The purpose of adhering to gender roles

[mpok1519]

Exactly; the objectification of women as sex-toys and Stepford wives is a lil unnerving...

 

[WatersMoon110]

Don't even get me started on Cosmo. Most of the time it just tells women how to please their men, and how they should invest in all sorts of beauty products to try to attract a man, etc.

I think my sister actually wrote a college paper on how beauty products were the "answer" to feminism. Because that is what one does at Oberlin. *grin*

 

[Garyzenuf]

That article may not be true:

http://www.snopes.com/language/document/goodwife.asp

Seems the Do's and Don'ts that actually were in the book are worse than the article itself.

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[CreedIsChrist]

I'm defending peoples' right to do as they will and choose; divorce has had a positive impact on society as well, and not only negative impacts; now women arent afraid to go out into the world and make something of themselves, like having a CAREER.

If you think divorce has a positive impact then you obviously haven't read the stats and consequences divorce has caused. In fact when no-fault divorce was legalized unhappiness in familys increased. In fact every old person I know said familys were much more happy decades ago than today.

You're one of the ONLY people in the world that thinks women shouldn't have a career of their own. lol Oh wait, all those religious whackos with bombs on their chests believe what you believe. Isnt it ironic? Dontchya think? =P Your ideals are breeding more crime and dismay in the world bro; its the 20th century; get with the program! Stop living in the dark ages

I doubt Im the only person. As the Apostle Paul, Timothy, Moses, and other prophets has written. Also true christians would recognize this. But then again the Holy Spirit will quell a rebellious woman or man. It is clear that god created woman as a helpmeet for the man, read Genesis. Timothy states that women are to be modest quiet and keepers of the home. He also states that husbands are not to abuse their wives. A husband cannot force a woman to be something else. Trying to force a feminist into being a decent woman would take a miracle(athough there are many ex feminists like Phyliss Shafly and Dr Laura Schlislinger who found out what feminism was really like). Again your just another person who thinks feminism is some liberating wonderful event for women. It isn't. Its hampered women, increased divorce, pressured abortion to be legalized, and ruined family values, told women to dress like harlots, and espesially hurt women who prefer to be housewives.

What, you've never heard of be all that you can be? Do what you want to do? Do and be anything your heart desires? We tell our children these kinds of things a positive reinforcement. Would you be one of those that tells kids "Do what OTHER people want you to do. do what your religion tells you to do. Dont ever make decisions for yourself." Yes, sell your soul for the world; but I don't see it like that. See, the world is ephemeral, and won't be here forever. But I thought our souls lasted forever. It seems like one might wanna hold onto their soul, because the world is getting a lil too overcrowded, polluted and smelly anyway. Nah, I think I'll keep my soul. And I'm sure Jesus would agree nowadays, cuz I don't think Jesus appreciated the fact that there are crazy and idiotic people out there, not to mention nuclear fallout, acid rain, war, etc....

I'd sad your gonna sell your soul for this evil world. That is totally against what Christ said, who specifically said we must abstain from the world to get our riches in heaven. But you seem to prefer to keep your riches where moths, thieves and rust come. Im sorry, but all those temporary things are gonna be gone in probably 50-60 years for you. Eternity is forever. I wise man puts his riches in heaven, not here on earth.


“Store up riches… in heaven… For your heart will always be where your riches are.” (Matthew 6:20-21)

Well, not the whole world fits into your little tiny heart-shaped box of irrationality. lol Oooookay, well, trust me, you don't need to feel sorry for anything. Our family is fine, we turned out great; my mother is a successful judge, and my father is a self-made millionaire. He would not have been able to achieve this had he not lived on the west-coast where his profession is widely needed. She would not have been able to get her foot in the door if she had moved to the west-coast. MY mother also divorced my father because he had an alcohol problem as well. This is a problem only he could have taken care of, and she was fearful his drinking might somehow hurt me and my brother. He's sober now, after twenty-years of never touching a drink, and now, he has moderated his drinking responsibly. you have nothign positive to say tho

It sounds like you must brag about your fathers money or your mothers job. But as Christ said your riches are where your heart is. And its obvious by this post where your heart seems to be.

