Is Gender Identity a modern social construct?

[stevevw]

What's innate about gender?

Innate, something that is inherent in gender to the biological sex. Its grounded in biology and genetics.

For example hormones influence orientation and femininise or mascullinise thinking, feelings and behaviour. As mentioned earlier studies show that infant male chimps will tend to play with toy trucks, blocks and things as they are more spatial and dimensional in thinking. The same with female chimps playing with dolls.

In other words these stereotypical behaviours are not completely socially constructed. There is some innate basis for the differences.

There is also the famous study where a baby boy had lost his genitals and was reconstructed to be a female from birth and brought up as such. Only to find as an adolescent that he identified as a male and stopped wearing dresses ect. No amount of social conditioning could turn him into a girl.

Dr. John Money Gender Experiment: Reimer Twins

The John Money Experiment involved David Reimer, a twin boy raised as a girl following a botched circumcision. Money asserted gender was primarily learned, not innate. However, David struggled with his female identity and transitioned back to male in adolescence. The case challenged Money's...

www.simplypsychology.org

 

[RileyG]

What's innate about gender?

People's perception about their own gender much like sexual orientation?

Maybe perception isn't the right word, but identity? I dunno.

 

[MehGuy]

If we want to talk about gender expression, which is different, think about American men from the 1700s. They would be considered quite very "unmanly" today. BUT BUT BUT gender expression and gender as a concept aren't exactly the same thing.

Time's been a changing'

Hmm. What kind of men are you talking about? Higher class men/royalty? I believe there is probably an evolved part of the male brain that flips on for men who are high status.I doubt working class and poor men would be considered effeminate.

Men are by and large the disposable sex compared to women, but this is often dependent on where the man finds himself on the social hierarchy. For example the King wouldn't be considered disposable. So him taking on more vulnerable body language and dress probably isn't as offensive as a lower class man acting effeminate.

People talk about how effeminate men being bullied is due to misogyny when really it's probably internalized misandry. Effeminate men are bullied because of the anger other men feel that a man is adopting feminine mannerisms and perhaps wants to be treated as less disposable like a woman. Of course unless he is of high status where it becomes less jarring and more agreeable to the mind.

 

[RileyG]

Hmm. What kind of men are you talking about? Higher class men/royalty? I believe there is probably an evolved part of the male brain that flips on for men who are high status.I doubt working class and poor men would be considered effeminate.

Men are by and large the disposable sex compared to women, but this is often dependent on where the man finds himself on the social hierarchy. For example the King wouldn't be considered disposable. So him taking on more vulnerable body language and dress probably isn't as offensive as a lower class man acting effeminate.

People talk about how effeminate men being bullied is due to misogyny when really it's probably internalized misandry. Effeminate men are bullied because of the anger other men feel that a man is adopting feminine mannerisms and perhaps wants to be treated as less disposable like a woman. Of course unless he is of high status where it becomes less jarring and more agreeable to the mind.

I meant the powdered wigs, and other dress that no longer comes off as masculine, if that makes sense?

Maybe I wasn’t clear?

 

[Jipsah]

And..? If I had a teenage son or daughter that considered themself to be a different gender to their biological sex then there'd be a lot of discussion as to how we'd deal with it.

Nah, surgery is the way to go. Chop off the offending bits, sew on some appropriate ones, and you're home and dry.

 

[Jipsah]

What's innate about gender?

As the word is currently used, nothing. That;s how there can be 647,243.76 "genders". Whatever "gender" is, is a "spectrum" of some sort. Kind of like "from DC to Daylight", right? (Except that spectrum has definite starting and ending points and objective definable positions in between them.) Fact is, the term "gender" as now used has little or no intrinsic meaning at all.

 

[Bradskii]

Innate, something that is inherent in gender to the biological sex. Its grounded in biology and genetics.

For example hormones influence orientation and femininise or mascullinise thinking, feelings and behaviour.

I see an never ending rabbit hole here. Bailing out...

 

[Aaron112]

Isn't artwork supposed to reflect how the artist sees the subject?

Doesn't matter at all. It is almost always sinful and from the flesh or from the devil, wickedly.

 

[Ophiolite]

I see an never ending rabbit hole here. Bailing out...

Surely that is premature . . . . . . until you have determined the gender of the rabbit?

 

[stevevw]

I see an never ending rabbit hole here. Bailing out...

Lol, you asked the question. Or rather made the claim. I was just correcting the assumption.

The issue is a rabbit hole no matter which way you look at it.

 

[jasperr]

Surely that is premature . . . . . . until you have determined the gender of the rabbit?

I'd say that is just splitting hares.