The question cessationists must answer.

[Hillsage]

There have beem those who allowed their own family membersto die rather then seeking out a dr or hospital, as that would mean they were putting faith into something other than God to heal that person!
A name it and claim it person can say whatever they want jumping off a building, but will still go splatt!

And there's been Fundamentalists who have killed their children rather than take a chance on them growing up unsaved and burning for eternity in HELL. So tit for tat, fix your own rat nest and quit making a minority story your whole stinking point of view here.

 

[Francis Drake]

Once a sinner gets saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit Himself, any and all demons must flee! God is the One doing it, not any of us!

That might be true in your mythology, but not in real living for Christ.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we constantly warned about demons?
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why did Paul have a messenger of Satan attack him.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we told to put on the whole armour of God.
If all demons must flee when we get saved, why are we told they only flee when we resist them?

 

[Francis Drake]

Paul described what the true Gospel was to us, and casting out demons, healing, and doing signs and wonders were not mentioned by Him in his description!

So, according to you, the gospel that Jesus gave wasn't the true gospel.

 

[Deborah D]

No, i never spoke in tongues, i actually ehmm, got in trouble with my autism i guess and some sins, got carried away in some things, and i'm trying to brings all the pìeces together and be like i was some time ago with the Holy spirit well put in myself plus the experience. Actually i'm sort of desperate to recover my 'full spiritual health'.
And i think God is actually helping me a lot.

I'm praying for you, NBB!

 

[Deborah D]

And there's been Fundamentalists who have killed their children rather than take a chance on them growing up unsaved and burning for eternity in HELL. So tit for tat, fix your own rat nest and quit making a minority story your whole stinking point of view here.

Wow, what can we say about this endless drivel about people who do evil things in God's name? That's exactly the kind of thing an atheist says to prove there in no God!

 

[Deborah D]

This little girl went to be healed and was asked to sit down instead. To this day shes still not been healed. This is why i don't trust those who boast in gifts.

LOL, do you know the little girl??? How do you know she hasn't gotten healed to this day? More misinformation from you?

 

[YeshuaFan]

John was filled with the Holy Ghost from his mothers womb, but not baptized with the Holy Ghost baptism, as he said himself.

11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now:..."(Matthew 3:11-15 KJV)

God has shown me his order to set for the churches and confirmed it in scripture. And many other things.

ALL Christians have been Baptized by the Holy Spirit into the person and Body of Christ, as that is not any second act of Grace!
The scriptures only know being indwelt and being filled by the Holy Spirit...

 

[Hillsage]

Once a sinner gets saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit Himself, any and all demons must flee! God is the One doing it, not any of us!

OK, since you can't I will. Be sure to put your dentures in or you'll miss what requires a bit of chewing to understand.

2CO 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.


2CO 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.


XR NUM 33:55 But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell.


*EPH 4:27 Neither give place/topos to the devil.


5117 topos: a spot (gen. in space, but limited occupancy), i.e. location, opportunity; spec. a scabbard


XR JOH 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place/topos for you.

 

[YeshuaFan]

And this coming from the guy who is always insisting he only follows the bible. LOL.
Well, I've got news for you my friend, here's the great commission.

The Great Commission
…16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; ……………………

Seems you've been slicing pages you don't like from that bible of yours again.

Disputed passage, probably not originally in the Gospel of Mark, and the Great Commission is in Matthew's Gospel!

 

[NBB]

ALL Christians have been Baptized by the Holy Spirit into the person and Body of Christ, as that is not any second act of Grace!
The scriptures only know being indwelt and being filled by the Holy Spirit...

I don't know exactly what you are talking about, but the baptism or the Holy spirit is what happened at pentecost not neccesarily with the same manifestations can happen today to any christians who seek it, or if God wants, and what happened at pentecost was that they were filled with the Holy spirit.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Jesus gave His disciples power over evil spirits and these same disciples weren't even "believers" at that point. Wow, my how things changed after Christs resurrection.