Many poor people are miserable too. Money has nothing to do with how happy one is. But I find it astonishing that you wouldn't let your wife take the job. lol funny thing is, I bet she would take the job regardless of what you say or forbid! You could probably beat her with the bible until shes black and blue with the lord's wrath, but as soon as you say "No honey, its my job to make more money in the household," she'd say "Too bad, I'm taking this job whether you, god or anyone else forbids it." lol Well, at least thats what a LOGICAL and SANE person would do. You honestly think your wife would pass up the opportunity to secure a healthy and happy future with a well-aying career of her own just because you would protest? Live in the real world buddy. lol you act as if because a woman has a job it DESTROYS her ability to raise and communicate efficiently with their family. You sir, live in a strange and negative world;

No, my wife herself wouldn't want the job because she loves her family too much to leave them and shes already a dedicated Christian. Also my wife wouldn't talk to me in that disrespectful rude way you list your quotes. It might be the way your divorced parents talked to each other but in our family we have respect and love for each other. As proverbs states, a man shouldn't get involved with a rebellious woman because a rebellious woman is poison to her husbands bones. Many divorces happen because people simply can't even follow the simple wisdom of Solomon and David on chosing a decent spouse.

At the expense? What if it is for the BETTER of the family? You act as if it MUST be the man making the money, and the women take care of the domestic responsibilites. THIS IS SEXIST. Very, very sexist. You act as if there are NO functional divorced families out there. You act as if all divorces lead to broken and impoverish homes; you're wrong. lol you couldnt be more wrong! Just because one has a penis doesn't make them any better than someone without a penis....the bible isnt supposed to be sexist y'know....

No there aren't. There may be familys who get around the problems a little easier than others but their family will always be dysfunctional because they're kids have hampered bonding and support from their parents.

Why don't you tell that to kids where their mommy is out everynight gettting drunk with strange men and coming home late with no food or care for them? Oh, but you say she should just do whatever she wants. Seriously, get real. Or a child left home alone because neither parent can even take care of them because their too busy in their own selfish dealings and have no moral structure to even know what to do because they have been entrenched in the same filthy proproganda that you spew about todays so called "modern" familys. What effect do you think this type of new parenting is gonna have on future children? ANd worse, how will it teach them to be in their own marriages and how to take care of their children? Mind you half of all inmates came from broken homes.

Dont act as if you actually know what the Bible says; no one does, and people have been killing and murdering and oppressing millions for eons for what they think the Bible says; you sir, are no different. You don't know what the Bible says, and neither does anyone else. Its ALL up to personal interpretation,

Oh please, with that view you can justify anything. God wouldn't write an inspired book that people couldn't understand. When Jesus says "whoever divorces his wife and marrys another commits adultry", it is pretty clear what it means. You can't get around the corners of the word. Allthough its amusing to watch people try

I'm not divorced; my parents are. lol You, havn't been paying attention have you? heh Lemmie guess, bc my parent got divorced, I'm suddenly this thing that has ideals that aren't working? You're the one whos admitting being a biggot and sexist; but somehow, life isnt working out for me? lol ooookay. You're the one who thinks divorce leads to dysfunction; but lemmie tell you what REALLY is dysfunctional; sexism and bigotry. Those are true dysfunctions of a troubled mind.

You said you were living proof that divorce is ok. Im sorry but based on your posts and ideals your a clear example why divorce is NOT ok. When someone can justify a husband or wife running out on their family there is something not functional in your moral at all.

Ooooh yes! My ways of tolerance anti-bigotry and anti-sexism have SUCH a negative impact on the functional half of society!!!!!!!! ahhhhh! lol not all divorced coupled 'shuffle' their kids; its called driving them, or flying them, to their destination, so they can be with their mother or father. I don't see it as shuffling because I don't have a mind enough to objectify people as a deck of cars passing with the dealer button. If your wife divorced you tomorrow, you wouldn't either.

Well your definatly not tolerant of the bible or christian moral. The only things your tolerant of are things that hurt people. Divorce, greed, money, vanity, ego, arrogance. Since your probably a pampered rich kid you've probably haven't seen the real effect of what divorce and broken familys have on this world. Granted you probably haven't been to social services or child services where you see children everyday from broken homes. Rich kids tend to live very cushined lifestyles where they don't really see the effect of things like divorce or crime on society.

gimmie a break. The divorce rate is like what 50% now? you HONESTLY think that half of the united states lives in poverish, negative dysfunction? don't knock divorce buddy....it could still happen to you. then you'll just have to adjust.

Uh, the United States has the highest rate of crime, murder, divorce, abortion and corruption than nearly any other country in this world. Maybe minus Mexico City but again this just proves that you haven't seen much of the real world.

ANd no, me and my wife don't believe in divorce. I would never marrry a woman who thought divorce was ok. That would immediatly give up a red light sign that she is not a Godly decent woman.

Dude, you're blind to the obvious and inherant truths observable with just a little bit of open perception a keen eye and a little common sense. You suggest my family is dysfunctional, but my family are all college grads, successful and happy individuals, but yet, we're dysfunctional

Well based on your posts and your arrogance they probably are. And as the bible says, God made the foolish things of the world to confound the wise. So of course the things I say will be foolishness to you.

