The Restitution Of All Things A.K.A. Universalism

[Ron Gurley]

All true Christ-followers should flee this twisted, heretical, and Non-Scriptural OP.

 

[needhugs]

oh for the love of pete... just go away then... do we come on your threads and tell YOU how twisted YOU ARE??

 

[Hillsage]

it's ok, man... you clarified what we were talking about... and my head is hurting haha
we don't have to go on any further...
i'll just say that Jesus is God and I know that because i said the sinner's prayer back in 2001 totally afraid coz i 'knew' it was no good to worship a man, but it was only a few days later that God grabbed hold of me with a full body electric buzz and said 'JESUS IS GOD!!!!' and i slumped down but my mind went right back to not believing it again, so i got ANOTHER full body buzz of JESUS IS GOD!!! and He may have even had to do it a third time, to install the knowledge... but i finally slumped down on the couch and whimpered 'ok... ok' breathing heavy and shocked that I now believed it lol so it's never a discussion for me whether Jesus is God now, and sure He emptied Himself of it to become man while He was here, but so what? He's still God, and full back up again
anyway, thanks for answering me!

I have no problem with the trinitarian points you just made. Yes, Jesus is God. But scripture also says "God IS spirit". I believe that means always was, always is, always will be. But, "In the beginning was the Word"....not Jesus.

And in the beginning the Father was spirit, the Word was spirit and the Holy Spirit was spirit...God IS spirit. But the Word "did not consider equality with God as a thing to be grasped" by humans. So the Word gave up the equality of being eternal spirit and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". The eternal spirit became mortal flesh capable of dying ....and The Word did not come as 'perfected flesh'. "The Father sent His son in the likeness of sinful flesh" born from a sinful woman and having a sin nature (no offense intended to my Catholic friends). A 'nature' which the man Jesus never gave in to. He never sinned.

The only thing Jesus had over US at His birth was 'the spirit' which the Father and the Holy Spirit gave to "the Word became flesh". And 'that spirit' was the 'Christ spirit'. And it was 'that spirit' which Jesus surrendered at the cross. And 'that' is the same spirit which is birth into everyone of us who is "born again". And it is when we are 'born again' that we are a "brethren" to our Lord Jesus who "was made like unto His brethren in every respect."

That's my "yes I believe in the trinity" POV. Upon His resurrection, the body of Jesus was no longer a body of sinful flesh. It became a 'spirit' body, capable of walking through walls. Today he sits beside the Father on a throne He shares as one being fully man and fully God.

I hope this gives you a bit more 'hope' for me and the 'litmus' of orthodoxy, as well as the right to be here on this forum.

 

[needhugs]

I have no problem with the trinitarian points you just made. Yes, Jesus is God. But scripture also says "God IS spirit". I believe that means always was, always is, always will be. But, "In the beginning was the Word"....not Jesus.

And in the beginning the Father was spirit, the Word was spirit and the Holy Spirit was spirit...God IS spirit. But the Word "did not consider equality with God as a thing to be grasped" by humans. So the Word gave up the equality of being eternal spirit and "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". The eternal spirit became mortal flesh capable of dying ....and The Word did not come as 'perfected flesh'. "The Father sent His son in the likeness of sinful flesh" born from a sinful woman and having a sin nature (no offense intended to my Catholic friends). A 'nature' which the man Jesus never gave in to. He never sinned.

The only thing Jesus had over US at His birth was 'the spirit' which the Father and the Holy Spirit gave to "the Word became flesh". And 'that spirit' was the 'Christ spirit'. And it was 'that spirit' which Jesus surrendered at the cross. And 'that' is the same spirit which is birth into everyone of us who is "born again". And it is when we are 'born again' that we are a "brethren" to our Lord Jesus who "was made like unto His brethren in every respect."

That's my "yes I believe in the trinity" POV. Upon His resurrection, the body of Jesus was no longer a body of sinful flesh. It became a 'spirit' body, capable of walking through walls. Today he sits beside the Father on a throne He shares as one being fully man and fully God.

I hope this gives you a bit more 'hope' for me and the 'litmus' of orthodoxy, as well as the right to be here on this forum.

haha... you are fine, that's trinitarian... With God all things are possible, including emptying Himself, and taking Himself back up again after...

