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The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

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Romans 8=

"God put his love on the line for us by offering his Son in sacrificial death while we were of no use whatever to him.

Now that we are set right with God by means of this sacrificial death, the consummate blood sacrifice, there is no longer a question of being at odds with God in any way.

If, when we were at our worst, we were put on friendly terms with God by the sacrificial death of his Son, now that we're at our best, just think of how our lives will expand and deepen by means of his resurrection life!

Now that we have actually received this amazing friendship with God, we are no longer content to simply say it in plodding prose. We sing and shout our praises to God through Jesus, the Messiah!

You know the story of how Adam landed us in the dilemma we're in - first sin, then death, and no one exempt from either sin or death.

That sin disturbed relations with God in everything and everyone, but the extent of the disturbance was not clear until God spelled it out in detail to Moses. So death, this huge abyss separating us from God, dominated the landscape from Adam to Moses. Even those who didn't sin precisely as Adam did by disobeying a specific command of God still had to experience this termination of life, this separation from God.

But Adam, who got us into this, also points ahead to the One who will get us out of it.

Yet the rescuing gift is not exactly parallel to the death-dealing sin. If one man's sin put crowds of people at the dead-end abyss of separation from God, just think what God's gift poured through one man, Jesus Christ, will do!

There's no comparison between that death-dealing sin and this generous, life-giving gift. The verdict on that one sin was the death sentence; the verdict on the many sins that followed was this wonderful life sentence.

If death got the upper hand through one man's wrongdoing, can you imagine the breathtaking recovery life makes, sovereign life, in those who grasp with both hands this wildly extravagant life-gift, this grand setting-everything-right, that the one man Jesus Christ provides?

Here it is in a nutshell: Just as one person did it wrong and got us in all this trouble with sin and death, another person did it right and got us out of it. But more than just getting us out of trouble, he got us into life!

One man said no to God and put many people in the wrong; one man said yes to God and put many in the right.

All that passing laws against sin did was produce more lawbreakers. But sin didn't, and doesn't, have a chance in competition with the aggressive forgiveness we call grace. When it's sin versus grace, grace wins hands down.

All sin can do is threaten us with death, and that's the end of it. Grace, because God is putting everything together again through the Messiah, invites us into life - a life that goes on and on and on, world without end." -The Message-

 
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"Jonathan Edwards, The Eternity of Hell Torments, 1739"

" “The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardour of the love and gratitude of the saints of heaven. The sight of hell’s torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.” " https://forum.evangelicaluniversalist.com/t/a-fearful-thing/13294
 
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"Good grief!" says Charlie Brown.

Let us hear a brief word from the Throne.

"Let me ask you something profound yet troubling. If you became believers because you trusted the proclamation that Christ is alive, risen from the dead, how can you let people say that there is no such thing as a resurrection?

If there's no resurrection, there's no living Christ. And face it - if there's no resurrection for Christ, everything we've told you is smoke and mirrors, and everything you've staked your life on is smoke and mirrors.

Not only that, but we would be guilty of telling a string of barefaced lies about God, all these affidavits we passed on to you verifying that God raised up Christ - sheer fabrications, if there's no resurrection.

If corpses can't be raised, then Christ wasn't, because he was indeed dead. And if Christ wasn't raised, then all you're doing is wandering about in the dark, as lost as ever.

It's even worse for those who died hoping in Christ and resurrection, because they're already in their graves. If all we get out of Christ is a little inspiration for a few short years, we're a pretty sorry lot.

But the truth is that Christ has been raised up, the first in a long legacy of those who are going to leave the cemeteries. There is a nice symmetry in this: Death initially came by a man, and resurrection from death came by a man. Everybody dies in Adam; everybody comes alive in Christ.

But we have to wait our turn: Christ is first, then those with him at his Coming, the grand consummation when, after crushing the opposition, he hands over his kingdom to God the Father. He won't let up until the last enemy is down - and the very last enemy is death!

As the psalmist said, "He laid them low, one and all; he walked all over them." When Scripture says that "he walked all over them," it's obvious that he couldn't at the same time be walked on.

When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will step down, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive - a perfect ending!"
 
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2 Peter 3:9

"God isn't late with his promise as some measure lateness. He is restraining himself on account of you, holding back the End because he doesn't want anyone lost. He's giving everyone space and time to change.


But when the Day of God's Judgment does come, it will be unannounced, like a thief. The sky will collapse with a thunderous bang, everything disintegrating in a huge conflagration, earth and all its works exposed to the scrutiny of Judgment.

Since everything here today might well be gone tomorrow, do you see how essential it is to live a holy life?

Daily expect the Day of God, eager for its arrival.

The galaxies will burn up and the elements melt down that day - but we'll hardly notice. We'll be looking the other way, ready for the promised new heavens and the promised new earth, all landscaped with righteousness.

So, my dear friends, since this is what you have to look forward to, do your very best to be found living at your best, in purity and peace.

