The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[FineLinen]

Actually, most people would be much better off without the trials and tribulations in this life which are created by various religious beliefs. As Paul stated, if there is no resurrection, we are of all men most to be pitied.

If all are destined to enjoy eternal bliss in heaven far surpassing anything we can imagine, then it would be far better to end it all here and take up our heavenly abode here and now. In fact, aborted babies are really much better off than if they had ever been born, are they not?

 

[FineLinen]

Sadly you seem to just ignore all the scriptures I gave and try to use another scripture to create a contradiction in your doctrine.

Perfect love cast out the rear of death , the fear of the devil, the fear of man, But not the fear of God

My friend: I have never found ClementofA to ever ignore the Scriptures. The essence of our God is LOVE>>>FIRE>>>LIGHT>>>SPIRIT>>>SAVIOUR all flowing in absolute harmony! From His essence, all else cascades to the advancement of the Will of all wills.

Rest assured: Clement will respond to your post. Please be patient & stay tuned. I would attempt to answer some of your questions in the meantime, but waiting for Clement will be more than worth your patient waiting.

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

 

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My friend: I cannot agree to this opinion. This world is indeed filled with despair and the road for many reaches dimensions few of us can imagine. I have a number of videos for us to spend a few moments viewing. I do trust you and whoever is viewing this page will find each of them of value.

Let's begin with a Muslim

Thanks for making my point! The Muslim would be infinitely happier if he just died as a Muslim and went to heaven as you believe he will. He will not be happier being a Christian convert from Islam within an Islamic society. If you think his life is harder as a Muslim, then think again.

 

[bbbbbbb]

So, someone without limbs managed to find a measure of happiness in this life. Would he not have been much happier if he had been aborted and had gone directly to heaven as you believe he would have?

 

[FineLinen]

So, someone without limbs managed to find a measure of happiness in this life. Would he not have been much happier if he had been aborted and had gone directly to heaven as you believe he would have?

Dear b's: My friend, the road is part of the destination! I trust your road whatever it is, becomes the destination the Father of all fathers has destined for you!

You will find the joy of the Lord, flowing from the Lord Himself, is the foundation for this brother with an unbelievable road.

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

 

[FineLinen]

God our Father is no respecter of persons!

Please welcome a Jewess, Michelle A.

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...all-things-a-k-a-universalism.8070242/page-52

Our Father is speaking!

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...all-things-a-k-a-universalism.8070242/page-52

 

[ClementofA]

So, someone without limbs managed to find a measure of happiness in this life. Would he not have been much happier if he had been aborted and had gone directly to heaven as you believe he would have?

Where do you think the aborted go? To endless hell fires?

 

[ClementofA]

Thanks for making my point! The Muslim would be infinitely happier if he just died as a Muslim and went to heaven as you believe he will.

Who said a Muslim who dies goes to heaven? Did you forget about Hades & the LOF?

 

[ClementofA]

Sadly you seem to just ignore all the scriptures I gave and try to use another scripture to create a contradiction in your doctrine.

Perfect love cast out the rear of death , the fear of the devil, the fear of man, But not the fear of God

According to the context the fear being spoken of is the fear of God's judgement:

God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17In this, love has been perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment that, just as He is, also are we in this world.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment; and the one fearing has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

Please note also that perfect love is referred to in both verses 17 & 18.

If you are still fearing "hell", you have not been "perfected in love" (1 Jn.4:17-19).

V.19 We love because He first loved us. Not because of a make-believe children's bed time horror fantasy about being tortured in fire for eternity.

Are those who profess Christ merely out of fear, i.e. for "fire insurance", even saved?

Do they serve the Scriptural God Who is love, or a false god of fear? Such as Ra, Allah, & Molech, who are inventions of Satan?

The Biblical kind of fear of God that a Christian should have is not a tormenting, paralyzing, destructive fear, but a reverential awe & respect:

"Definition: (a) fear, terror, alarm, (b) the object or cause of fear, (c) reverence, respect." https://biblehub.com/greek/5401.htm

 

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Where do you think the aborted go? To endless hell fires?

Only God knows and He has not told me (or you, for that matter). If I were convinced that being aborted is an automatic "Go to Heaven and do not pass Jail" ticket, I would be doing everything in my power to save people from being born and growing into sinners who will end up in the Lake of Fire.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Who said a Muslim who dies goes to heaven? Did you forget about Hades & the LOF?

Universalists have always believed and taught the irresistible and eternal Love of God, such that all will be saved.

I am not a Universalist, BTW.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Dear b's: My friend, the road is part of the destination! I trust your road whatever it is, becomes the destination the Father of all fathers has destined for you!

You will find the joy of the Lord, flowing from the Lord Himself, is the foundation for this brother with an unbelievable road.

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

I must say that I am not enjoying this part of my journey and would much prefer being at my destination in heaven than here.

 

[LoveofTruth]

According to the context the fear being spoken of is the fear of God's judgement:

God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17In this, love has been perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment that, just as He is, also are we in this world.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment; and the one fearing has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

Please note also that perfect love is referred to in both verses 17 & 18.