They were actually believers. Jesus calls them his sheep sent to the lost sheep. And that they were of his own household in Matthew 10. He even says that the Spirit of the Father would speak in them when needed in Matthew 10.

Here are some verses to consider about this.

"And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples,..."(Matthew 10:1) Notice that they were "His", not the devils.

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, ...6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel...Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:"(Matthew 10:5,6,16 KJV)

So they were all found sheep sent to the lost sheep. Jesus would not send a lost sheep to help a lost sheep. y calling them sheep this shows they were saved

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life;..."(John 10:27 KJV)


To see that they all belonged to the Father even before they met Jesus read John 17:6

"I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."(John 17:6 KJV)

But again this connects to the great mystery and is a different discussion. How the OT saints were saved and how God reaches even the unevangelized is a long deeper talk. Which scripture has much to say.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Calling physical death a healing is one of the worst and cheapest forms of deception I have ever come across.
Nowhere in the scriptures do we find the Lord using that excuse.

Can you imagine that as a defence in a murder trial? But your honour, I was just healing him when I slit his throat!

Read Hebrews 11, the WoF just read the part where God explains how His saints did mighty miracles, did great things, had it all, and just skip over the passage describing how some just as faithful as the prior group were sawn in half, destitute, wanderings in caves, tortured for their faith...
All of the original Apostles, save foir John, and paul died and suffered horrible fashion for Jesus, were their deaths cheap deceptions?

 

[LoveofTruth]

Disputed passage, probably not originally in the Gospel of Mark, and the Great Commission is in Matthew's Gospel!

Early so called "fathers" quoted it way before the so called oldest manuscripts were used for modern versions. This section should be in the bible.

But maybe don't get too deep into the text and manuscripts here for now. It's a long talk 45 hours or so.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I quoted this verse from Mark earlier in the thread. SM said it was just a prediction and, of course, said it was questionable according to some versions.... HCSB, KJV and AMPC don't show it as being questionable. In truth this is a powerful prophecy, and it's a sure word.

Check Nasb/Niv/esv/ also!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I think nobody is defending those teachings here...

Those who hold to woF do, as that is their theology!

 

[YeshuaFan]

point is we dont build theology on an exception, i too have been sick near death days after seeing people healed,

but hey..how many did i see healed in many years of NOT praying for the sick based upon wrong theology basedon the exception..?= none.

how many healed since i began praying for the sick ignoring such theology and doing what Jesus said?
very many indeed.
so people can stick to theology which undermines faith which cannot please God.
or
they can have faith step out and obey.

Do you ask and pray in the name of Jesus, and that the will of God be done? As many times, God allows his saints to die, or to get healed by medicine or surgeries also!

 

[NBB]

ALL Christians have been Baptized by the Holy Spirit into the person and Body of Christ, as that is not any second act of Grace!
The scriptures only know being indwelt and being filled by the Holy Spirit...

We have thousands of 'acts of grace' not just 2 and being filled with the Holy spirit like the bible says, they were already believers, there was as you see, a waiting time, between they converted and were filled, and not all christians receive this.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Like the doctrine of demons that says there are no more prophetic gifts.

There are NO more prophecies being given, in the sense of forth telling though, as all that God wants us to know of the future was laid out in His word for us already!

 

[YeshuaFan]

please dont come to the sickbed side of any we love if your going to only have faith for thier death

Our faith heals no one, as we pray in faith to the One that does heal, and he is still sovereign, so he is allowed to say that death will be their passage home now, or heal them on the spot, its all His call!

 

[Thess]

I'll have to think about it and let you know.

Edit: Even though we are all to do the work of an evangelist and share the gospel, God has usually used the gift of prophecy in my life as a ministry to believers at church. So, I asked the Holy Spirit to bring situations to mind that you're asking about.

Sounds great, I'm interested! Everyone should pay attention to one that claims to have such a relationship with God. I'll listen to you all day if you confirm Scriptures.