He prayed, while still on earth for the Father to restore His glory to Him, remember? i can't think of enuff of the scripture to look it up

and the Father said He will give Him even more glory...

something like that....

but paul said 'you walk not according to the flesh, if indeed you have the Spirit of Christ in you...'

so obviously He is back to being God fully omni-everything.

so yeah, you make perfect sense, and i wasn't nervous at all lol just kidding, i was totally nervous! what with how URers are so stinkin' WEIRD about the trinity! lolol

 

[FineLinen]

All true Christ-followers should flee this twisted, heretical, and Non-Scriptural OP.

Dear Ron: This is the deal. I have been a follower of the Lamb longer than you have been born. When you can come on this link and show us what is twisted, heretical and non- Scriptural we will engage you, Where shall we start?

 

[Hillsage]

haha... you are fine, that's trinitarian... With God all things are possible, including emptying Himself, and taking Himself back up again after...

He prayed, while still on earth for the Father to restore His glory to Him, remember? i can't think of enuff of the scripture to look it up

I don't have to look it up, but yes I considered that verse in coming to the 'revelation' IMO that I received from the Spirit of truth as I was led IMO to coming to the understanding I now have.

and the Father said He will give Him even more glory...

something like that....

Yes, even more fleshly glory than Jesus had as mortal flesh. But the same earthly glory Moses manifested when he was "transfigured".... even as Jesus was "transfigured" on the mountain with the three apostles.

but paul said 'you walk not according to the flesh, if indeed you have the Spirit of Christ in you...'

The 'key word' being WALK. And unfortunately Spirit should have never been capitalized in that verse because we're talking about 'the spirit of Christ in you the hope of glory'. And the spirit of Christ is not The Holy Spirit, but it most certainly is 'A holy spirit'. It is the same spirit Jesus surrendered to the Father on the cross. But in that verse translators correctly used the lower case. 'Oh consistency, thou art a jewel to be sought for.'

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.

Not the 'the Holy Spirit', not the 'God Spirit'. But the 'spirit of Christ' which dwelt in the triune man JESUS! And that was a holy spirit just like we; "he who is joined unto the Lord is ONE spirit."

so obviously He is back to being God fully omni-everything.

Absolutely.

so yeah, you make perfect sense, and i wasn't nervous at all lol just kidding, i was totally nervous! what with how URers are so stinkin' WEIRD about the trinity! lolol

Thank God, the peace that passes all understanding of the carnal mind has dealt with your 'nervousness'. Oh, BTW "stinking WEIRD" I, as a tongue talking Charismatic, expect to be called...but only by 'the nominally spiritual.

One caveat; all the above is just my opinion...right or wrong. God knows.

OK, 'bunny trail run' is over, back to UR or Universalism and the point of the thread.[/quote][/quote]

 

[Hillsage]

Dear Ron: This is the deal. I have been a follower of the Lamb longer than you have been born. When you can come on this link and show us what is twisted, heretical and non- Scriptural we will engage you, Where shall we start?

I am curious as to your testimony brother. When did you come to fully accept UR, or Universalism (and FYI from now on I'm just going to type UR. 10 less keystrokes )? I know it took me 10 years of seeking 'the truth' of this doctrine? A doctrine which I only 'hoped' was true, during those years of seeking and knocking. How did you 'first hear' and how long to accept totally?

 

[needhugs]

I don't have to look it up, but yes I considered that verse in coming to the 'revelation' IMO that I received from the Spirit of truth as I was led IMO to coming to the understanding I now have.


Yes, even more fleshly glory than Jesus had as mortal flesh. But the same earthly glory Moses manifested when he was "transfigured".... even as Jesus was "transfigured" on the mountain with the three apostles.


The 'key word' being WALK. And unfortunately Spirit should have never been capitalized in that verse because we're talking about 'the spirit of Christ in you the hope of glory'. And the spirit of Christ is not The Holy Spirit, but it most certainly is 'A holy spirit'. It is the same spirit Jesus surrendered to the Father on the cross. But in that verse translators correctly used the lower case. 'Oh consistency, thou art a jewel to be sought for.'

LUK 23:46 Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And having said this he breathed his last.

Not the 'the Holy Spirit', not the 'God Spirit'. But the 'spirit of Christ' which dwelt in the triune man JESUS! And that was a holy spirit just like we; "he who is joined unto the Lord is ONE spirit."


Absolutely.


Thank God, the peace that passes all understanding of the carnal mind has dealt with your 'nervousness'. Oh, BTW "stinking WEIRD" I, as a tongue talking Charismatic, expect to be called...but only by 'the nominally spiritual.