If you are still fearing "hell", you have not been "perfected in love" (1 Jn.4:17-19).

V.19 We love because He first loved us. Not because of a make-believe children's bed time horror fantasy about being tortured in fire for eternity.

Are those who profess Christ merely out of fear, i.e. for "fire insurance", even saved?

Do they serve the Scriptural God Who is love, or a false god of fear? Such as Ra, Allah, & Molech, who are inventions of Satan?

The Biblical kind of fear of God that a Christian should have is not a tormenting, paralyzing, destructive fear, but a reverential awe & respect:

"Definition: (a) fear, terror, alarm, (b) the object or cause of fear, (c) reverence, respect." https://biblehub.com/greek/5401.htm

2 Corinthians 5 - 9. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”

Philippians 2 - 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

“Fear”

Greek-from a primary phebomai (to be put in fear); alarm or fright:--be afraid, + exceedingly, fear, terror.

And

“Trembling”

Greek-from 5141; a "trembling", i.e. quaking with fear:--+ tremble(-ing).

 

[FineLinen]

I must say that I am not enjoying this part of my journey and would much prefer being at my destination in heaven than here.

My friend: This may not ease the pain of your present journey, but rest assured>>>>

The journey begins & ends in God who is the Source, the Guide & the Goal of the all.

 

[FineLinen]

My friend: This may not ease the pain of your present journey, but rest assured>>>>

The journey begins & ends in God who is the Source, the Guide & the Goal of the all.

A Little Boy's Selfless Love

Many years ago, when I worked as a volunteer at a hospital, I got to know a lovely little girl named Liz who was suffering from a rare life threatening disease. Her only chance of recovery appeared to be a blood transfusion from her 5-year-old brother, who had somehow survived the same disease and had developed the antibodies needed to combat the illness. The doctor explained the situation to her little brother, and asked the little boy if he would be willing to give his blood to his sister. I saw him hesitate for only a moment before taking a deep breath and saying, "Yes, I'll do it if it will save her."

As the transfusion progressed, he lay in bed next to his sister and smiled, as we all did, seeing the color returning to her cheeks.

Then his face grew pale and his smile faded. He looked up at the doctor and asked with a trembling voice,

"Will I start to die right away?"

Being young, the little boy had misunderstood the doctor; he thought he was going to have to give his sister all of his blood in order to save her.

 

[ClementofA]

Sadly you seem to just ignore all the scriptures I gave and try to use another scripture to create a contradiction in your doctrine.

Perfect love cast out the rear of death , the fear of the devil, the fear of man, But not the fear of God

According to the context the fear being spoken of is the fear of God's judgement:

God is love, and the one abiding in love abides in God, and God abides in him. 17In this, love has been perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment that, just as He is, also are we in this world.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment; and the one fearing has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

Please note also that perfect love is referred to in both verses 17 & 18.

If you are still fearing "hell", you have not been "perfected in love" (1 Jn.4:17-19).

V.19 We love because He first loved us. Not because of a make-believe children's bed time horror fantasy about being tortured in fire for eternity.

Are those who profess Christ merely out of fear, i.e. for "fire insurance", even saved?

Do they serve the Scriptural God Who is love, or a false god of fear? Such as Ra, Allah, & Molech, who are inventions of Satan?

The Biblical kind of fear of God that a Christian should have is not a tormenting, paralyzing, destructive fear, but a reverential awe & respect:

"Definition: (a) fear, terror, alarm, (b) the object or cause of fear, (c) reverence, respect." https://biblehub.com/greek/5401.htm

2 Corinthians 5 - 9. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. 11. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.”

That's the poor KJV translation. Better for v.11 is:

2 Cor.5:11 We know what it means to respect the Lord, and we encourage everyone to turn to him. God himself knows what we are like, and I hope you also know what kind of people we are.

Reverence, respect:

"Definition: (a) fear, terror, alarm, (b) the object or cause of fear, (c) reverence, respect." https://biblehub.com/greek/5401.htm

Philippians 2 - 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

“Trembling”

Greek-from 5141; a "trembling", i.e. quaking with fear:--+ tremble(-ing).

Happy is the man that feareth alway: (Prov.28:14a)
Happy is the one who is always reverent (Prov.28:14a)

"with fear and trembling] not of tormenting misgiving (cp. 1 John 4:18), but of profound reverence and wakeful conscience. So 1 Corinthians 2:3; 2 Corinthians 7:15; Ephesians 6:5." https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/2-12.htm

"Not slavish terror, but wholesome, serious caution. "This fear is self-distrust; it is tenderness of conscience; it is vigilance against temptation; it is the fear which inspiration opposes to high-mindedness in the admonition 'be not highminded but fear.' It is taking heed lest we fall; it is a constant apprehension of the deceitfulness of the heart, and of the insidiousness and power of inward corruption. It is the caution and circumspection which timidly shrinks from whatever would offend and dishonor God and the Savior. And these the child of God will feel and exercise the more he rises above the enfeebling, disheartening, distressing influence of the fear which hath torment. Well might Solomon say of such fear, 'happy is the man that feareth alway'" (Wardlaw "On Proverbs," xxviii., 14)." https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/2-12.htm

