The Sabbath of the TEN Commandments - for all mankind (V2)

[BABerean2]

which is quite different from saying these practices are unnecessary or obsolete.

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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[Dkh587]

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

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Isolating verses and applying your own context isn’t going to get either one of us anywhere.

 

[Andre_b]

Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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You forgot Hebrews 8:10 also included in the new covenant:

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." Clearly doing a parallel of the tables of stone (10 commandments) being moved to the heart.

In verse 3, Paul uses the metaphor of a letter of commendation (verses 1 and 2) to lead into a discussion comparing the Old and New Covenants. When God made the Old Covenant with ancient Israel, Moses wrote the commandments, statutes, and judgments that God had given to him in a book with "ink" (Exodus 24:4). God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger on two tablets of stone (Exodus 31:18; 32:15-16). However, Paul points out, under the New Covenant, God has given us His Spirit, enabling us to keep His laws in their spiritual intent. He is now writing His Ten Commandments on our hearts (Hebrews 8:10)!

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" he is quoting Jeremiah's prophecy.

 

[Andre_b]

If it is "parallel" to the ten commandments, why did Paul compel the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31?


Why are we not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 7:12?


Why did Paul compel the Colossian church not to judge others in sabbath days in Colossians 2:16-17?

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Yes again, the book of the law is beside the ark, the one that includes the laws allow the priests to execute people for breaking the law, the same book that was called "against us", the one that Jesus replaces. However there's still the covenant of the Ten Commandments INSIDE the ark, that says it will be written on tables of flesh in our hearts. Jesus replaces the ministry of death since he came to give us life and won't condemn us for breaking the law, even though God's law is still in effect.

If you believe the law has been annulled then even the unbelievers won't be condemned since there's no law.

I don't see that in Hebrews 7:12

 

[klutedavid]

Please explain to me the reason why God put the 10 commandments inside the ark of the testimony, but the BOOK OF THE COVENANT beside the ark?

Aaron's rod that budded was in the ark also. There was also a pot, I think I remember, that had some manna in it.

What was in the ark does not necessarily determine its importance.

Your walking through the shadows of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, and not seeing the fulfillment in the New Testament.

The ark of the covenant is no more and nor is the book of the law, that was in the ark.

Not one letter of the law will pass until all things are fulfilled.

 

[Andre_b]

Aaron's rod that budded was in the ark also. There was also a pot, I think I remember, that had some manna in it.

What was in the ark does not necessarily determine its importance.

Your walking through the shadows of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, and not seeing the fulfillment in the New Testament.

The ark of the covenant is no more and nor is the book of the law, that was in the ark.

Not one letter of the law will pass until all things are fulfilled.

Wow what's was in the ark is not of importance. Why would it be separated? Every details of the tabernacle was of symbol and important, you simply just want to ignore it.

The ark is in heaven now which is a copy of what God had given to Moses. It will be also there in heaven, haven't you read Hebrews?

Revelation 11:19 "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

However, many ignore what's inside the ark because they follow the commandments of men.

 

[BABerean2]

You forgot Hebrews 8:10 also included in the new covenant:

2 Corinthians 3:2-3 "Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart." Clearly doing a parallel of the tables of stone (10 commandments) being moved to the heart.

In verse 3, Paul uses the metaphor of a letter of commendation (verses 1 and 2) to lead into a discussion comparing the Old and New Covenants. When God made the Old Covenant with ancient Israel, Moses wrote the commandments, statutes, and judgments that God had given to him in a book with "ink" (Exodus 24:4). God wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger on two tablets of stone (Exodus 31:18; 32:15-16). However, Paul points out, under the New Covenant, God has given us His Spirit, enabling us to keep His laws in their spiritual intent. He is now writing His Ten Commandments on our hearts (Hebrews 8:10)!

Hebrews 8:10 "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" he is quoting Jeremiah's prophecy.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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[Andre_b]

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Yes Jesus replaces the earthly priests. Tables are now in our heart. Now that is so much better than having to bring a lamb, often to the temple and do all the 70+sabbaths, feasts, new moons, etc etc. You ignore a lot don't you.

 

[Andre_b]

Aaron's rod that budded was in the ark also. There was also a pot, I think I remember, that had some manna in it.

What was in the ark does not necessarily determine its importance.

Your walking through the shadows of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, and not seeing the fulfillment in the New Testament.

The ark of the covenant is no more and nor is the book of the law, that was in the ark.

Not one letter of the law will pass until all things are fulfilled.

Ten Commandments now moved to the tables of the heart. 100% clear. Just like Sabbath was made for man. 100% clear. But people are like Pharisees changing the laws.

 

[pasifika]

Aaron's rod that budded was in the ark also. There was also a pot, I think I remember, that had some manna in it.

What was in the ark does not necessarily determine its importance.

