The purpose of adhering to gender roles

[CreedIsChrist]

Goodness your grammar and spelling is atrocious. Why can't anti-feminists use proper spelling and grammar? How hard is it to proof read, [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]. *rolls eyes*

Your grammar isn't to great either. Considering the forum constantly has to filter your filthy loud language

Anyways as I stated above, there were women in the Bible who didn't have children, but were held in high esteem. You've also completely ignored the fact that there are many women out there who physically can't have children.

Also answer this question: Why is God referred to as a he? Mind answering that question?

God is referred as a he because he came in the flesh as a male. And I didn't say women who can't have children are any lower. In fact many of the saints who couldn't have children used it to become devout and live a life of celibacy.

So if a woman doesn't have children is she "less of a woman?" Why is a woman's identity tied up with her children?

Because woman was created because of children. Otherwise the species would not be able to propagate. You can't get any more important than propagation.

So was Deborah and Esther somehow unfeminine? Because they had authority?

Actually no. If you actually read the bible you will see that Esther was a servant to the king and fullfilled her role as a humble woman. Same with Deborah, since she was living for God (something that feminists don't do) and helping hebrew spies for the greater good of God.

If I recall there was post where you basically implied that the reason why women are in domestic violence situations is because they deserve to be. Oh that's right, it's because she stepped out of her "role," because of the teh horrid feministzzzz!

No , I said domestic violence has risen because chivalry has dropped. Chivalry has dropped because of our hazed confused roles on man and woman now. Take a look at the divorce record of most leader feminists. They know nothing about how to raise a family and have no buisness criticizing housewives or traditional family values considering their horrible record themselves.

Why is hard for you to proof read? Makes me regret being an English major. That's another reason why it's hard for me to take you seriously.

Then why are you answering me? Go run off somewhere then.

Like I showed you some examples above from the Bible, it didn't seem like the Christian God intended for those women to be workers of the home. And no most women don't prefer to be housewives. You are also ignoring the fact that some women can't be housewives, even if they want to.

Actually there are some studies that show women are most happy when they are in their natural role. I will find them for you

And that is one reason why feminism hurts women, because they have hurt the image of the housewife so much that women who want to be housewives cannot. Also because of the feminization of men in society and the increase of homosexuality and feminism many men have lost their identitys and roles. WHen the female role is taken away so is the male role and in return you get a hazed mess of confusion on what both partners job is in the marriage. This is one reason why there are so many dead beat dads today.

Bad knowledge of history, feminism, and poor spelling and grammar.

But you can bash feminism all you want, you're actually doing us favor, because it attitudes such as yours as to why feminism exist.

And fix your grammar and spelling, it's an eye sore.

your language is an eyesore also, but considering all you can do is post ad hominems and criticize grammar I think that will pretty much conclude you have nothing to defend your movement with. In fact you haven't even answered any of my rebuttals.

 

[b&wpac4]

Your grammar isn't to great either. Considering the forum constantly has to filter your filthy loud language

If the filthy language is used properly, it would be grammatically correct. I'm not really sure why you would suggest that.

 

[PassionFruit]

Actually no. If you actually read the bible you will see that Esther was a servant to the king and fullfilled her role as a humble woman. Same with Deborah, since she was living for God (something that feminists don't do) and helping hebrew spies for the greater good of God.

Actually I have read the Bible, and if you did use proper spelling and grammar I wouldn't have to point it out so much. I highly doubt you would notice my bad grammar considering yours.

My point, was with Esther and Deborah is they didn't spend all their time being wives and mothers. Of course they submitted to their husbands, but they also were doing their own thing. And they're held in high esteem in Christianity, but you seem to despise women today who choose to be wives and mothers and would also have careers of their own.

So are you saying it's okay for a woman to have power so as long as she submits to her husband at home? Or do you still hold the position that all women should do is be wives and mothers.

God is referred as a he because he came in the flesh as a male. And I didn't say women who can't have children are any lower. In fact many of the saints who couldn't have children used it to become devout and live a life of celibacy.

I'm not talking about women who choose not to give birth, I'm talking about women who are physically incapable of doing so. But judging from a lot of posts you've made it does sound like you're are saying that women who don't have children are less of a woman.

No , I said domestic violence has risen because chivalry has dropped. Chivalry has dropped because of our hazed confused roles on man and woman now. Take a look at the divorce record of most leader feminists. They know nothing about how to raise a family and have no buisness criticizing housewives or traditional family values considering their horrible record themselves.

First of all feminists don't criticize housewives. Nor do feminists hate families or motherhood. There are no feminist leaders.

And you say "they" know nothing about raising a family. So I guess according to you my mother didn't know how raise our family since she's a feminist. And all the other feminist mothers out there.

