The question cessationists must answer.

[YeshuaFan]

That might be true in your mythology, but not in real living for Christ.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we constantly warned about demons?
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why did Paul have a messenger of Satan attack him.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we told to put on the whole armour of God.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we told they only flee when we resist them?

Demons can oppose us, as when we are striving to fulfill the will of God in a certain area, God can permit them to come against us, but when they do and seek to divert us away from the Lord, we put on his full armor, stay firm, and just trust that God has my back, and there is Nothing satan nor any demon can do to me that God is not allowing to happen!

 

[Francis Drake]

do you guys you ever need to go to church

Most churches centre around one man, men, or other entertainment at the front, with most members sitting passively in rows until told to sing, and in my book, that does not do what scripture calls for.

Heb10v24And let us consider how to spur one another on to love and good deeds.
There is no spurring of one another in most churches, the members being mostly passive.

25Let us not neglect meeting together, as some have made a habit,
There's lots of meeting before the pastor, but little meeting together.

but let us encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Again there is no one another, just from the man in front who commands the whole show whilst the congregation remain passive.

Also we are part of a body, and Paul said to not stop attending the services. ???

I attend services to get my car fixed. I don't go to church to get serviced, and in fact Paul never mentioned services.

Neither Jesus nor Paul intended churches to operate like they do. We are members of the one body of Christ and are all called to minister by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, just as Paul describes here.-
1Cor14v26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.

I am not interested in one man pretending to be the fountain of all knowledge. I want to hear what the Holy Spirit is speaking, fresh every time.

 

[Thess]

They were actually believers. Jesus calls them his sheep sent to the lost sheep. And that they were of his own household in Matthew 10. He even says that the Spirit of the Father would speak in them when needed in Matthew 10.

Here are some verses to consider about this.

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples,..."(Matthew 10:1) Notice that they were "His", not the devils.

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, ...6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:"(Matthew 10:5,6,16 KJV)

So they were all found sheep sent to the lost sheep. Jesus would not send a lost sheep to help a lost sheep. y calling them sheep this shows they were saved

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life;..."(John 10:27 KJV)


To see that they all belonged to the Father even before they met Jesus read John 17:6

"I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."(John 17:6 KJV)

But again this connects to the great mystery and is a different discussion. How the OT saints were saved and how God reaches even the unevangelized is a long deeper talk. Which scripture has much to say.

Well, here is what the bible has to say about [everyone's] disbelief.

[Mar 16:11, 14 NLT] 11 But when she told them that Jesus was alive and she had seen him, [they didn't believe her]. ... 14 Still later he appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating together. [He rebuked them for their stubborn unbelief] because [they refused to believe those who had seen him] after he had been raised from the dead.

I will side with what the bible is clearly stating, particularly when we read of how often the disciples hearts were hardened by God intentionally. There was no way God was going to let the disciples have "full" belief. If God had allowed such, they would have been murdered along side Jesus and that would have been the end of "The Way."

 

[Francis Drake]

Demons can oppose us, as when we are striving to fulfill the will of God in a certain area, God can permit them to come against us, but when they do and seek to divert us away from the Lord, we put on his full armor, stay firm, and just trust that God has my back, and there is Nothing satan nor any demon can do to me that God is not allowing to happen!

So you were wrong when you said all demons had to flee the moment we are saved.

 

[NBB]

Most churches centre around one man, men, or other entertainment at the front, with most members sitting passively in rows until told to sing, and in my book, that does not do what scripture calls for.

Heb10v24And let us consider how to spur one another on to love and good deeds.
There is no spurring of one another in most churches, the members being mostly passive.

25Let us not neglect meeting together, as some have made a habit,
There's lots of meeting before the pastor, but little meeting together.

but let us encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Again there is no one another, just from the man in front who commands the whole show whilst the congregation remain passive.


I attend services to get my car fixed. I don't go to church to get serviced, and in fact Paul never mentioned services.

Neither Jesus nor Paul intended churches to operate like they do. We are members of the one body of Christ and are all called to minister by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, just as Paul describes here.-
1Cor14v26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.

I am not interested in one man pretending to be the fountain of all knowledge. I want to hear what the Holy Spirit is speaking, fresh every time.

Well, service is the word i use in english because in spanish i use another...

But what about, he sends blessings and eternal life..? are all churches so fallen from grace that not even Jesus is there 'sending blessings and eternal life'? And when we reunite 2 or 3 togheter Jesus is there, that is important.

