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Featured The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by FineLinen, Jun 24, 2018.

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  1. needhugs

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    sorry for derailing your thread... i won't be here much anymore...
     
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    If you can derail this thread you are more powerful than I thought! You, little lady have been an addition for which F.L. is grateful. Just show up when you can, and bring the dog with you and her fancy sweater.
     
  3. needhugs

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    awww you're sweet... i'm just really busy... i just found out that i'm going to have to REDO a ton of... oh nevermind lol thanks FL, it's been a great thread for me too xoxoxox
     
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    “Charles de Foucauld, the founder of the Little Brothers of Jesus, wrote a single sentence that's had a profound impact on my life. He said, "The one thing we owe absolutely to God is never to be afraid of anything." Never to be afraid of anything, even death, which, after all, is but that final breakthrough into the open, waiting, outstretched arms of Abba.”

    Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

    “I could more easily contain Niagara Falls in a tea cup than I can comprehend the wild, uncontainable love of God.” - Brennan Manning-
     
  7. needhugs

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    i love Brennan Manning! Such a great preacher, soulful man
     
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    Hi there Hugs. Brennan Manning did have a great grasp on the love of God our Father! I do trust you are making headway with your venture. May His great love envelop all of us more fully!

    “This is the God of the gospel of grace. A God who, out of love for us, sent the only Son He ever had wrapped in our skin. He learned how to walk, stumbled and fell, cried for His milk, sweated blood in the night, was lashed with a whip and showered with spit, was fixed to a cross, and died whispering forgiveness on us all.”

    ― Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out
     
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    My friend: there is no "however"! Our God IS the Saviour of all mankind. PERIOD. I will mention again that the Lord declares "....I will draw all men unto Me." Do you have any remote idea of what the Koine is for draw?

    "I will draw, drag off forcefully, impel, pull with power all men unto Me"

    "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

    And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

    For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous."

    Please note

    many= polus and is equal on both sides of the equation.

    Polus made sinners.....polus made righteous.


    BREAKING GOOD NEWS=

    Apostle Paul reports that the impact of death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord, Jesus Christ, 2,000 years ago shown to be more, not less, powerful than the disobedience of man He created 4,000 years prior (Romans 5:19)! Christians "horrified" and "offended" by this "heresy!" Furiously argue redemption of all mankind is an "insult to the cross of Christ"... -John Moneypenny-
     
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    Yes, my friend Clement, Jesus loves me! But there is more>>>>>>>>>

    "The Father Himself loves/loveth you."

    Abba Himself loves you!

    “This is the God of the gospel of grace. A God who, out of love for us, sent the only Son He ever had wrapped in our skin. He learned how to walk, stumbled and fell, cried for His milk, sweated blood in the night, was lashed with a whip and showered with spit, was fixed to a cross, and died whispering forgiveness on us all.”

    ― Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out
     
  12. needhugs

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    so, FL, do you believe that there is no hellish experience at ALL? not even a temporary one?

    coz i think i mentioned that i saw my dad in hell... a place of utter darkness, he was alone, utterly alone, filled with demons, looking at me with demonic yellow eyes, that were somehow still his eyes, he had infinite hatred for me, as he looked up at me thru the floor...

    i prayed when ever thought of it, for Jesus to get my dad out of there, and eventually God showed me that my dad was fine.

    but i do NOT know if God was showing me that he is fine NOW or if he was ALWAYS fine... my dad was a Christian, but not a good guy.

    what do you think?
     
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    My dear Hugs: There are various experiences that are dark, some all the way through. I Only know one thing (perhaps a little more), but death and hell are finalized in the Lake Of Fire & Deity. In the end the Source is the Goal of the all! Every last element ends in the Glorious One from whom all has come.

    I am tired from a full day, but seeing you again is always a joy! May He continue to lead us Home!
     
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    My dear Hugs: I know you are busy with your new business and facing limited time to devote to pursuing an aspect relating to the Restitution of all things known as "judgement". This is a vital aspect of the overall Plan of Abba and one we will pursue. For you who are following this thread please look at the following link from John Gavazonni for an idea of what is involved.>>>>>>>>

    http://greater-emmanuel.org/jg/2018/judgment.php
     
  15. needhugs

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    hello!! yes, i'm busy, just did a bulk edit by accident, sort of, that messed up all my listings and i have to manually go thru 417 listings! and i sort of have to rush!

    but I will be back ok? i want to read what that link says...

    i still don't understand what i saw in that vision of my dad... and it worries me, for all of us.

    coz he did NOT look like a man who had hope of getting out of there... but then again, he was an ET believers, your basic run of the mill Christian...

    that's why i say it worries me for all of us... but especially mainstreamers, who could get tricked by demons that hell is forever.

    and thank you for the blessings, dear friend... it's nice to feel cared about :)
     
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    “Charles de Foucauld, the found of the Little Brothers of Jesus, wrote a single sentence that's had a profound impact on my life. He said, "The one thing we owe absolutely to God is never to be afraid of anything." Never to be afraid of anything, even death, which, after all, is but that final breakthrough into the open, waiting, outstretched arms of Abba.”
    Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

    Phillip Dec. 11 1981- July 13 2002
     
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    Our God is a consuming Fire

    Fire Is A Beneficent Agent


    How shallow is the common view of "fire" as only or chiefly a penal agent. Fire, in Scripture, is the element of....

