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Many believe that every knee bowing and tongue confessing is done by compunction, let see if that view holds any water.
Bow and confess
I waited a few days before posting this as I was hoping to see if those who believe in eternal torment or annihilation would acknowledge the truth concerning the words bow and confess, that they mean to bow in religious veneration and confess in praise. So as it seems none of them who believe in eternal torment or annihilation won't bother to actually look up the words bow and confess or refuse to acknowledge the truth concerning the words bow and confess, I post this for the reader.
Concerning the word Bow
Vine's states
1. kampto (2578), “to bend,” is used especially of bending the knees in religious veneration
Strong's states
2578 kampto { kamp’-to}
apparently a primary verb; TDNT - 3:594,413; v
AV - bow 4; 4
GK - 2828 { kavmptw }
1) to bend, bow, the knee (the knees)
1a) to one
1a1) in honour of one
1a2) in religious veneration
1b) used of worshippers
2) to bow one’s self
Vincent's word studies
At the name of Jesus ( ἐν τῷ ὀνόματι )
Rev., better, in the name. The name means here the personal name; but as including all that is involved in the name. See on Matthew 28:19. Hence the salutation is not at the name of Jesus, as by bowing when the name is uttered, but, as Ellicott rightly says: “the spiritual sphere, the holy element as it were, in which every prayer is to be offered and every knee to bow
Kampto/bow is 4 times in scripture and is only used for religious veneration.
Romans 11:4
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Romans 14:11
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Ephesians 3:14
14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Philippians 2:10
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Thus we can see that bow/kampto is only used in religious veneration.
So does the argument made by those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation, that the bowing spoken of here is doe by compulsion hold any truth? It hold no truth whatsoever.
When a belief has to change not only the meaning of the word to something completely different or substitute the word used with another word it should be clear that those who do so, do so from bias toward what they want to believe.
The word for compulsory bowing is sunkampto and those who hold to eternal torment and annihilation must change kampto to sunkempto in order for the scripture to suit their bias.
2. sunkampto (4781) signifies “to bend completely together, to bend down by compulsory force
Therefore as everyone can see kampto/bow spoken of here is used in religious veneration, and as bowing is used in religious veneration what then can the confession be?
Can it be by compulsion as those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation say it is?
Hardly, for as the bowing is done in religious veneration the confession cannot be compulsory but must be done in praise and adoration.
Let see if this is true.
Concerning the word Confess
Strong's
1843 exomologeo { ex-om-ol-og-eh’-o}
from 1537 and 3670; TDNT - 5:199,687; v
AV - confess 8, thank 2, promise 1; 11
GK - 2018 { ejxomologevw }
1) to confess
2) to profess
2a) acknowledge openly and joyfully
2b) to one’s honour: to celebrate, give praise to
2c) to profess that one will do something, to promise, agree, engage
Vincent's word studies
Shall confess ( ἐξομολογήσεται )
Primarily, to acknowledge, confess, or profess from ( ἐξ ) the heart. To make a confession to one's honor; thence to praise. So Luke 10:21(Rev., in margin, praise for thank ); Romans 15:9. Here, as Rev. in margin, shall give praise.
Vine's
2. exomologeo (1843), ek, “out,” intensive, and No. 1, and accordingly stronger than No. 1, “to confess forth,” i.e., “freely, openly,” is used (a) “of a public acknowledgment or confession of sins,” Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5; Acts 19:18; Jas. 5:16; (b) “to profess or acknowledge openly,” Matt. 11:25 (translated “thank,” but indicating the fuller idea); Phil. 2:11 (some mss. have it in Rev. 3:5: see No. 1); (c) “to confess by way of celebrating, giving praise,” Rom. 14:11; 15:9. In Luke 10:21, it is translated “I thank,” the true meaning being “I gladly acknowledge.” In Luke 22:6 it signifies to consent (rv), for kjv, “promised.
So as we can see the confession is made from the heart in celebration and praise.
Those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation would have us believe the confession here is not made from the heart and is not done in praise, however again they would have to use a different word in order to get that understanding.
The word in question is exomologeo/confess and those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation must change it to homologeo/confess to back up their bias doctrines.
Let's take a look.
1. homologeo (3670), lit., “to speak the same thing” (homos, “same,” lego, “to speak”), “to assent, accord, agree with,” denotes, (a) “to confess, declare, admit,” John 1:20; e.g., Acts 24:14; Heb. 11:13; (b) “to confess by way of admitting oneself guilty of what one is accused of, the result of inward conviction,” 1 John 1:9; (c) “to declare openly by way of speaking out freely, such confession being the effect of deep conviction of facts,” Matt. 7:23; 10:32 (twice) and Luke 12:8 (see next par.); John 9:22; 12:42; Acts 23:8; Rom. 10:9-10 (“confession is made”); 1 Tim. 6:12 (rv); Titus 1:16; 1 John 2:23; 4:2, 15; 2 John 7 (in John’s epistle it is the necessary antithesis to Gnostic doceticism); Rev. 3:5, in the best mss. (some have No. 2 here); (d) “to confess by way of celebrating with praise,” Heb. 13:15; (e) “to promise,” Matt. 14:7.