One caveat; all the above is just my opinion...right or wrong. God knows.

OK, 'bunny trail run' is over, back to UR or Universalism and the point of the thread.

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i'm just going to say thank you, and we agree that JESUS IS GOD lol as i was so told... but that scripture about Jesus praying for His glory ... it was the glory He had before the foundations of the world, if i'm remembering the verse correctly...

anyway, i agree, back to UR talk lol but thanks for the discourse on being weird lol i mean 'peculiar'

 

[needhugs]

I am curious as to your testimony brother. When did you come to fully accept UR, or Universalism (and FYI from now on I'm just going to type UR. 10 less keystrokes )? I know it took me 10 years of seeking 'the truth' of this doctrine? A doctrine which I only 'hoped' was true, during those years of seeking and knocking. How did you 'first hear' and how long to accept totally?

oh oh!! I want to answer this too... don't worry, i will make it short... ish.

I had a baaaaad case of Scrupulosity, which is Religious OCD, causing much discomfort and terror... so i was searching for forums on the subject... most of them were run by catholic priests who only made matters WORSE... but finally i ran into a forum, and the most recent post was by a guy talking about something i had never HEARD OF.... Christian Universalism.

He had a ton of links to go and read, and i devoured it all, (then spent the next decade trying to convince myself that it was true lol...) i went back to the forum to thank him, then i noticed the date on the post and it was from about 3 years before!!! and he had CLEARED OUT the forum of all sufferers!!! it was amazing!

but over the 10 years, i was still holding on the the possibility that God would burn people for eternity, JUST IN CASE... maybe you know what i mean?

finally, i got a revelation, an angel perhaps? moved into my forehead with much PITY on me for believing that hellish thing for so long and suffering so badly under it, and that OF COURSE God doesn't do that... but i sorta yelled over top of the revelation 'HELL DOESN'T EXIST!!!!' coz i was afraid that the revelation would be 'you'll be fine, don't worry, but He's going to burn most everyone else' lol but it was too late, the revelation had already gotten thru.

this was a couple of months ago, and i started watching tentmaker videos again, and reading about it all... and finally i just got ANGRY at all the suffering ET caused me and others, and i just decided to take the leap... and i THREW myself to my knees and repeated the sinner's prayer 'TO THE REAL JESUS, the One Who DOESN'T burn people for eternity!!'

I still felt that it was a bit of a risk to say that prayer, but my faith in UR has been growing ever since, God is just showing me His truth, and making me to lie down in green pastures... Everything has just begun to 'make sense' and i KNOW that God is good now, even better than I believe at THIS time, I know I will find out something even greater, I feel so at peace.

God gave me a line from a song, after i said the sinner's prayer again... 'A new Wind is blowing thru these streets' and i looked up the song, and this is it:

 

[Hillsage]

All true Christ-followers should flee this twisted, heretical, and Non-Scriptural OP.

I started a 'ditto' post like FL. But searched your 'profile' and found that I could not, you've aged better than I....but 'only unless' that hair is not dyed. But I do hope you can at least accept me as a 'brother in arms' (having seen in your Profile that we both served in Viet Nam in 1970). Even though we probably would disagree with plenty in 'that regard' also. I now kind of suspect you might have even been an 'officer' then, I was not. But there always seemed to be little bit of 'holier than thou' judgmental attitude there too, based upon my experience with officers....especially so with 'newbie' officers. It was they who 'thought' they were 'sharper' than lowly ole Spec 5 me...a rank achieved after being 'in this man's Army' just over a year. I hope that doesn't make me sound like I'm thinking more highly of myself than I ought. I just don't appreciate being judged more 'twisted, heretical, and Non-Scriptural' than I am either.

 

[FineLinen]

I am curious as to your testimony brother. When did you come to fully accept UR, or Universalism (and FYI from now on I'm just going to type UR. 10 less keystrokes )? I know it took me 10 years of seeking 'the truth' of this doctrine? A doctrine which I only 'hoped' was true, during those years of seeking and knocking. How did you 'first hear' and how long to accept totally?

My brother: Many moons ago I walked with giants of faith in a fellowship that received hundreds of spiritual songs. A number pointed to a day when all creation was coming Home. Never once was the restitution of all things preached (although later I discovered there were those who did not feel free to do so). But we sang of the glory of a new glorious Day. The years went by when a young lad I had given the books of George Hawtin (the blue books) asked if I had considered the restitution of all things? I knew in that moment I did not need to consider it, it was part of what I was.

