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Featured The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by FineLinen, Jun 24, 2018.

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  1. needhugs

    needhugs Flibbertyjibbet

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    i love Gary too, i used to email with him all the time, especially when i was writing my book on universalism (don't ask lol)

    but i ended up in the hospital for long time, and lost my close touch with Gary... i emailed him recently, but he is not responding to me... i think he may have gotten angry at my sudden MIA status.

    i miss talking to him... he may not be angry at me, he may be in a bad headspace because of his wife's illness... i'm trying not to take it personally.

    i know that Gary is at the forefront, and takes a lot of doodoo for what he preaches... he is a very brave man!!
     
  2. needhugs

    needhugs Flibbertyjibbet

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    i love Romans 5 AND 8 ... 8 is so uplifting even tho i don't know how to 'walk in the Spirit'

    there is therefore now no condemnation!!! etc

    it's so sad that people think you wouldn't have to preach if everyone is going to be saved anyway... i mean, turning hell on earth into heaven on earth!!!! is THAT not a reason to preach???

    is being one with the most sweet, tender, and beautiful creator of the universes, not worth preaching???

    it makes me kind of shocked when i hear 'why bother preaching?'

    ok, we shall see you soon, i'll probably be hitting the hay soon myself... my insomnia only goes so far lol
     
  3. mark kennedy

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    That's not what I'm getting from.the New Testament, yes there will be a new heavens and a new earth, in that sense all is restored. But did you never read about the antichrist and the false prophet being cast bodily into the lake of fire? How about the books being open and everyone not found in the Lambs book of life are cast into the lake of fire? Jesus himself said if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out, better to lose a member then to have the whole body cast into the lake of fire.

    Not everyone is going to be saved, Jesus said broad is the path that leads to destruction and many are they that follow it. But narrow is the path that leads to life a few there are who find it. That's from Jesus innaugral Sermon, the Sermon on the Mount. Jesus is the one in the New Testament talking about he'll. Paul says if anyone teach another gospel let him be anathema which pretty much means go to blazes.

    By the way you keep asking why people were drawn to Christ, I want to answer that. I came under conviction for sin and prayed the sinners prayer, I must have done it a dozen times. This time God responded, I've been a Christian ever since. What has always attracted me to Christianity has been the Scriptures, a definitive standard for any doctrine, history or dispute.

    Anyway appreciate your civility in the thread, you ran the gauntlet and minded your manners. In that sense your a credit to your views, I do appreciate that about you. Now the substance of your views is something else entirely, but we can discuss it further.

    Grace and peace,
    Mark
     
  4. needhugs

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    did you not read that even 'liars' and 'the fearful' will be cast into the lake of fire along with 'unbelievers'... there is quite the list of all who will be cast into the lake of fire, not just unbelievers! and i take it you did not watch the video on what the lake of fire is.

    and Jesus said that's it's better to lop things off your body than to be thrown whole into gehenna, not the lake of fire... gehenna was the city dump, full of garbage and the dead bodies of criminals, where they kept the fire always burning, for the religious people of Jesus' day, to be cast into gehenna was a fate worse than death.

    i was on the broad path (eternal torment believing mainstream Christianity) and i was in hell on earth, that doctrine literally drove me insane, i'm not using 'drove me insane' as a figure of speech, i mean it as literally as you can take it.... now that God has finally revealed the truth to me, i'm quickly coming into heaven on earth, and of course it is 'few' who find this path. Mainstreamers will fight to the death to keep blaspheming God and terrifying themselves and others... why they want to do that, when a little study and research and seeking God in prayer would fix matters... i don't know... i just don't know.... i also don't know how ANYBODY can believe that doctrine and NOT go insane.

    but if you are 'happy' with it... have at 'er.

    God bless...
     
  5. Pneuma3

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    Huh? have you never read and then God will be all in all
     
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  6. FineLinen

    FineLinen Senior Veteran Supporter

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  7. needhugs

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    Hey friend...
    here is an old rock ballad that i sing the title line to Jesus when the going gets tough...