In Matt. 10:32 and Luke 12:8 the construction of this verb with en, “in,” followed by the dative case of the personal pronoun, has a special significance, namely, to “confess” in a person’s name, the nature of the “confession” being determined by the context, the suggestion being to make a public “confession.” Thus the statement, “every one … who shall confess Me (lit. “in Me,” i.e., in My case) before men, him (lit., “in him,” i.e., in his case) will I also confess before My Father … ,” conveys the thought of “confessing” allegiance to Christ as one’s Master and Lord, and, on the other hand, of acknowledgment, on His part, of the faithful one as being His worshipper and servant, His loyal follower; this is appropriate to the original idea in homologeo of being identified in thought or language. See proefess, promise, thank.
Now what is worth noticing here is that exomologeo is used in a stronger sense then homologeo, which is the word those who believe in eternal torment and annihilation believe the confession use here to be.
Therefore when we take the scriptures, and the meaning of the words used in the scriptures, we can all see (some will acknowledge it, others will not)that the doctrines of eternal torment and annihilation do not conform to what the scriptures state, but make what the scriptures state conform to their doctrine.
So what is the true meaning of the scriptures used here?
Philippians 2:10-11
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow (in religious veneration), of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess ( in praise and adoration) that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
to me, lately, i just want to let go of the fear... the fear of it all, and trust God to be GOOD.Judgement=
JUDGMENT
First of all, consider the meanings of the Greek word family from which was derived the term “judgment.” My translation offers the different nuances and implications of these different Greek words. Meditate on what is meant about the process that is involved so that you can see what the New Testament is actually saying when it uses these terms:
Krinō – to separate off, divide out, in order to evaluate, determine and make a decision; to
judge
Krisis – the process or action of evaluating, determining and making a decision; judging
Krima – the result or effect of making a decision and judging; judgment
Katakrinō – to decide against, to make a down-judgment; to condemn
Katakrima – the result or effect of having been judged against or condemned
-Continued below-
http://jonathanmitchellnewtestament.com/jonathan-s-writings/eternal-eonian-life/
to me, lately, i just want to let go of the fear... the fear of it all, and trust God to be GOOD.
about a month ago, a scripture passed thru my mind, something about passing out of judgement and death and entering into life.
i thought 'well, whew!!'... but how does one know when this happens? or did it all happen, 2000 years ago?
why does the devil go on hurting us, when Jesus defeated him, 2000 years ago?
when does stuff happen? and what are the prerequisites in each of our lives?
'submit to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee'
when??? for the love of all that's good and holy, will the devil flee??? what are the prerequisites??
oh? there are no prerequisites? it's finished?
why does it go on then?
the book of revelation is a book about our personal journey in Christ?
well, that's a relief, it now makes sense THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!
i daresay that i've been more of a disturbance than a contribution, by the royal 'we' over here, love you back! <3 the royal we is me and my dog.Well, there you are dear lady. I wish F.L. could tell you how little I understand! The entire world of Abba is shrouded in mystery from beginning to ending! The one requirement for us who are grasped by a Higher Hope is trust Me. In the end all of us from least to greatest will know our God can be trusted with a capital "T".
You do know how much we love you and your contribution to this wee link, don't you!
i daresay that i've been more of a disturbance than a contribution, by the royal 'we' over here, love you back! <3 the royal we is me and my dog.
we do have a MUCH higher hope than mainstreamers have, but still i can't help feeling it should be higher.
did i mention that God said that to me once? years ago, when i was trying to seek God first thing in the morning, coz my mentor told me to... and i would rebel and find it impossible... so one night i got all stubborn about it, and i said 'TOMORROW MORNING, GOD... YOU AND ME!!!'
and the next morning, the second i gained a bit of consciousness and opened my eyes, God practically YELLED at me (not audibly, but you know how 'loud' He can be, i'm sure)... the instant i opened my eyes, God cried out 'TRUST ME!!!!' and He was sobbing, and so upset that i had to go thru all the HELL i was going thru...
now i didn't know that i WASN'T trusting Him, but those were the days that i paced the floor in terror of eternal torment... so yeah, how CAN one trust a God that promises THAT to nearly everyone. and yes, i DID read who was included in the lake of fire, no it's not just unbelievers.
now, i'm sitting here these days, wondering HOW i can trust in Him PERFECTLY in a world full of suffering, and the fact that 'a little bit' of hell might still happen after death... and i feel like crying.
i know what Jesus is like... He is tender beyond belief, so beautiful... but somehow the little bit of hell, gets in the way of me trusting Him... that makes me cry too.
“The same God who loves us as we are also loves us to much to leave us as we are. Perhaps because we tend to hold to ideas about God that reflect our own suppositions and fears, more than God's self-revelation. We reduce God to our own dimensions, ascribing to him our own reactions and responses, especially our own petty and conditional kind of love, and so end up believing in a God cast in our own image and likeness.