I worked building satellite earth stations around the world. My dear friend, and owner of the company had a precious mother who was a devout Baptist. She believed that hell was an eternal, non ending experience for the masses who have never had the intervention of being born again. My dear friend was absolutely pounding on her as I sat over in the corner praying for her in my heart.

The following day, I was alone in the CNN antenna site involved in a filthy job that required zero thought to accomplish. As I thought of the previous night, the Presence began to move upon me, I thought I am going to die. In that awesome moment I heard 6 words I had never ever remotely considered or heard relating to The Lake Of Fire. I trembled, unable to eat for days, as the glory continued on and on and on. 15 years went by and the man of God George MacDonald's unspoken sermons (The Consuming Fire) came into my hands. And there it was, written 100 years prior to my little experience. If you go to the final page of "the consuming fire" you will behold what the Living One disclosed to my broken life that wonderful day.

This is no feel good experience of a belief system, but a revelation that must come through the unction of the Glorious One! When I read of the path you have come by His grace, and others indeed, I am filled with the awe of our God who draws us to Himself! I am so grateful you are here on this link!

 

[Hillsage]

My brother: Many moons ago I walked with giants of faith in a fellowship that received hundreds of spiritual songs. A number pointed to a day when all creation was coming Home. Never once was the restitution of all things preached (although later I discovered there were those who did not feel free to do so). But we sang of the glory of a new glorious Day. The years went by when a young lad I had given the books of George Hawtin (the blue books) asked if I had considered the restitution of all things? I knew in that moment I did not need to consider it, it was part of what I was.

I worked building satellite earth stations around the world. My dear friend, and owner of the company had a precious mother who was a devout Baptist. She believed that hell was an eternal, non ending experience for the masses who have never had the intervention of being born again. My dear friend was absolutely pounding on her as I sat over in the corner praying for her in my heart.

The following day, I was alone in the CNN antenna site involved in a filthy job that required zero thought to accomplish. As I thought of the previous night, the Presence began to move upon me, I thought I am going to die. In that awesome moment I heard 6 words I had never ever remotely considered or heard relating to The Lake Of Fire. I trembled, unable to eat for days, as the glory continued on and on and on. 15 years went by and the man of God George MacDonald's unspoken sermons (The Consuming Fire) came into my hands. And there it was, written 100 years prior to my little experience. If you go to the final page of "the consuming fire" you will behold what the Living One disclosed to my broken life that wonderful day.

This is no feel good experience of a belief system, but a revelation that must come through the unction of the Glorious One! When I read of the path you have come by His grace, and others indeed, I am filled with the awe of our God who draws us to Himself! I am so grateful you are here on this link!

Beautiful testimony. I've never read any of George Hawtin, other than those many quotes of his, from Preston. George McDonald I read a little of way back when, but mostly I heard of him from another brother who was reading his works. Back then our home church consisted of 'most' of those, who had left our home in western Kansas to trek across the state for a retreat in Arkansas. It was there that we first heard 'one' of the multiple speakers that weekend share 'the real gospel'. I believe I had 'the revelation' of the truth at that moment, in my heart of hearts. But being a 'thinker' I believe I honestly spent my 10 years of researching to convince myself as to how it was possible that 'the church' could have been so deceived. Of course, I did find support for the fact that in those first few centuries, most were not deceived and did believe, as we have come to believe.

Thank you for your post, and the reminder that it still is going to require 'revelation from the Spirit of truth' to those still unable to see/hear. It is truly difficult to loosen one's grip on indoctrination, in order to even hear 'that still small voice' speaking through the 'winds of doctrines' that continue to blow today.

EPH 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

EDIT
P.S. define "spiritual songs" from your perspective. I know what that means from mine.

 

[FineLinen]

Beautiful testimony. I've never read any of George Hawtin, other than those many quotes of his, from Preston. George McDonald I read a little of way back when, but mostly I heard of him from another brother who was reading his works. Back then our home church consisted of 'most' of those, who had left our home in western Kansas to trek across the state for a retreat in Arkansas. It was there that we first heard 'one' of the multiple speakers that weekend share 'the real gospel'. I believe I had 'the revelation' of the truth at that moment, in my heart of hearts. But being a 'thinker' I believe I honestly spent my 10 years of researching to convince myself as to how it was possible that 'the church' could have been so deceived. Of course, I did find support for the fact that in those first few centuries, most were not deceived and did believe, as we have come to believe.