"With fear and trembling; i.e. with a holy care to do all acceptably: he doth by these two words mean not any servile fear and slavish despondency, arising from doubting, Philippians 4:4, but only a serious, filial fear, implying a deep humility and submissiveness of mind, with a reverential awe of the Divine Majesty, and a solicitude to avoid that evil which is offensive to him and separates from him. We find these words used to the like import, Psalm 2:11 Daniel 5:19Daniel 6:26 Romans 11:20 with 1 Corinthians 2:3 2 Corinthians 7:5Ephesians 6:5;..." https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/2-12.htm

"‘Fear and trembling.’ ‘But,’ you may say, ‘perfect love casts out fear.’ So it does. The fear which has torment it casts out. But there is another fear in which there is no torment, brethren; a fear and trembling which is but another shape of confidence and calm hope! Scripture does tell us that the believing man’s salvation is certain. Scripture tells us it is certain since he believes. And your faith can be worth nothing unless it have, bedded deep in it, that trembling distrust of your own power which is the pre-requisite and the companion of all thankful and faithful reception of God’s infinite mercy. Your horizon ought to be full of fear, if your gaze be limited to yourself; but oh! above our earthly horizon with its fogs, God’s infinite blue stretches untroubled by the mist and cloud which are earth-born. I, as working, have need to tremble and to fear, but I, as wrought upon, have a right to confidence and hope, a hope that is full of immortality, and an assurance which is the pledge of its own fulfilment. The worker is nothing, the Worker in him is all."https://biblehub.com/commentaries/philippians/2-12.htm

"LSJ Gloss:
τρόμος
a trembling, quaking, quivering"
https://studybible.info/strongs/G5156

 

[FineLinen]

Universalists have always believed and taught the irresistible and eternal Love of God, such that all will be saved.

I am not a Universalist, BTW.

 

[FineLinen]

Jesus Christ saves to the uttermost!

https://www.biblestudytools.com/hebrews/7-25-compare.html

Uttermost=

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/uttermost

Extreme=

Existing in a very high degree.

Going to great or exaggerated lengths.

Exceeding the ordinary, usual, or expected.

Situated at the farthest possible point from a center.

Most advanced or thoroughgoing.

Meet Nick

Never limit the One who does exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think!

 

[FineLinen]

Do you know God loves you?

He loves you exceedingly abundantly above all you can ask or think!

 

[he-man]

The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism the Christian doctrine of apokatastasis is based on the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ, and on God’s being the supreme Good. It is also founded upon God’s grace, which will “bestow mercy upon all,” and the divine will—which these Patristic authors saw as revealed by Scripture—“that all humans be saved and reach the knowledge of Truth.” Ramelli, Ilaria. The Christian Doctrine of Apokatastasis: (universal restitution) A Critical Assessment from the New Testament to Eriugena. Leiden: Brill, 2013. p.11
Universalism heretical wasn’t declared heretical until the sixth century, first by Justinian
the pre-existence of souls Ludlow, Morwenna. “Universalism in the History of Christianity.” In Universal Salvation?: The Current Debate. p. 195; Athanasian Creed, in 500 CE, where the phrase “they that have done evil, into everlasting fire” is introduced in creedal form
1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: Hanson, J.W. Universalism: The Prevailing Doctrine of the Christian Church During Its First Five Hundred Years. Boston and Chicago: Universalist, 1899., 133; 273; aeternus in the Latin, and aionios in the original Greek, mean interminable duration
Barclay, New Testament Words, Louisville: Westminster John Knox, 1964. p. 37

“Your calling” (τὴν κλῆσιν tēn klēsin) means “those who are called” Not many mighty - Not many people of power; or men sustaining important “offices” in the state. Comp, Rev_6:15. The word may refer to those who wield power of any kind, whether derived from office, from rank, from wealth, etc. Not many noble - Not many of illustrious birth, or descended from illustrious families - εὐγενεῖς eugeneis, “well-born.”
In respect to each of these classes, the apostle does not say that there were no men of wealth, and power, and birth, but that the mass or body of Christians was not composed of such.
The reasons why those of rank and wealth do not become Christians, are many and obvious:
(a) They are beset with special temptations.
(b) They are usually satisfied with rank, and wealth, and do not feel their need of a hope of heaven.
(c) They are surrounded with objects which flatter their vanity, which minister to their pride, and which throw them into the circle of alluring and tempting pleasures.
(d) They are drawn away from the means of grace and the places of prayer, by fashion, by business, by temptation.
(e) There is something about the pride of learning and philosophy, which usually makes those who possess it unwilling to sit at the feet of Christ; to acknowledge their dependence on any power; and to confess that they are poor, and needy, and blind, and naked before God.

The unrighteous - The unjust ἄδικοι adikoi - such as he had just mentioned - they who did injustice to others, and attempted to do it under the sanction of the courts.
Shall not inherit - Shall not possess; shall not enter into. The kingdom of heaven is often represented as an “inheritance;”

Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.