Exactly; the objectification of women as sex-toys and Stepford wives is a lil unnerving...

Women are objected as sex toys because feminism has told women today that they can dress however they want without any modesty or respect. How do you expect people to treat women like when they dress like harlots?? Men had alot more respect for women decades ago than they do now. Im sure even you can agree with that.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Has that ever happened?

Well, what is the reason they don't want to live together? Because it's an inconvience them having different beliefs?

Um. Yes. It happened to me.

 

[QuakerOats]

If you think divorce has a positive impact then you obviously haven't read the stats and consequences divorce has caused.

I know that divorce can be detrimental, but it's ultimately better than living with an abusive spouse, or parents who argue constantly, and basically dislike each other. I can cite my own childhood experience as evidence.

In fact when no-fault divorce was legalized unhappiness in familys increased.

Can you provide some evidence for this claim?

In fact every old person I know said familys were much more happy decades ago than today.

I know a good number of elderly people too, and I know that not all of them feel that way, so it's obviously only speculation.

Trying to force a feminist in being a decent woman would take a miracle

That's pretty rude, CreedIsChrist, though I suspect 'decent' is in the eye of the beholder.

Again you just another person who thinks feminism is so liberating wonderful event for women. It isn't. Its hampered women, increased divorce, pressured abortion to be legalized, and ruined family values, espesially women who prefer to be housewives.

As a woman, I don't feel that feminism has hampered me. In fact, I'm glad for all that it has given me, even if some extreme advocates have taken things too far in the other direction.

No, my wife herself wouldn't want the job because she loves her family too much to leave them

Not all women who work do so because they want to, and for those that do, and have children at home, I don't see it as that big of a deal, so long as adequate time is put aside to spend time with them. As it stands, most children 4+ are in school during the day, anyhow.

Also my wife wouldn't talk to me in that disrespectful rude way you list your quotes. It might be the way your divorced parents talked to each other but in our family we have respect and love for each other.

I don't think it's disrespectful to advocate for one's self.

There may be familys who get around the problems a little easier than others but their family will always be dysfunctional because they're kids have hampered bonding and support from their parents.

It seems to me that most families are 'dysfunctional' in one way or another, but that's pure speculation on my part. As for the 'hampered bonding and support,' again, my personal situation contradicts that; we've actually had it better since the divorce.

Women are objected as sex toys because feminism has told women today that they can dress however they want without any modesty or respect.

I tend to believe that modesty is a state of mind, or being, rather than a manner of dress, and obviously some women like being objectified.

How do you expect people to treat women like when they dress like harlots?? Men had alot more respect for women decades ago than they do now. Im sure even you can agree with that.

If a man's general respect is founded, and given in accordance with a person's attire, he obviously has the problem, not the women or others in question.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

I know that divorce can be detrimental, but it's ultimately better than living with an abusive spouse, or parents who argue constantly, and basically dislike each other. I can cite my own childhood experience as evidence.

Well thats the problem. Parents who argue without having the maturity to make up don't have strong faith. Anybody can change. And with ideals like No fault divorce and reducing family roles peple can justify leaving much easier rather than making the true effort. Most parents who divorced have not make a true effort to change.

Can you provide some evidence for this claim?

http://www.divorcereform.org/stats.html

"When researchers examined data from the late 1980s on 5,232 married adults, they found that 645 subjects reported marital dissatisfaction. When the unhappy spouses were surveyed five years later, those who had remained married were more likely than divorced subjects to state that they were happy. In fact, the most miserable marriages had the most dramatic turnarounds: 78 percent of people who stayed in "very unhappy" marriages said that the marriages were currently happy. " [Kary, T. (2002) Don't Divorce, Be Happy. Psychology Today, v35 i6 p26(1). Retrieved June 9, 2004 from Expanded Academic ASAP.]


"Significantly more child behavioral problems are found in those families that have an unsatisfactory marriage than in those with a happy marriage, but the behavioral problems from the single-parent families are far worse than in unhappily married families."
"No-Fault Divorce: Proposed Solutions to a National Tragedy," 1993 Journal of Legal Studies 2, 22, citing Carolyn Webster-Stratton, The Relationship of Marital Support, Conflict, and Divorce to Parents' Perceptions, Behaviors, and Childhood Conduct Problems, 51 JOURNAL OF MARR. AND THE FAMILY417-430 (1989).


