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It is a result of me misunderstanding what was being written initially, and attempting to understand.
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It is a result of me misunderstanding what was being written initially, and attempting to understand.No idea what you are speaking of here.
It says 'the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.'It says the sixth "is" and the eighth "was." Translation, the eighth "was" before the sixth. That's why it takes wisdom to understand.
The futurist parallels I've examined indicate that the antichrist comes from the church, and from a family of power.I ask a question for you futurists.
What role doe you expect from your supposed Antichrist?
Jerry, those ten kings are alive at the time Jesus returns.... because in the days of the ten toes in Daniel 2, God will setup on earth the everylasting kingdom of God.Douglas, in prophecy days, are often used to represent years, and unlike 7t7, you know that. It’s historically confirmed the papacy legitimized the kings that received their crowns after the fall of Rome by their acknowledgment the pope stood in place of God for one thousand two hundred and sixty years, fulfilling the little horn, which is also the beast from the sea. You can close your eyes and your ears all you want. Still, it doesn’t dismiss the scriptural and historical evidence that Historicism has the proper hermeneutics to interpret Revelation and prophecy in general. You’re simply not going to surmount that the horns or toes received their crowns when Rome fell, which destroys your futurist's misrepresentations.
Good question, David, and I hope you get a lot of responses.I ask a question for you futurists.
What role doe you expect from your supposed Antichrist?
I start with the sixth king ruling at the time John received Revelation - and traced back through five fallen kings up to that time. Augustus was the first to call the time of emperor. But the prophecy doesn't mention the title of emperor.You start halfway through Roman history. If you start at the time when Rome succeeded the Greeks you should start from Augustus .
Persons holding that view basically are taking from the reformers view that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist.The futurist parallels I've examined indicate that the antichrist comes from the church, and from a family of power.
With such generalizations, it must be difficult to interpret the bible clearly. It is also obvious, you did not read my whole post.Persons holding that view basically are taking from the reformers view that the pope/papacy is the Antichrist.
I don't think the view of the Antichrist emerging out of the church is common for futurists.With such generalizations, it must be difficult to interpret the bible clearly. It is also obvious, you did not read my whole post.
This particular view looks at protestantism, and all its chaos, as the body the antichrist rises through.
I did say it's not a particular person, so "the pope is the antichrist" is not a good fit for my understanding of an "if Futurism" view.
It is also not common for prophecies to target the church, even when it is causing God's name to be blasphemed among those who don't believe.I don't think the view of the Antichrist emerging out of the church is common for futurists.
Grammatically, the eighth is “of the seven,” which includes the five. It doesn’t say the king “is” the revived “seventh,” as Douggg and futurists attempt in their misrepresentation. The preface that it takes wisdom vindicates that most won’t get it, which is apparent with all the winds of doctrine.I am a historicist. But Revelation 17: 11 says the 8th is of the 7, not the 5.
Douglas, the popes blaspheme, with is one of the criteria of the little horn, which is undeniable. Furthermore, Revelation 13 affirms that the “first beast,” the previous one, rises from the sea and receives the deadly wound.Jerry, those ten kings are alive at the time Jesus returns.... because in the days of the ten toes in Daniel 2, God will setup on earth the everylasting kingdom of God.
The little horn in Daniel 8:25 he stands up against Jesus, but gets broken not by human means. The popes across the span of 1260 years (in your view) did not stand up against Jesus to make war on Jesus. Every single one of the popes depended their salvation on Jesus dying on the cross in their behalf. The popes had other issues for sure that were not in keeping with Christian values, but gathering the armies of the world to make war on Jesus was not one of them.
25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
In Revelation 13, it is one of the heads that is mortally wounded but healed. The 7 heads are 7 kings. Since in Revelation 17:10, the future king seven must continue a short space - it will be king seven who will be mortally wounded but healed, i.e. comes back to life. And rules as the beast king for 42 months.You’re avoiding the evidence of the episode of the sea beast’s wounding is continued in chapter 17 with its “was, and is not” account. The Protestants wounded the papacy when they secularized society, which enriched the merchants, making apostate Protestantism the harlot Babylon.
You do remember when you argued against the heads being renamed kings, don’t you, Douglas? Glad to see you are making progress.In Revelation 13, it is one of the heads that is mortally wounded but healed. The 7 heads are 7 kings. Since in Revelation 17:10, the future king seven must continue a short space - it will be king seven who will be mortally wounded but healed, i.e. comes back to life. And rules as the beast king for 42 months.
king 7 is not an office - i.e. the papacy - but an individual king.
The scarlet colored beast is Satan.Again, Revelation 17:9-11 states the scarlet beast is also the eighth king, and it “was” before the sixth; that makes him one of the fallen five
The angel having the last plagues shows John the harlot seated upon the scarlet beast.The scarlet colored beast is Satan.
Satan is not any of the seven kings, nor king eight.
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King eight is the beast king, formerly one of the seven (forthcoming king seven to be exact). He and the false prophet when Jesus returns get cast alive into the lake of fire.
Differently, Satan will be bound and cast into the bottomless pit.
The Man of Sin. Human.Nothing but a beast, not even human.
You misrepresent me. I argued against the kings in Revelation 17:10 as being renamed as "kingdoms". They are kings not kingdoms.You do remember when you argued against the heads being renamed kings, don’t you, Douglas? Glad to see you are making progress.
The seven heads are not "renamed" kings. The seven heads "represent" seven kings. Just like the ten horns are not "renamed" kings. The ten horns "represent" ten kings.Your error on the beast is just as myopic as your failure to discern that the seven heads are renamed seven kings initially.
The eighth king, the beast king of the end times, is of the seven other kings. It is the eighth king, the beast king that will be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's return.The scarlet beast is the same as the eighth king in verse 11, affirmed by the detail that it “was, and is not,” too. The beast is cast into the burning flame in Chapter 19 and is with the false prophet when Satan is also cast there, too, in 20:10.
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