai)

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


The books of Galatians, and Hebrews were written to address the battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. That battle has now raged for almost 2,000 years, and during most of that time the Judaisers have won the day.

(Bob George explains the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18.)
The New Covenant: Bob George

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So is the entire Old Testament the Old Covenant which the New Covenant completely replaces all the covenants in the Old Testament?

 

[BABerean2]

So is the entire Old Testament the Old Covenant which the New Covenant completely replaces all the covenants in the Old Testament?

Not based on the scripture below.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


The above is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.

Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Therefore, Paul confirmed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

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[Andre_b]

Not based on the scripture below.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


The above is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.

Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Therefore, Paul confirmed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

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Abraham already had laws and commandments. Moses received new laws which were added to the already existing ones because of transgressions. What are transgressions? Cain had these commandments already, even though it wasn't mentioned before.

 

[BABerean2]

Abraham already had laws and commandments. Moses received new laws which were added to the already existing ones because of transgressions. What are transgressions?

Abraham was commanded to circumcise males, and he was commanded to go to a land God would show him.

 

[Andre_b]

Abraham was commanded to circumcise males, and he was commanded to go to a land God would show him.

Exactly so he simply added more ceremonial laws and created the land of Israel to separate his people. Commandments already existed but kept adding more laws because of transgressions. The more people disobeyed the already existing ones the more laws were added to those people.

 

[Andre_b]

Abraham was commanded to circumcise males, and he was commanded to go to a land God would show him.

So only 2 commandments? I guess he was allowed kill on his way, steal and anything else that wasn't part of those 2 commandments?

 

[Andre_b]

Not based on the scripture below.

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.


The above is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16-29.

Paul said the law was "added" 430 years "after" the promise made to Abraham, "until" the seed (Christ) could come to whom the promise was made.

Therefore, Paul confirmed the temporary nature of the Sinai Covenant.

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There's also many covenants: So the rainbow of Noah is no longer a covenant valid today? We have the possibility of having a worldwide flood?

The book of the covenant was beside the ark.
The covenant of the ten commandments was inside the ark.

Why are there 2 separated covenants?

 

[BABerean2]

The book of the covenant was beside the ark.
The covenant of the ten commandments was inside the ark.

Why are there 2 separated covenants?

The book of which covenant? It was the book of the Sinai Covenant, which is the 10 commandments found in Exodus 34:28.

The 603 laws were given to explain how to keep the 10 commandments.

For example... What do you do if your neighbor's ox comes over into your field and steals your grass?
How were the children of Israel to handle that situation?

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[BobRyan]

The book of which covenant? It was the book of the Sinai Covenant, which is the 10 commandments found in Exodus 34:28.

The 603 laws were given to explain how to keep the 10 commandments.

For example... What do you do if your neighbor's ox comes over into your field and steals your grass?
How were the children of Israel to handle that situation?

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1050 commands in the NT and the 603 of the OT were given by "He who said" according to James 2. It is not our rule to be the judge of the LAW but to read and obey.

James 4:11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

 

[BobRyan]

Do we have to now be circumcised,
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Gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised in OT or NT - that made-up-rule for gentiles only came about in the NT by Christian Jews who were worried that their religion would be 99.99% gentile and .01% jewish at the rate that the new Christian faith was taking off.

 

[pasifika]

Gentiles were never commanded to be circumcised in OT or NT - that made-up-rule for gentiles only came about in the NT by Christian Jews who were worried that their religion would be 99.99% gentile and .01% jewish at the rate that the new Christian faith was taking off.

Genesis 17:12... every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household OR bought with money from a foreigner - those who are Not your offspring....

 

[BABerean2]

1050 commands in the NT and the 603 of the OT were given by "He who said" according to James 2. It is not our rule to be the judge of the LAW but to read and obey.

James 4:11 Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

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[HARK!]

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Why bring the Oral Law into this? I don't see the connection.

 

[BABerean2]

Why bring the Oral Law into this? I don't see the connection.

Why bring an invented term known as "the Oral Law" into this discussion?

The Apostle Paul never divided the law in the Book of Galatians when he compelled the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31.

Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.


Which covenant comes from Mount Sinai, and which covenant comes from Calvary?

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

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[BobRyan]

Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
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Is the "yoke" the "Word of God" that no one is able to bear? Scripture? the "Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19?? Or is the "yoke" that which Christ Himself condemned in Mark 7:6-13 - the "traditions of man" that he slam-hammered sola-scriptura?

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

Instead of saying "you transgress the much hated and deficient commandment of God" Jesus upholds it "as the standard" the sola-scriptura standard that judges all tradition and practice.

 

[BobRyan]

Genesis 17:12... every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household OR bought with money from a foreigner - those who are Not your offspring....

Every male "on planet earth" or "among you"??

Abraham had no "nation" no "clan" no "group" to circumcise as the identified group following the Lord.

Clearly Genesis 17 is not a command to all gentiles nor does it say that if you are not a shepherd for Abraham you cannot go to heaven. Melchizadek was not "among Abraham's" shepherd there is no indication that Abraham said to him "I will not pay you tithes unless you are circumcised because there is no salvation apart from circumcision". The very claim that the false teachers of Acts 15:1-2 were making about it.

Shall we join them? I vote "no"

 

[pasifika]

Every male "on planet earth" or "among you"??

Abraham had no "nation" no "clan" no "group" to circumcise as the identified group following the Lord.

Clearly Genesis 17 is not a command to all gentiles nor does it say that if you are not a shepherd for Abraham you cannot go to heaven. Melchizadek was not "among Abraham's" shepherd there is no indication that Abraham said to him "I will not pay you tithes unless you are circumcised because there is no salvation apart from circumcision". The very claim that the false teachers of Acts 15:1-2 were making about it.

Shall we join them? I vote "no"

Every male among you......”Including” those born in your household, or bought with money from a foreigner- those who are Not your offspring...so this reference to foreigners or Gentiles who are part of Abraham’s household...Not All foreigners on earth...

Yes, No one can be save by the physical circumcision( by hand) BUT you must be circumcise spiritually (by Spirit) in order for you to belong to Christ...Colossians 2:11,12...