Kids twice as likely to be JDs, teen moms if father not in home

A survey of 108 rapists undertaken by Raymond A. Knight and Robert A. Prentky revealed the 60 percent came from female-headed homes,. 70 percent of those describable as 'violent' came from female-headed homes. 80 percent of those motivated by 'displaced anger' came from female-headed (single-parent) homes.
"No-Fault Divorce: Proposed Solutions to a National Tragedy," 1993 Journal of Legal Studies 2, 19, citing R. Knight and R. Prentky, The Developmental Antecedents and Adult Adaptations of Rapist Subtypes, 14 CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND BEHAVIOR 403-426 (1987).

Rapists, murderers, lifers, dropouts, abuse victims: mostly from broken homes

Effects of divorce on low-income boys (1994 Cornell U. study)

Of the juvenile criminals who are a threat to the public, three-fourths came from broken homes.
Ramsey Clark, Crime in America: Observations on Its Nature, Causes, Prevention and Control (New York: Pocket Books, 1970), p.39. Cited in Amneus, The Garbage Generation

A 1987 study found that divorce - regardless of the economic status of the disrupted family - posed the strongest correlation with robbery rates in American cities larger than 100,000 population.
Brian Willats, Breaking Up is Easy To Do, available from Michigan Family Forum, citing R.J. Sampson, "Crime in Cities: The Effects of Formal and Informal Social Control," Crime and Justice (Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press, 1987). Cited in "Divorce: A Hazard to Your Health?" p. 16.

. Cynthia Harper of the
University of Pennsylvania and Sara S. McLanahan of Princeton
University tracked a sample of 6,000 males aged 14-22 from 1979-93.
They found that those boys whose fathers were absent from the
household had double the odds of being incarcerated - even when other
factors such as race, income, parent education and urban residence
were held constant. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2555648262-e68

Studies have shown that there is a strong correlation with the number of single parent families and the crime rate in a cities with a population over 100,000 regardless of the socioeconomics or racial composition of the city.
"No-Fault Divorce: Proposed Solutions to a National Tragedy," 1993 Journal of Legal Studies 2, 19 citing R. Sampson, Crime in Cities: The Effects of Formal and Informal Social Control. In M. Tonry & Morris, Crime and Justice 271-301 (1987).

The rate of violent crime and burglary is related to the number of single parent households with children aged twelve to twenty.
"No-Fault Divorce: Proposed Solutions to a National Tragedy," 1993 Journal of Legal Studies 2, 19, citing Douglas A. Smith, G. and Roger Jarjoura, Social Structure and Criminal Victimiazation, 25 Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency 27-52 (1988).

A study showed that over half (53 percent) of the inmates of state correctional facilities had grown up without the benefits of a two parent household.
"No-Fault Divorce: Proposed Solutions to a National Tragedy," 1993 Journal of Legal Studies 2, 19, citing B. Chapman, Fairness For Families: An Organing Theme for the Administration's Social Policies, 2 The Journal of Family and Culture 23 (1986).

Delinquency rates are 10 to 15 percent higher in broken homes than in intact ones.
Brian Willats, Breaking Up is Easy To Do, available from Michigan Family Forum, citing Edward L. Wells and Joseph H. Rankin, "Families and Delinquency: A Meta-Analysis of the Impact of Broken Homes," Social Problems, 38:1, p. 87.

"The greater the proportion of single-mother families in a neighborhood, the higher the delinquency rate."
Don Terry, "Killed by Her Friends, Sons of the Heartland," New York Times, 18 May 1994, A1. Cited on page48 ofThe Abolition of Marriage, by Maggie Gallagher


"Children from divorced families are caught in the middle of parental conflicts
significantly more often and experience more stress than children from intact homes. "
Kurkowski, K., Gordon, D.A., & Arbuthnot, J. (1993). Children caught in the
middle: A brief educational intervention for parents. Journal of Divorce and
Remarriage, 20, 139-151

"Divorced adults are more susceptible to severe emotional and psychological problems, plus early death from an assortment of causes, than for married individuals. The suicide rate for divorced white men, for example, is four times higher than for their married counterparts. "In Sickness and in Health: The Medical Costs of Family Meltdown," Policy Review, Spring 1992, p. 71. Cited in Brian Willats, Breaking Up is Easy To Do, available from Michigan Family Forum.



" For one thing, most
batterers are not husbands. A 1991 Justice Department survey, for example,
found that more than two-thirds of domestic violence offenders were boyfriends
or ex-spouses, while just 9 percent were spouses. Cohabitating women,
according to one review of the literature, are four times more likely to
suffer severe violence than married women."

"The proportion of married Americans that are not happy with their marriage has not changed, but the [proportion] that are happy has dropped sharply from more than half to less than two-fifths."
The Abolition of Marriage, by Maggie Gallagher page 107, citing Norvall Glenn, "The Social and Cultural Meaning of Marriage," in The Retreat from Marriage, Bryce Christensen, ed.