Interpret our Master's patient restraint for what it is: salvation.

Our good brother Paul, who was given much wisdom in these matters,16 refers to this in all his letters, and has written you essentially the same thing. Some things Paul writes are difficult to understand. Irresponsible people who don't know what they are talking about twist them every which way. They do it to the rest of the Scriptures, too, destroying themselves as they do it.

But you, friends, are well-warned. Be on guard lest you lose your footing and get swept off your feet by these lawless and loose-talking teachers.

Grow in grace and understanding of our Master and Savior, Jesus Christ. Glory to the Master, now and forever! Yes!
 
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2 Peter 3:9=

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

Not willing= Mhv bouvlomai

Bouvlomai=

To purpose. To have a purpose.

To will deliberately. Be minded.

Willing as an affection. To desire.

"In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;.... down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him." -C.S. Lewis
 
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Young's Literal Translation=

"The Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation."

Dr. Marvin Vincent N.T. Word Studies

Is not slack = ou bradunei.

Only here and 1 Tim. 3:15.

The word is literally to delay or loiter.

So Septuagint, Gen. xliii. 10, "except we had lingered."

Alford's rendering, is not tardy, would be an improvement.

The word implies, besides delay, the idea of lateness with reference to an appointed time.

Come= cwrhsai. Move on, or advance to.

From Him, through Him, for Him
 
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J.R. says=

"No, I recognize that God is not "omnipotent," >>>>>>>>

What an interesting dogma. Interesting, but silly with a capital "S"!

“For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?”
 
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The God of Restitution of all things that fills me with wonder and worship. The Restitution as spoken by the prophets from earliest ages, continues to grasp those who will take a moment to stop and listen.

Did you know that P.T. Barnum, the great showman of the last century, had a keen knowledge of our Father's great purpose in the Son of His love?

"God began to be heard by men and a record made of it even in much despised Genesis. Possibly we have heard clearer words since, but that was, on the whole, a very good beginning. The bearing of His Word is progressive and cumulative until, in the fulness of time, it was "made flesh and dwelt among us full of grace and truth." The New Testament system of religion is not true because Jesus said so; but Jesus said so because it is true. Its confirmation is not chiefly in inspiration and miracle but in the deepest experience of the best souls in all ages. The Word of God to men did not cease when the New Testament canon closed. Still is the best thought of the best men in all lands the ever-speaking Word of God.

As Robinson of Leyden said, "The Lord has more truth yet to break forth out of His Holy Word." Said Lowell in his "Cathedral," "I fear not Thy withdrawal; more I fear seeing, to know Thee not, hoodwinked with dreams of signs and wonders, while, unnoticed, Thou walking Thy garden still commun'st with men." I shall appeal with confidence to God's Word in the trend of Scripture, in Jesus and in the nature of man. That all may know definitely what a Universalist believes I will give our written official creed; for we present the anomaly of having a written creed we dare to preach and which fairly represents the principles we build on....."

WHY I AM A UNIVERSALIST - P.T. BARNUM

"God is the Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe/trust in Him. Command this & teach this"
 
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This thread is based upon [I said:
'false doctrine'[/I] and therefore, behooves 'Old GM' to speak out against it.

Dear Old GM: what part of " command & teach" is evading your understanding?

"God is [the] Saviour of all mankind, especially those who believe. Command this & teach this."

You will note:

1. God is not a potential Saviour: He IS Saviour.

2. He is Saviour "especially" of those who trust in Him.

3. He is not ONLY Saviour of those who trust in Him. He is Saviour of all mankind.

4. Monon= ONLY

5. Koine malista= "especially".

From Him, through Him, for Him
 
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JudgeRightly;5267136 said:
His love never ends, but He isn't a magician.

No, Love Omnipotent isn't a magician. He's far more powerful than that. He's a miracle worker!

These many solar systems & billions of stars don't look like the work of an impotent god or one who will lose a war of the wills with weak little human beings:
 
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No, Love Omnipotent isn't a magician. He's far more powerful than that. He's a miracle worker!

These many solar systems & billions of stars don't look like the work of an impotent god or one who will lose a war of the wills with weak little human beings:

Dear Clement: He is indeed a miracle worker with a capital M.W.!

Weak little wills of fallen wrecks of Adam1 have an awesome event to take place in every last one between little wills and the Will of all wills. Who will prevail? Hummm.

By the way brother, don't you just love the Author of the video? How much?

Exceedingly abundantly above
 
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Today as a new day broke across my horizon I heard a voice from the past speaking loud and clear>>>>

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

I see the Lamb: He has taken away the sin of the elite, he has taken away the sin of the elect, He has taken away the sin of the "especially"; He has taken away the sin of every last deplorable sinner of every stage of being lost!

Now you & I await the blessed event of every last being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, & the underworld singing in antiphonal worship>>>>>>

"You are Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Glory, glory, glory to His great Name!