Actually 'my pastor' treated me badly, but you know i don't go to the church as a social event, or event to like the pastor much or listen all he has to say, but to meet with God.

 

[NBB]

Most churches centre around one man, men, or other entertainment at the front, with most members sitting passively in rows until told to sing, and in my book, that does not do what scripture calls for.

Heb10v24And let us consider how to spur one another on to love and good deeds.
There is no spurring of one another in most churches, the members being mostly passive.

25Let us not neglect meeting together, as some have made a habit,
There's lots of meeting before the pastor, but little meeting together.

but let us encourage one another, and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
Again there is no one another, just from the man in front who commands the whole show whilst the congregation remain passive.


I attend services to get my car fixed. I don't go to church to get serviced, and in fact Paul never mentioned services.

Neither Jesus nor Paul intended churches to operate like they do. We are members of the one body of Christ and are all called to minister by the gifts of the Holy Spirit, just as Paul describes here.-
1Cor14v26What then shall we say, brothers? When you come together, everyone has a psalm or a teaching, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. All of these must be done to build up the church.

I am not interested in one man pretending to be the fountain of all knowledge. I want to hear what the Holy Spirit is speaking, fresh every time.

And i have a good reason to go to church to meet God , i received the Holy spirit there, i met God the first time there, the presence of God, so it is not worthless at all at least for me, and defective as people in the church may be, i'm not trying to correct you or anything, but we need our brothers. I have autism so i don't get even to salute people in the church, or talk much, but there is some things that happen spiritually when we get in a reunion with the brothers, things happen.

 

[Deborah D]

Disputed passage, probably not originally in the Gospel of Mark, and the Great Commission is in Matthew's Gospel!

Only certain versions say it is disputed. As I said earlier, KJV, HCSB and AMPC don't.

 

[Deborah D]

And i have a good reason to go to church to meet God , i received the Holy spirit there, i met God the first time there, the presence of God, so it is not worthless at all at least for me, and defective as people in the church may be, i'm not trying to correct you or anything, but we need our brothers. I have autism so i don't get even to salute people in the church, or talk much, but there is some things that happen spiritually when we get in a reunion with the brothers, things happen.

Your churches in Uruguay may be very different than American churches. Here, the Holy Spirit is not free to move in many of our churches. Just read what some of the people on this thread are saying about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

If God leads you to go to your church, you certainly need to go and don't stop until He leads you to. I'm glad to hear that He is blessing you at your church!
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[NBB]

Your churches in Uruguay may be very different than American churches. Here, the Holy Spirit is not free to move in many of our churches. Just read what some of the people on this thread are saying about the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

If God leads you to go to your church, you certainly need to go and don't stop until He leads you to. I'm glad to hear that He is blessing you at your church!
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There is seems to be zero gift involvement activity in my church, except when a visit comes, and the pastor has his character, but i received the Holy spirit there! not in my house, other people maybe received him in their house and that is ok like my mother when she had no church to go, i usually find that i feel the presence of God in church, and i entered the Holy place there!, so with all defects, a strong character pastor that makes a lot of mistakes still i go to find more of God, i don't even interact much with people.
Like i said i have some time i don't go now, but i plan to do so if God helps me a bit.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Well, here is what the bible has to say about [everyone's] disbelief.

[Mar 16:11, 14 NLT] 11 But when she told them that Jesus was alive and she had seen him, [they didn't believe her]. ... 14 Still later he appeared to the eleven disciples as they were eating together. [He rebuked them for their stubborn unbelief] because [they refused to believe those who had seen him] after he had been raised from the dead.

I will side with what the bible is clearly stating, particularly when we read of how often the disciples hearts were hardened by God intentionally. There was no way God was going to let the disciples have "full" belief. If God had allowed such, they would have been murdered along side Jesus and that would have been the end of "The Way."

even believers need to be rebuked at times.

But there is very clear scripture showing that they were his sheep and had eternal life (Jesus Christ ) in them. Read John 15 also.

That story you quoted about their disbelief did not say that they didn't have belief before that.

When Jesus asked Peter who do men say that he was, Peter said he was the Christ the Son of God and Jesus blessed him and said flesh and blood had not revealed it unto Him but the Father in heaven.

We read that is a person confesses Jesus as the Christ the Son of God that God dwells in him and he is born again . This manifest the birth for out of the heart the mouth speaks. The seed had taken root in peter and manifested. more fully by his confession.