Your walking through the shadows of the Old Testament, the Old Covenant, and not seeing the fulfillment in the New Testament.

The ark of the covenant is no more and nor is the book of the law, that was in the ark.

Not one letter of the law will pass until all things are fulfilled.

Yes, I think they forgot that Jesus Christ was the temple and so is us...is Not about a physical building in which the ark is kept, but is about the spiritual temple in which God resides and we are that temple just as Jesus Christ was in which God lives in us by His Spirit..

 

[klutedavid]

Ten Commandments now moved to the tables of the heart. 100% clear. Just like Sabbath was made for man. 100% clear. But people are like Pharisees changing the laws.

Wrong set of commandments you have there.

I am not like a Pharisee, I don't interpret the law for everyone. I do not change the laws.

Why do you ignore the most important commandments in the scripture?

1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

What commandments is John talking about?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

1 John 4:21
And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.

See how John in his letter warns you against not obeying the commandments. Then John spells out the commandments that Jesus gave.

New Covenant means a change in the law.

New High Priest means a change in the law.

A new and perfect sacrifice also means a change in the law.

A new creation instituted by Jesus means the old covenant has seen it's day.

 

[klutedavid]

Yes, I think they forgot that Jesus Christ was the temple and so is us...is Not about a physical building in which the ark is kept, but is about the spiritual temple in which God resides and we are that temple just as Jesus Christ was in which God lives in us by His Spirit..

Oh yes, your correct.

Your reading the scripture and seeing the Christ for who He really was. The absolute fulfillment of everything that any law or prophet has ever called for.

They completely miss the spiritual component of the New Covenant and the change in the law. The law was weak and useless and so were the sacrifices, the priesthood, all earthly shadows.

The law came through Moses but GRACE and truth came through Jesus Christ.

 

[Andre_b]

Wrong set of commandments you have there.

I am not like a Pharisee, I don't interpret the law for everyone. I do not change the laws.

Why do you ignore the most important commandments in the scripture?

1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

What commandments is John talking about?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

1 John 4:21
And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.

See how John in his letter warns you against not obeying the commandments. Then John spells out the commandments that Jesus gave.

New Covenant means a change in the law.

New High Priest means a change in the law.

A new and perfect sacrifice also means a change in the law.

A new creation instituted by Jesus means the old covenant has seen it's day.

You again are like a Pharisee changing the laws of God. That's exactly my point of a Pharisee. You don't even know what Love one another means. You just like quoting something that says commandment and make believe it replaces all the other ones. If it's only love one another then why is tables of the heart plural, and why would he say in the same line tables of stone, you are full of denial of straightforward scripture and quote something that has nothing to do with 2 Corinthians 3:2-3.

Since I love my neighbours I guess I should marry them since I "love" them according to you.

You also forgot the two greatest commandments which are a summary of the Ten. That's why the Pharisees knew what he was talking about when he told them that because they were trying to have him pick one. Just like you are picking only one. A new commandment doesn't mean replace. Jesus says I didn't come to destroy but to "fulfilled" you know, as make it more full. You are the one destroying the law.

1. Loyalty: No other God's. Demonstrate love.
2. Worship: Prohibits worship of images. Demonstrate love.
3. Reverence: Respect His holy name. Demonstrate love.
4. Remember the Sabbath, His holy day. Do good. Demonstrate love.
5. Love our parents by honoring them. Demonstrate love.
6. Respect for human life. Demonstrate love, not hatred, toward others.
7. Purity in relationships. Demonstrate love by not committing adultery.
8. Honesty. Do not steal. Demonstrate our love, don't steal
9. Truthfulness. Do not lie or deceive others. Demonstrate our love.
10. Contentment. Do not covet. Demonstrate love.

 

[Andre_b]

Wrong set of commandments you have there.

I am not like a Pharisee, I don't interpret the law for everyone. I do not change the laws.

Why do you ignore the most important commandments in the scripture?

1 John 2:3
By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments.

What commandments is John talking about?

1 John 3:23-24
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him.

1 John 4:21
And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.

See how John in his letter warns you against not obeying the commandments. Then John spells out the commandments that Jesus gave.

New Covenant means a change in the law.

New High Priest means a change in the law.

A new and perfect sacrifice also means a change in the law.

A new creation instituted by Jesus means the old covenant has seen it's day.

Don't forget the ark of the covenant is also in heaven because it was there before Moses.

We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man. ... There are priests ... who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, ‘See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain’ ” (Hebrews 8:1, 2, 4

Revelation 11:19 "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail." - sounds like something spectacular just like on mount Sinai...

 

[HARK!]

What would an unbiased witness say upon reading the verse?

The word "circumcision" in not in the text.

Colossians 2:16

(CJB) So don't let anyone pass judgment on you in connection with eating and drinking, or in regard to a Jewish festival or Rosh-Hodesh or Shabbat.