"The proportion of kids that are living with unhappily married parents has not changed, but the proportion of kids living with happily married parents has fell from what was in the seventies a majority, is now at 40%."
The Abolition of Marriage, by Maggie Gallagher page 107, citing Norvall Glenn, "The Re-Evaluation of Family Change by American Social Scientists" (1994), Figures 1 and 2.

"Since the introduction of "no-fault divorce" in Canada 30 years ago, the
rate of marital break-up has soared 600%. A third of marriages fail, and
over a third of those break-ups involve children. One-fifth of Canadian
children have lost a parent to divorce, with an effect that some
sociologists now say can be "worse than a parent's death." Divorce is
consistently associated with juvenile emotional disorders, crime,
suicide, promiscuity and later marital break-up."
From "The push for 'high-octane' marriages: An American state rolls back the divorce revolution by re-establishing life-long covenants.
By Tim Rotheisler. Alberta Report, August 4, 1997



Religious Involvement
Divorce lowers the likelihood of remaining involved in communities of faith for all religious groups studied. However, this was least pronounced for conservative Protestants. Lawton, L. E., & Bures, R. (2001). Parental Divorce and the "Switching" of Religious Identity. Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, 40, 99-111. Synopsis by Scott Stanley, on the Smart Marriages Archive 2/25/02, modified.



One million children in America are involved in a new divorce annually, as
of 1997, according to divorcemagazine.com, and The Children's Fund reports
that one in three American children is born to unmarried parents (2004 Key
Facts About American Children).

The number of children whose parents divorce grew by 700 percent from 1900 to 1972.
Kingsley Davis, "The American Famiy in Relation to Demographic Change," in Demographic and Social Aspects of Population Growth, Vol. 1, Charles R. Westoff and Robert Parke, eds., Commission on Population Growth and the American Future. Gov't Printing Office 1972. Quoted in All Our Children: The American Family Under Pressure, by Kenneth Kenniston and the Carnegie Council on Children. New York: Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1977. p. 4.

. Today, children are increasingly seen as secondary to the perceived personal needs of the spouses.
"The number of children involved in divorces and annulments stood at 6.3 per 1,000 children under 18 years of age in 1950, and 7.2 in 1960. By 1970 it had increased to 12.5; by 1975, 16.7; by 1980, the rate stood at 17.3, a 175 percent increase from 1950.

As a woman, I don't feel that feminism has hampered me. In fact, I'm glad for all that it has given me, even if some extreme advocates have taken things too far in the other direction.

Just because you feel it hasn't hampered you dosen't mean that it hasn't. The ideals of modern feminism follow many women into their marriage and their child caretaking. Remember divorce rose from 15-40% right when second wave feminism, no fault divorce and abortion came into play.

Not all women who work do so because they want to, and for those that do, and have children at home, I don't see it as that big of a deal, so long as adequate time is put aside to spend time with them. As it stands, most children 4+ are in school during the day, anyhow

I can understand that as for survival. But if a woman is married and can stay home she should at all costs for the wellbeing of the family. But this whole idea and construct that todays feminism puts into the minds of women today is a very anti-family notion. First husbands and any type of housewife role was severely attacked, after Roe V Wade feminists then started attacking even their own unborn children. We can clearly see feminism is a direct attack on the structure of family.

It seems to me that most families are 'dysfunctional' in one way or another, but that's pure speculation on my part. As for the 'hampered bonding and support,' again, my personal situation contradicts that; we've actually had it better since the divorce.

Yes, but the parents must make the effort to giev their familys as much as they can. Yes some may not be white collar, but the love and foundation should always still be there.

I tend to believe that modesty is a state of mind, or being, rather than a manner of dress, and obviously some women like being objectified.

No, there are standards for modesty. We know in our own hearts when someone dresses immodest. Remember we have the written law on our hearts. When someone sees a harlot in skimpy clothing that is designed to entice lust in men and make them error then its obvious what shes doing is immodest because all the traits of modesty(humbleness, meekness, properness, respect) is not there.

If a man's general respect is founded, and given in accordance with a person's attire, he obviously has the problem, not the women or others in question

Yes but people tend to get back the respect they put out. WHen someone wears skimpy clothing they are not respecting the public. Wearing such clothing can cause other people to fall and lust, which objectifys both the wearer and the other person. It would be the same if someone was screaming in your ear while you were trying to read, goto church, or walk down the street. Its disrespectful and rude.

 

[mpok1519]

If you think divorce has a positive impact then you obviously haven't read the stats and consequences divorce has caused. In fact when no-fault divorce was legalized unhappiness in familys increased. In fact every old person I know said familys were much more happy decades ago than today.