The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free from bondage!
 
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Today as a new day broke across my horizon I heard a voice from the past speaking loud and clear>>>>

"Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world."

I see the Lamb: He has taken away the sin of the elite, he has taken away the sin of the elect, He has taken away the sin of the "especially"; He has taken away the sin of every last deplorable sinner of every stage of being lost!

Now you & I await the blessed event of every last being, in every dimension of the heavens, the earth, & the underworld singing in antiphonal worship>>>>>>

"You are Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Glory, glory, glory to His great Name!

The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free from bondage!
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Wishful thinking, indeed.
 
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[QUOTE="bbbbbbb, post: 73094474, member: 377663"

Wishful thinking, indeed.[/QUOTE]

The Apostle Paul did not consider the Restitution of all things "wishful thinking"!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has crowned us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ; even as, in His love, He chose us as His own in Christ before the creation of the world, that we might be holy and without blemish in His presence.

For He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One.

It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will."

And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.
 
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[QUOTE="bbbbbbb, post: 73094474, member: 377663"

Wishful thinking, indeed.

The Apostle Paul did not consider the Restitution of all things "wishful thinking"!

"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has crowned us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms in Christ; even as, in His love, He chose us as His own in Christ before the creation of the world, that we might be holy and without blemish in His presence.

For He pre-destined us to be adopted by Himself as sons through Jesus Christ--such being His gracious will and pleasure-- to the praise of the splendour of His grace with which He has enriched us in the beloved One.

It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will."

And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him.[/QUOTE]

Poor Paul. What was he thinking? He should have saved a lot of ink and bother, not to mention all of his imprisonments and tortures. He ought to have rested securely in the fact that everyone will be saved regardless of the gospel or any other means that God's infinite love. Then we would have been spared all of the troubles of Christianity, not to mention its offshoots such as Islam.
 
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"Poor Paul. What was he thinking? He should have saved a lot of ink and bother, not to mention all of his imprisonments and tortures. He ought to have rested securely in the fact that everyone will be saved regardless of the gospel or any other means that God's infinite love. Then we would have been spared all of the troubles of Christianity, not to mention its offshoots such as Islam."

Dear b's: I have a strange feeling he may have touched a Dimension beyond this wee world we have been pressed into by the sovereign Will of all wills. Yes friend, many troubles have emerged from Christianity & Islam (among others), but many lives have been touched by the One who draws us to Himself!

I know not what your experience in Him has been, but I assure you His Life can be yours today! The Spirit of the Lord is moving in this dark world, touching individuals in remarkable life changing ways. I will attempt to present a few of them on this page. In the meantime, may His Reach for all of us continue to His satisfaction & ultimately ours.

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!
 
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"Poor Paul. What was he thinking? He should have saved a lot of ink and bother, not to mention all of his imprisonments and tortures. He ought to have rested securely in the fact that everyone will be saved regardless of the gospel or any other means that God's infinite love. Then we would have been spared all of the troubles of Christianity, not to mention its offshoots such as Islam."

Dear b's: I have a strange feeling he may have touched a Dimension beyond this wee world we have been pressed into by the sovereign Will of all wills. Yes friend, many troubles have emerged from Christianity & Islam (among others), but many lives have been touched by the One who draws us to Himself!

I know not what your experience in Him has been, but I assure you His Life can be yours today! The Spirit of the Lord is moving in this dark world, touching individuals in remarkable life changing ways. I will attempt to present a few of them on this page. In the meantime, may His Reach for all of us continue to His satisfaction & ultimately ours.

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

Actually, most people would be much better off without the trials and tribulations in this life which are created by various religious beliefs. As Paul stated, if there is no resurrection, we are of all men most to be pitied.

If all are destined to enjoy eternal bliss in heaven far surpassing anything we can imagine, then it would be far better to end it all here and take up our heavenly abode here and now. In fact, aborted babies are really much better off than if they had ever been born, are they not?
 
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Actually, most people would be much better off without the trials and tribulations in this life which are created by various religious beliefs. As Paul stated, if there is no resurrection, we are of all men most to be pitied.

If all are destined to enjoy eternal bliss in heaven far surpassing anything we can imagine, then it would be far better to end it all here and take up our heavenly abode here and now. In fact, aborted babies are really much better off than if they had ever been born, are they not?

My friend: I cannot agree to this opinion. This world is indeed filled with despair and the road for many reaches dimensions few of us can imagine. I have a number of videos for us to spend a few moments viewing. I do trust you and whoever is viewing this page will find each of them of value.

Let's begin with a Muslim

 
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We also read in Scripture:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 1 Jn.4:18

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/unique_proof_for_universalism.html
Sadly you seem to just ignore all the scriptures I gave and try to use another scripture to create a contradiction in your doctrine.

Perfect love cast out the fear of death , the fear of the devil, the fear of man, But not the fear of God
 
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