This is also clear in scripture. Here are the verses among many top consider,

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."(1 John 4:15 KJV)

and

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."(1 John 5:1 KJV)



and so we read

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

and

"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."(Matthew 16:126,17 KJV)

and

"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve..."(John 6:69,70 KJV)

 

[W2L]

No man can make himself into any gift or calling.

Dont false teachers do that?

 

[W2L]

Winder what they told her If you just had more faith?

I dunno but thats an excuse i've heard. Such a statement would damage someones faith more than build it up. The worst part about it is that false teachers gat praised while their victims are left without an ounce of edification from their brethren. This however is a blessing because God gives us His strength and peace. Gods strength is made perfect in our weaknesses.

 

[W2L]

LOL, do you know the little girl??? How do you know she hasn't gotten healed to this day? More misinformation from you?

You obviously didnt watch the whole video.

 

[Deborah D]

You obviously didnt watch the whole video.

Actually, the video wouldn't play. You said that the little girl NEVER got healed! She may have gotten healed later on her way out to the car, or did she die in the video?

Edit: Do you know why I don't watch videos like the ones you're posting??? I used to go to websites run by so-called "discernment ministries." All I found were "Christians" slandering others. There's a way to warn others about unscriptural teaching, but what you're doing is slandering and gossiping about people without quoting what they've actually said. You're no better than the ones you're slandering. I'm done with it!

 

[Alithis]

do you guys you ever need to go to church because: 'for when 2 or 3 are there i am there with them' 'and i send blessing and eternal life' ??? i think is important, not that myself have a very clean record attending always for various reasons but...

Also we are part of a body, and Paul said to not stop attending the services. ???
Again i not went to church in some time now, but i plan to if God helps me more etc.

nits a topic digression ,but no its not written that we are to attend services,
only adviced that we dont forsake gathering together to encourage one another...
2 or 3 are gathering a gathering of believers .it is not defined by the size of the gathering

 

[Thess]

even believers need to be rebuked at times.

But there is very clear scripture showing that they were his sheep and had eternal life (Jesus Christ ) in them. Read John 15 also.

That story you quoted about their disbelief did not say that they didn't have belief before that.

When Jesus asked Peter who do men say that he was, Peter said he was the Christ the Son of God and Jesus blessed him and said flesh and blood had not revealed it unto Him but the Father in heaven.

We read that is a person confesses Jesus as the Christ the Son of God that God dwells in him and he is born again . This manifest the birth for out of the heart the mouth speaks. The seed had taken root in peter and manifested. more fully by his confession.

This is also clear in scripture. Here are the verses among many top consider,

"Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."(1 John 4:15 KJV)

and

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him."(1 John 5:1 KJV)



and so we read

"And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 27She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

and

"And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."(Matthew 16:126,17 KJV)

and

"And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve..."(John 6:69,70 KJV)

I hear you, but I refuse to go against what is clear in scriptures. Three more verses to consider and after this I'll bow out. These passages are [after] John 15. So these passages make your John 15 point unclear.

[Jhn 16:31 NLT] 31 Jesus asked, "[Do you finally believe]?
[Jhn 20:25, 27 NLT] 25 They told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he replied, "[I won't believe it unless] I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side." ... 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. [Don't be faithless any longer. Believe]!"

 

[W2L]

I hear you, but I refuse to go against what is clear in scriptures. Three more verses to consider and after this I'll bow out. These passages are [after] John 15. So these passages make your John 15 point unclear.

[Jhn 16:31 NLT] 31 Jesus asked, "[Do you finally believe]?
[Jhn 20:25, 27 NLT] 25 They told him, "We have seen the Lord!" But he replied, "[I won't believe it unless] I see the nail wounds in his hands, put my fingers into them, and place my hand into the wound in his side." ... 27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. [Don't be faithless any longer. Believe]!"

Notice how John 20 said that those who believed receive eternal life. Notice how there is no promise of miracles but eternal life itself. We cannot go beyond context here.

 

[W2L]

but what you're doing is slandering and gossiping about people without quoting what they've actually said.

Actually the videos i posted did quote people.

 

[Thess]

Notice how John 20 said that those who believed receive eternal life. Notice how there is no promise of miracles but eternal life itself. We cannot go beyond context here.

Okie Doke.

 

[Deborah D]

That kenneth Copeland video i posted interviewed him. The other video quoted people who went to Benny Hinn's healing ministry. You call it slander but what are you doing to cessationists? Thats not slander?

You need to look up the term slander in the dictionary. You never answered my question. Did the little girl die????????