I'm saying it doesnt ALWAYS have a negative impact; many times it is for the better good; like I said, my parents would not have been able to further their careers to the level they are now UNLESS they became divorced. Many times divorce has a positive impact, much like in cases where one of the parents are being abusive.

You sir, don't live with Christ in your heart if you think its better for an abusive and drug addicted father to stay in the household creating a dangerous enviornment for the family; divorce doesnt ALWAYS have to be bad; even 'bad' things can have positive impacts. =)

I doubt Im the only person. As the Apostle Paul, Timothy, Moses, and other prophets has written. Also true christians would recognize this. But then again the Holy Spirit will quell a rebellious woman or man. It is clear that god created woman as a helpmeet for the man, read Genesis. Timothy states that women are to be modest quiet and keepers of the home. He also states that husbands are not to abuse their wives. A husband cannot force a woman to be something else. Trying to force a feminist into being a decent woman would take a miracle(athough there are many ex feminists like Phyliss Shafly and Dr Laura Schlislinger who found out what feminism was really like). Again your just another person who thinks feminism is some liberating wonderful event for women. It isn't. Its hampered women, increased divorce, pressured abortion to be legalized, and ruined family values, told women to dress like harlots, and espesially hurt women who prefer to be housewives.

This is proof you're dillusional and a sexist and a bigot; get help buddy. Women aren't your little toys that you can demand do everything you tell them to do. My mother is a feminist, and she is an EXCEPTIONAL human being. And since all those people you mentioned are dead, listen to people alive here and now; a thousand years from now, no one will be thinking "oh, well, Tmiothy and matthew said women can't have careers." You trash talking women with careers is just diabolical.

Dont you thinkt hat if women should not have careers, they wouldnt? But in life, everything usually happens for a good reason, and that good reason is that WOMEN ARE JUST AS GOOD AS MEN! Feminism is about choice to do what one wishes; stay at home, or get a career, either or is good! But so long as it was HER choice, and not Gods, her husbands, or anyone else's.

I'd sad your gonna sell your soul for this evil world. That is totally against what Christ said, who specifically said we must abstain from the world to get our riches in heaven. But you seem to prefer to keep your riches where moths, thieves and rust come. Im sorry, but all those temporary things are gonna be gone in probably 50-60 years for you. Eternity is forever. I wise man puts his riches in heaven, not here on earth.

I said I'm gonna keep my soul; the world isn't even worth it; my soul lasts forever, and the world wont; not only are you sexist, biggoted and dillusional, but you also can't read what I am typing.

It sounds like you must brag about your fathers money or your mothers job. But as Christ said your riches are where your heart is. And its obvious by this post where your heart seems to be.

No sir; you simply made an assumption that divorced families are ALWAYS dysfunctional, impoverished and broken homes. I was simply stating how your outlook is completely false, as many successful people are from divorced families. I'm stating a fact that my family is successful to prove a point that divorce doesn't always end up as this nightmare you're trying to portray it as.

No, my wife herself wouldn't want the job because she loves her family too much to leave them and shes already a dedicated Christian. Also my wife wouldn't talk to me in that disrespectful rude way you list your quotes. It might be the way your divorced parents talked to each other but in our family we have respect and love for each other. As proverbs states, a man shouldn't get involved with a rebellious woman because a rebellious woman is poison to her husbands bones. Many divorces happen because people simply can't even follow the simple wisdom of Solomon and David on chosing a decent spouse.

Well, don't speak too soon; Solomon had many wives, but, it would be wrong for one of them to divorce him? lol geeze his wives must have all had low self esteems if they felt they should be nothing but his concubine to be used as a sex toy. See, America didnt invent the objectification of women, Solomon did! So, don't speak too soon; your wife can have a change of heart any day, and you can always do something to drive her away; don't predict the future too soon. =)

No there aren't. There may be familys who get around the problems a little easier than others but their family will always be dysfunctional because they're kids have hampered bonding and support from their parents.

lol theres plenty of abuse and dysfunction within married homes too; your ignorance, bigotry and dillusion stand out obviously in this one; you think that one can't be normal and functional if theyre from a divorced home, yet I'm sure you wouldn't say that to any of your friends or family who are from divorced homes; I dare you to go up to all of them and explain to them that they are not normal, and dysfunctional. lol yeah, I'm sure you would. Again, nothing positive to say.