Thank you for your post, and the reminder that it still is going to require 'revelation from the Spirit of truth' to those still unable to see/hear. It is truly difficult to loosen one's grip on indoctrination, in order to even hear 'that still small voice' speaking through the 'winds of doctrines' that continue to blow today.

EPH 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

EDIT
P.S. define "spiritual songs" from your perspective. I know what that means from mine.

 

[FineLinen]

My brother: My old being is exhausted at the moment. Tomorrow if any of my toes are still in this world I will attempt to address your post. Until then may Abba continue to expand all of us into Himself!

The Outcasts Comforted

The Outcasts Comforted by Elhanen Winchester

 

[Hillsage]

My brother: My old being is exhausted at the moment. Tomorrow if any of my toes are still in this world I will attempt to address your post. Until then may Abba continue to expand all of us into Himself!

The Outcasts Comforted

The Outcasts Comforted by Elhanen Winchester

Take rest my friend, and know why I typically do not try to follow more than one thread. Especially when it's moving as fast as this one. In the lull here, and after getting home from the office, I went out and checked the forum. I found that I've missed a thread I'd truly like to have been in. It started three days ago and already has 15 pages of theological ET/Eternal Torment shuck and jive. Actually that's not true. It's just philosophical non scriptural shuck and jive to avoid answering the theological question you asked me to post. I just went and quickly checked a few more pages, and it doesn't look like you've been there either, or Clement, or Needshugs. Poor Inkfinger fighting alone, as far as I read, which is only the first page.

 

[LoveofTruth]

You must be kidding! Are you actually declaring the reason we follow God is out of fear? You, my friend, need to get rid of your present god fast!

All believers love God and thankful for his mercy and salvation in Jesus Christ. But, we still read in scripture

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Proverbs 2:5
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God."

Psalm 89:7

God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him."

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:..."

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;"

1 Peter 2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king."

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

 

[ClementofA]

All believers love God and thankful for his mercy and salvation in Jesus Christ. But, we still read in scripture

Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

Proverbs 2:5
Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God."

Psalm 89:7

God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him."

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom:..."

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God."

Ephesians 5:21
Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God."

Colossians 3:22
Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;"

1 Peter 2:17
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king."

Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."

Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

We also read in Scripture:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. 1 Jn.4:18

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/unique_proof_for_universalism.html

 

[Noxot]

is it God who destroys soul and body in hell? sounds more like the work of the devil.

Matt 10:28-33 (ESV2011)
And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows. So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.


here is a similar verse

Eph 6:12-13 (ESV2011)
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.


on the other hand here I see the Lord clearly in this verse and he also contrast the Lord who is Wisdom and Love with the one who destroys.

John 10:10-11 (ESV2011)
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

if you want me to get complex on explaining the rest of the first biblical quote... God speaks in judgments and commandments in such a way that expresses modes/states of being.

 

[FineLinen]

Beautiful testimony. I've never read any of George Hawtin, other than those many quotes of his, from Preston. George McDonald I read a little of way back when, but mostly I heard of him from another brother who was reading his works. Back then our home church consisted of 'most' of those, who had left our home in western Kansas to trek across the state for a retreat in Arkansas. It was there that we first heard 'one' of the multiple speakers that weekend share 'the real gospel'. I believe I had 'the revelation' of the truth at that moment, in my heart of hearts. But being a 'thinker' I believe I honestly spent my 10 years of researching to convince myself as to how it was possible that 'the church' could have been so deceived. Of course, I did find support for the fact that in those first few centuries, most were not deceived and did believe, as we have come to believe.

Thank you for your post, and the reminder that it still is going to require 'revelation from the Spirit of truth' to those still unable to see/hear. It is truly difficult to loosen one's grip on indoctrination, in order to even hear 'that still small voice' speaking through the 'winds of doctrines' that continue to blow today.

EPH 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

EDIT
P.S. define "spiritual songs" from your perspective. I know what that means from mine.

 

[FineLinen]

My brother: Thank you for your patience. This has been another wonderful day, but the ravages of the groan of the ages is overwhelming to say the least. Here we are on page 25 and a link which articulates the purposes of our Father in His beloved Christ Jesus. The addition of others of calibre makes me tremble. Our God is speaking and there are ears who are hearing, and eyes who are seeing. May He bless every one of them.

Your edit

https://www.biblestudytools.com/ephesians/5-19-compare.html