(ESV) Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.

(Geneva) Let no man therefore condemne you in meate and drinke, or in respect of an holy day, or of the newe moone, or of the Sabbath dayes,

(Greek NT TR) μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει η εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νουμηνιας η σαββατων

(GW) Therefore, let no one judge you because of what you eat or drink or about the observance of annual holy days, New Moon Festivals, or weekly worship days.

(LITV-TSP) Then do not let anyone judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or the new moon, or of sabbaths,

(KJV) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(KJV+) Let noG3361 manG5100 thereforeG3767 judgeG2919 youG5209 inG1722 meat,G1035 orG2228 inG1722 drink,G4213 orG2228 inG1722 respectG3313 of an holyday,G1859 orG2228 of the new moon,G3561 orG2228 of the sabbathG4521 days:

(NKJV) So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

(NLT) So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths.

(YLT) Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

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Context is key!

(CLV) Col 2:13
you also being dead to the offenses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He vivifies us together jointly with Him, dealing graciously with all our offenses,

(CLV) Col 2:14
erasing the handwriting of the decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and has taken it away out of the midst, nailing it to the cross,

(CLV) Col 2:15
stripping off the sovereignties and authorities, with boldness He makes a show of them, triumphing over them in it.

(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

 

[pasifika]

Don't forget the ark of the covenant is also in heaven because it was there before Moses.

We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, a Minister of the sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man. ... There are priests ... who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, ‘See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain’ ” (Hebrews 8:1, 2, 4

Revelation 11:19 "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail." - sounds like something spectacular just like on mount Sinai...

Revelation 21:22...I did Not see a temple in the city (Holy City) because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are it's temple....

 

[Andre_b]

Revelation 21:22...I did Not see a temple in the city (Holy City) because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are it's temple....

This is after the millennial reign where a temple is no longer needed since God and the Lamb are the temple which is part of the city. There's a temple in heaven beforehand and is a replica of the earthly one. You truly want to avoid the very straightforward verses seeing as you are trying to find something to avoid it. Just like the tables of stone now being placed on the tables of the heart. And the Sabbath was made for man.

Explain to me the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-7 that the Gentiles will keep the Sabbath. AND will be able to approach God on his Holy mountain.

 

[BABerean2]

Context is key!

(CLV) Col 2:13
you also being dead to the offenses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He vivifies us together jointly with Him, dealing graciously with all our offenses,

(CLV) Col 2:14
erasing the handwriting of the decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and has taken it away out of the midst, nailing it to the cross,

(CLV) Col 2:15
stripping off the sovereignties and authorities, with boldness He makes a show of them, triumphing over them in it.

(CLV) Col 2:16
Let no one, then, be judging you in food or in drink or in the particulars of a festival, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths,

Are you saying there is one set of laws for Gentile Christians, and a different set of laws for Jewish Christians?

Paul had to correct Peter for treating these two groups differently.

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[HARK!]

Are you saying there is one set of laws for Gentile Christians, and a different set of laws for Jewish Christians?

There are no Jews nor gentiles in Messiah:

(CLV) Ga 3:27
For whoever are baptized into Christ, put on Christ,

(CLV) Ga 3:28
in Whom there is not Jew nor yet Greek, there is not slave nor yet free, there is not male and female, for you all are one in Christ Jesus.

There is one law even for those haven't fully laid down their lives for Messiah yet:

(CLV) Ex 12:49
One law shall there be for both the native and for the sojourner sojourning in your midst.

 

[pasifika]

This is after the millennial reign where a temple is no longer needed since God and the Lamb are the temple which is part of the city. There's a temple in heaven beforehand and is a replica of the earthly one. You truly want to avoid the very straightforward verses seeing as you are trying to find something to avoid it. Just like the tables of stone now being placed on the tables of the heart. And the Sabbath was made for man.

Explain to me the prophecy of Isaiah 56:1-7 that the Gentiles will keep the Sabbath. AND will be able to approach God on his Holy mountain.

Yes, it’s about the New heaven and new earth Revelation 21:1 where the dwelling place of God (Holy City) is with His people...this where we all hope to be in one day...

As, you’ve said that this earthly temple given to Moses in OT is a replica of the heavenly one..

But there is also a new earth (not this current one) and new heaven with its temple and we are the new earthly temple being created in Christ Jesus to be like God Himself the true heavenly temple..(Just a thought!) Rev 21:22, 1Corin 6:19...

what about Isaiah 56:1-7? there is no mention of the Sabbath as a weekly Sabbath...well I don’t know for sure but according to Revelation 22:5 that there is no more night and also no need of the sun because God Is the source of light for His people....so i don’t know how is the Sabbath is determined in New heaven and earth...