    When I was first saved, right after i said the sinner's prayer, i got a vision of Jesus as He was on earth, i could even smell the sweat and the sand, and Jesus looked at me with displeasure and without a word, He said 'Take this seriously'... I deserved the look of displeasure, as i was a very evil atheist not that long before... but when i realized i was in communication with God, i got SUPER SCARED, (coz i was raised catholic) and I asked Him 'how am i supposed to feel about You?' i didn't know whether to STAY cowering in TERROR at His presence or not... and He showed Himself and the Father, tho they were in shadow, and I felt the most beautiful gentle love... AND Jesus showed me Him ACCEPTING that love, and He (i'm starting to cry telling you) He is sublimely tender, and meek, and sweet, and beautiful, and as He accepted this love, He was like a small child, touching His cheek down to His shoulder in SHYNESS!!!!

    and whenever the hounds of 'religion' start barking at my heels again, and the road gets dark,
    i sing 'I REMEMBER YOU, Jesus!'
     
  8. FineLinen

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    My dear Hugs: Gary has suffered the loss of his son a few years ago from severe depression. I believe he himself is going thru a time of trial. Prayer on his behalf will likely be the most effective at this point. Mrs. F.L. and I may attempt to visit them in October if possible.
     
  9. needhugs

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    oh no!! Gary never told me that!! i was emailing with him in 2015 was it after that?

    I will pray!!!!!!!
     
  10. FineLinen

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    Dear Mark: F.L. does not want you overwhelmed with Pneuma, Hugs and Clement so I will lay low for a little bit. I do appreciate you are a Calvinist, and as such know what the Will of all wills is. "He willeth/wills all mankind to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth". F.L. is of the persuasion His will is subject to no other, and will reach complete satisfaction to Him!
     
  11. needhugs

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    don't worry about me... i'm going to bed... so tired...

    God bless you, FL
     
  12. FineLinen

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    My dear Hugs: No one grasps the awful process that brings us Home to Abba. We pray for one another and trust Him in everything. Let's sing a lovely hymn again.

     
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    Hugs: that is a good plan. You can take over the afternoon/evening shift. LOL
     
  14. FineLinen

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    You may not be getting it, just yet, but the Lake Of Fire and Divinity is part of the Plan of all plans. I am going to say it again, ta pante is the strongest word in the Canon for all/pas. Literally ta pante= the all.

    Our God has in/ by His own will declared His intention of restoring the whole of created life back into Himself from whence it came! This is His "cherished" purpose to be consummated in the fulness of times when all of the heavens, the earth, and the underworld bow in antiphonal chorus of praise and worship IN the Name of all names, the Christ!

    Notice the word IN, not at the Name, in the Name! Just be patient, our God is [the] Saviour of all/pas mankind! But wait there is more>>>>>>>>>

    He is the Saviour/Soter "especially" of those who trust in Him/ who believe.

    "From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, and in Him the all ends..."
     
  15. FineLinen

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    Then evidently His will to restore the whole of created life back in the Last Adam fails? His will that all mankind experiences the One "who wills all mankind to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth" fails? Abba who has promised to release the groaning captives of sin fails? NEVER!

    "The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free/emancipated..."

    Every last fallen son of Adam1 will not only be saved, every last one will be reconciled: every last one!>>>>>>>But there is more>>>>>

    "Saved"...."reconciled" & "made righteous."
     
  16. needhugs

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    not so fast, i'm still awake, i sent a quick note to Gary, saying i was praying for him, and that i had sensed a problem, anger, pain... he wrote back and said that i sensed right, and he gave me chapter one of a beautiful book!!! i mean ASTOUNDING...

    The Laughter of God - by Walter Lanyon

    i just got a copy on audible... i prefer audio books....

    i think the book might have 'the secret' about good and evil... i must haves a listen now.
     
  17. FineLinen

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    My dear Hugs: You will not be able to take the coming shifts in exhaustion. Go to bed, do not pass Go, go to bed!

    I love Gary A. and his Jewish wife Michelle, who has been a motivating force behind a remarkable man. F.L. will join you and Abba for a few words in His Presence.
     
  18. needhugs

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    ok ok ok lol but i can't take shifts as i'm super duper busy right now... i just needed a break today... you will just have to pine away at my absence i guess lol

    Gary, he doesn't deserve pain... he has worked so tirelessly for God, AND for all of us, he really is at the front lines, and i don't know what we would do without him!
     
  19. Pneuma3

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    I think you need a :hug:, hugs.

    I don't think we are to fear God as in being scared of Him, I believe we are to be in awe of Him and IMO the salvation of this whole messed up world is truly awe inspiring.
     
  20. FineLinen

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