Why don't you tell that to kids where their mommy is out everynight gettting drunk with strange men and coming home late with no food or care for them? Oh, but you say she should just do whatever she wants. Seriously, get real. Or a child left home alone because neither parent can even take care of them because their too busy in their own selfish dealings and have no moral structure to even know what to do because they have been entrenched in the same filthy proproganda that you spew about todays so called "modern" familys. What effect do you think this type of new parenting is gonna have on future children? ANd worse, how will it teach them to be in their own marriages and how to take care of their children? Mind you half of all inmates came from broken homes.

lol Are you insane?! get help buddy! You need some serious conseling! lol Perhaps that mom shouldnt be out getting drunk, perhaps she should be out working so her kid can eat! What she should want to do is further her life and make it as successful as possible; sure, some people want to destroy life rather than protect it, but those people are far and few between.

Selfish dealings? like, what, going to work so their kids can eat? Going to work so they can pay the babysitter? Oh, sooooo selfish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People should want to further their lives and careers in positive ways; you obviously see more negative in life than positive; this is the attitude that becomes a cancerous disease on society; if you're just negative about the facts of life, then you will either spread that same negativity, or you will be 'cured'.

Oh please, with that view you can justify anything. God wouldn't write an inspired book that people couldn't understand. When Jesus says "whoever divorces his wife and marrys another commits adultry", it is pretty clear what it means. You can't get around the corners of the word. Allthough its amusing to watch people try

its amazing/amusing to see people live in fearful dillusion and social retardation.

You said you were living proof that divorce is ok. Im sorry but based on your posts and ideals your a clear example why divorce is NOT ok. When someone can justify a husband or wife running out on their family there is something not functional in your moral at all.

Again, you didnt read what I typed; my mom divorced my dad bc he was an alcoholic and she didnt want that around her kids at all. But, in a dillusional mind, one would think alcoholism is a good thing....

Well your definatly not tolerant of the bible or christian moral. The only things your tolerant of are things that hurt people. Divorce, greed, money, vanity, ego, arrogance. Since your probably a pampered rich kid you've probably haven't seen the real effect of what divorce and broken familys have on this world. Granted you probably haven't been to social services or child services where you see children everyday from broken homes. Rich kids tend to live very cushined lifestyles where they don't really see the effect of things like divorce or crime on society.

Oh yeah; pampered is having twenty bucks in a bank account all year and eating one meal a day just so i can keep the lights on. Gotchya buddy. lol Obviously you keep making wrong assertions about me, and about life; you keep attacking me with false claims, but I know I speak the truth when I say you are biggoted, sexist and dillusional.

Uh, the United States has the highest rate of crime, murder, divorce, abortion and corruption than nearly any other country in this world. Maybe minus Mexico City but again this just proves that you haven't seen much of the real world.

Ive been to many places around the world; if the USA is so bad, it seems to be a great place! Sean Hannity said "the USA is the best place God has on earth". proves that conservatives have dillusions of grandeur.

ANd no, me and my wife don't believe in divorce. I would never marrry a woman who thought divorce was ok. That would immediatly give up a red light sign that she is not a Godly decent woman.

If your wife was suddenly offered a chance to persue her own dreams(if she has any that don't include 'heaven') and one offered a billion dollars to her, trust me, she'd take it. Saying she wouldn't is a lie. lol

Women are objected as sex toys because feminism has told women today that they can dress however they want without any modesty or respect. How do you expect people to treat women like when they dress like harlots?? Men had alot more respect for women decades ago than they do now. Im sure even you can agree with that.

Solomon's sex slave toys didnt need modern american feminism to objectify women, did he? Dont blame American feminism on things that have been around since man decided that they were beter than women.


Dont predict the future; your wife might have a change of heart any day. =)

God bless!

 

[mpok1519]

Creed is Christ,

also, if a woman's man left her, what should she do first?

A) immediately go to church to try and find a husband to replace the old one
B) immediately try to find a career to support her children
C) immediately stay at home and collect welfare checks
D) just pray and hope everything is fine

I'm guessing its not B. D, A, or C, is what I'm guessing CiC would choose.

 

[ke1985]

Creed,

What personality characteristics should men have? Since women have to fit into this mold...

 

[wanderingone]

A survey of 108 rapists undertaken by Raymond A. Knight and Robert A. Prentky revealed the 60 percent came from female-headed homes,. 70 percent of those describable as 'violent' came from female-headed homes. 80 percent of those motivated by 'displaced anger' came from female-headed (single-parent) homes.

wow, a whole 108 people?

Here's the problem with using a single factor like "female headed" homes -- to account for someone being a rapist. In the area where those rapists lived (because I doubt that in a study of 108 it was some type of nationwide survey) what are the percentage of people who grew up in a single parent home with mom being that single parent? What percentage of children raised in a single parent home became rapists? What percentage of children raised in a 2 parent home became rapists? What percentage of children raised in a 2 parent home had been in that 2 parent home for their entire childhood? What percentage had an abusive father? Abusive mother? A parent who abused the other parent?