    "Life"....Isa. 4:5

    "Purification"....Matt. 3:3

    "Atonement"....Lev. 16:27

    "Transformation".....2 Pet. 3:10

    And never ever of preservation alive for purposes of anguish.

    And the popular view selects precisely this latter use, never found in Scripture, and represents it as the sole end of God's fiery judgments! If we take either the teaching of Scripture or of nature, we see that the dominant conception of fire is of a beneficent agent. Nature tells us that fire is a necessary condition of life; its mission is to sustain life; and to purify, even when it dissolves.

    Extinguish the stores of fire in the universe, and you extinguish all being; universal death reigns. Most strikingly is this connection of fire and life shown in the facts of nutrition. For we actually burn in order to live; our food is the fuel; our bodies are furnaces; our nutrition is a process of combustion; we are, in fact, "aflame to the very tips of our fingers." And so it is that round the fireside of life and work gather: when we think of home we speak of the family hearth.

    Fire Is The Sign Of God's Being

    And what Nature teaches, Scripture enforces in no doubtful tone. It is significant to find the Great Source of life constantly associated with fire in the Bible.

    Fire is the sign, not of God's wrath, but of His being.

    When God comes to Ezekiel there is a "fire unfolding itself" (Ezek. 1:4, 27) and "the appearance of fire." (Ezek. 8:2)

    Christ's eyes are a flame of "fire" (Rev. 1:14).

    The seven lamps of "fire" are the seven Spirits of God (Rev. 4:5). So a fiery stream is said "to go before God," His throne is fiery flame, its wheels are burning fire (Daniel 7:9,10). His eyes are lamps of fire (Dan. 10:6); He is a wall of fire (Zeph. 2:5). At His touch the mountains smoke (Psl. 104:32). And God's ministers are a flame of fire (Psl. 104:4...Heb. 1:7). It is not meant to deny that the Divine Fire chastises and destroys.

    Purification, Not Ruin Is The Final Outcome

    It is meant that purification, not ruin, is the final outcome of that fire from above, which consumes--call it, if you please, a paradox--in order that it may save. For if God is Love, then by what but by love can His fires be kindled? They are, in fact, the very flame of love; and so we have the key to the words, "Thy God is a consuming Fire," and "Thy God is a merciful God" (Deut. 4:24-31). So God devours the earth with fire, in order that finally all may call upon the name of the Lord (Zeph. 3:8,9)--words full of significance.

    So Isaiah tells us of God's cleansing the daughters of Zion by the spirit of burning (Isa. 4:4)--suggestive words. And, so again, "By fire will the Lord plead with all flesh." (Isa. 66:16) And Christ coming to save, comes to purify by "fire." (Mal. 3:2).

    Fire A Sign Of Favourable Response?

    Let us note, also, how often "fire" is the sign of a favourable answer from God; when God appears to Moses at the Bush it is in "fire:" God answers Gideon by "fire;" and David by "fire." (1 Chron. 21:26) Again, when He answers Elijah on Carmel, it is by "fire;" and in "fire" Elijah himself ascends to God. So God sends to Elisha, for aid, chariots and horses of "fire." So when the Psalmist calls, God answers by "fire." (Psl. 18:6-8)

    And by the pillar of "fire" God gave His law. And in "fire" the great gift of the Holy Ghost descends at Pentecost."

    Fire Is The Portion Of All

    These words bring us to the New Testament. There we find that "fire," like judgment, so far from being the sinner's portion ONLY, is the portion of all. Like God's judgment again, it is not future merely, but present; it is "already kindled," always kindled: its object is not torment, but cleansing. The proof comes from the lips of our Lord Himself. "I am come to send fire on the earth," for it is certain that He came as a Saviour. Thus, coming to save, Christ comes with fire, nay, with fire already kindled. He comes to baptize with the Holy Ghost, and with fire.

    Therefore, it is that Christ teaches in solemn passage (usually misunderstood, Mark 9:43) that everyone shall be salted with fire. And so the "fire is to try every man's work." He whose work fails is saved (mark the word saved), not damned "so as by fire," by consuming what is evil, saves and refines.

    The antient tradition that represents Christ as saying, "He that is near Me is near fire," expresses a vital truth. So Malachi, describes Christ as being in His saving work "like a refiner's fire." And so, echoing Deut 4:24-31, we are told that "our God is a consuming Fire," i.e., God in His closest relation to us; God is Love; God is Spirit: but "Our God is a consuming Fire"--a consuming Fire, "by which the whole material substance of sin is destroyed."

    When, then, we read (Psl. 18:12) that "coals of fire" go before God, we think of the deeds of love which are "coals of fire" to our enemies. (Rom. 12:20) Thus, we who teach hope for all men, do not shrink from but accept, in their fullest meaning, these mysterious "fires" of gehenna, of which Christ speaks (kindled for purification), as in a special sense the sinner's doom in the coming ages. But taught by the clearest statements of Scripture (confirmed as they are by many analogies of Nature), we see in these "fires" not a denial of, but a mode of fulfilling, the promise--

    "Behold, I make all things new."

    -Christ Triumphant-
     
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    Hugs: anyone who endured this link for 18 of the 20 days deserves all the blessings they can endure! Our loving God is so good!

    “We must go out into a desert of some kind (your backyard will do) and come into a personal experience of the awesome love of God.”

    Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out
     
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