How many rapes are reported to the rape crisis center/hotline in that area.. what percentage of those rapes ever make it to a police report? What percentage of those on the police reports ever get charged? What percentage ever end up in jail answering a survey? What percentage of those reported rapes that are never charged are people who were raised by a single parent?

What percentage of rapists answering a survey lie about the circumstances of their childhood?

 

[wanderingone]

Do other people besides creed believe having a job at all is a male role?
Creed are women who are not married also supposed to not work outside of their home? If they are then how can working or not working be a "gender" role? Or.. are women who aren't married somehow failing in their roles as women by not accepting some mate.. any mate?

 

[mpok1519]

this is what i wondered; what about unmarried women? How they they support theirselves?

and if you are not married, are you disobeying God's orders?

and really, isnt that unfair? I mean, am I disobeying God everytime a woman says "no" when I propose to her?

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Yeah, that's why I say may not instead of saying flat out that it was fake. But I think it is. (hopefully)

My 84 year old mother actually said it was fairly common back in the day and she thinks she has a copy of it around somewhere.

 

[keith99]

Seems the Do's and Don'ts that actually were in the book are worse than the article itself.

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Looks like I'd have made a pretty bad 50s husband and I probably read too much fantasy and Science Fiction.

What I expect from a wife is to fight beside me and if need be standing back to back against the world.

Since I'm apt to be a better cook (almost for sure better at some dishes) I'll cook, at least some.

But I do have one old school thing. I do expect submission in one thing. If I tell her it is time to run I expect her to obey, even though will not do as I tell her to. In some things women have the harder task.​

 

[Nihilismus]

I don't usually root for the Patriarchy, but I've got a friend on the team.

 

[keith99]

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wow, a whole 108 people?

Here's the problem with using a single factor like "female headed" homes -- to account for someone being a rapist. In the area where those rapists lived (because I doubt that in a study of 108 it was some type of nationwide survey) what are the percentage of people who grew up in a single parent home with mom being that single parent? What percentage of children raised in a single parent home became rapists? What percentage of children raised in a 2 parent home became rapists? What percentage of children raised in a 2 parent home had been in that 2 parent home for their entire childhood? What percentage had an abusive father? Abusive mother? A parent who abused the other parent?

How many rapes are reported to the rape crisis center/hotline in that area.. what percentage of those rapes ever make it to a police report? What percentage of those on the police reports ever get charged? What percentage ever end up in jail answering a survey? What percentage of those reported rapes that are never charged are people who were raised by a single parent?

What percentage of rapists answering a survey lie about the circumstances of their childhood?

All good points. I'd like to add one. What makes a 'Female headed home' and who decides and when? At first I was thinking about a childhood friend. He was not unique, he was raised by his grandmother. If he had turned out badly would it be fair to blame the problem on a 'female headed home'? Because of friendships he had male role models. But it was all to common for those abandoned by all others to be cared for buy grandmother. Not Grannies fault if she is unable to undo all the damage.

But then I thought a bit deeper. I've seen too many biased studies. If someone with a bias against females in control is the one deciding then it is all to common for such to decide that in a house with both man and woman that has prodced a rapist the female was the head of the house. Not saying this hapened in this case, but I won't discount it either.

 

[keith99]

Women are objected as sex toys because feminism has told women today that they can dress however they want without any modesty or respect. How do you expect people to treat women like when they dress like harlots?? Men had alot more respect for women decades ago than they do now. Im sure even you can agree with that.

So feminish has caused something that has been going on for centruies?

You use an idealized past that never existed.

 

[PassionFruit]

So feminish has caused something that has been going on for centruies?

You use an idealized past that never existed.

There's no use in arguing with someone who not only doesn't understand feminism and doesn't seem to know that much history.

Do other people besides creed believe having a job at all is a male role?
Creed are women who are not married also supposed to not work outside of their home? If they are then how can working or not working be a "gender" role? Or.. are women who aren't married somehow failing in their roles as women by not accepting some mate.. any mate?

There's no point in asking. I presented many questions to Creed on the issue of what defines a "male" and "female" role. It's hard to pin that one down because roles change overtime. I also asked at one point if women who choose not to have children are the less of a woman? What about women who aren't physically capable of having children?
What about women who have no choice accept to work?

He still hasn't provided any answers to these questions, he just bashes feminism without knowing anything about it, which is the mark of willful ignorance.

 

[gwenmead]

Actually women are treated as sex objects because patriarchies value women for our sexual usefulness to men, not our innate humanity.

this is what i wondered; what about unmarried women? How they they support theirselves?

They gotta go out and find 'emselves a good man to marry 'em. Duh!