Then why are you answering me? Go run off somewhere then.

Why do you go run off somewhere and pick up a writer's handbook?

your language is an eyesore also, but considering all you can do is post ad hominems and criticize grammar I think that will pretty much conclude you have nothing to defend your movement with. In fact you haven't even answered any of my rebuttals.

You're talking about me presenting ad homs when you do it yourself when you bash feminism. You haven't presented me theory in which feminism has criticized motherhood. You haven't actually presented true factual evidence that feminism is responsible for the divorce rate. The stats you presented only show that when second wave feminism happened the divorce rates rose, but not how feminism was responsible.

First all you knowing about feminism. Feminism actually doesn't criticize motherhood or hate it. In fact, if you actually studied any kind of feminist theory you would know that it's actually pro-motherhood. The only thing feminists criticize women feeling like they were forced to become one. Many feminists don't hate nor have any problems with women choosing to the traditional path. If you noticed the word choose.

 

[PassionFruit]

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Now, if you kept your head out of the books and your rear in the kitchen/bedroom, where it belongs, you wouldn't take notice to such things. That is, without a doubt, a part of the grand plan.

I can't help it. *sniffs*

No but serious, the kids I tutor have better grammar and spelling.

 

[allhart]

This is funny. You guys know about my grammar,but also should know that we can only get about 30% of what a person is trying to say from writing from the lack of facial features or expressions. If you happen to have expressed your thoughts. I would have fallen to sleep on the account of my boredom in your opinionated essay. English is the hardest language to master except for Chinese in which is represented as 27 or so hieroglyphics

 

[gwenmead]

Y'know, I have to admit: I'm actually grateful for CIC and his ilk.

Seriously. It pleases me, for a couple of reasons. For one thing, it's an excellent reminder that women seeking equality are on exactly the right track and should continue doing what we've been doing, until the day that CIC's attitude is eradicated from the earth and men and women stand together in true, full equality.

More perversely, I kind of get off on the idea that my very existence sends some men into absolute conniptions.

So I send a heartfelt thank you, CIC, for providing me and other feminists like me with a good laugh, and a renewed sense of purpose and determination. Keep up the good work!

 

[CreedIsChrist]

First of all feminists don't criticize housewives. Nor do feminists hate families or motherhood. There are no feminist leaders.

And you say "they" know nothing about raising a family. So I guess according to you my mother didn't know how raise our family since she's a feminist. And all the other feminist mothers out there.

No feminists leaders, lol. Friedan, Steinem , NOW, and Sanguer have had zero effect on the feminist movement, lol. Makes me wonder how much you really know about the stuff your preach about.

First all you knowing about feminism. Feminism actually doesn't criticize motherhood or hate it. In fact, if you actually studied any kind of feminist theory you would know that it's actually pro-motherhood. The only thing feminists criticize women feeling like they were forced to become one. Many feminists don't hate nor have any problems with women choosing to the traditional path. If you noticed the word choose.

"First you all knowing about feminism"?

What? And you criticize my grammar?

Also if you truly think that, then you know nothing about feminism. I mean seriously. The things feminists have said about family and motherhood is appalling. Like I once said I don't even need to speak for them, I'll let them speak for themselves in order to show what Godless filthy monsters they are and how much they hate children and familys:

"The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

"Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race."
Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12

"The marriage bed is the most degenerative influence in the social order..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

"[Our objective is] unlimited sexual gratification without the burden of unwanted children..."
Margaret Sanger (editor). The Woman Rebel, Volume I, Number 1. Reprinted in Woman and the New Race. New York: Brentanos Publishers, 1922.

[W]oman's work within the home [is] not directly useful to society, produces nothing. [The housewife] is subordinate, secondary, parasitic. It is for their common welfare that the situation must be altered by prohibiting marriage as a 'career' for woman." - The Second Sex, 1949

"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process." -- Linda Gordon

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage." -- Robin Morgan


Sexism is NOT the fault of women--kill your fathers, not your mothers". -- Robin Morgan

"Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women's movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage." -- Sheila Cronin, the leader of the feminist organization NOW

"Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice." -- Andrea Dworkin

"Feminism is the theory, lesbianism is the practice." -- Ti-Grace Atkinson

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." -- Catherine MacKinnon

"Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience." - Catherine Comins

"I was, in reality, bred by my parents as my father's concubine... What we take for granted as the stability of family life may well depend on the sexual slavery of our children. What's more, this is a cynical arrangement our institutions have colluded to conceal.". -- Sylvia Fraser; Journalist

"Considering the nature and pervasiveness of men's violence, I would say that without question, children are better off being raised without the presence of men. Assaults on women and children are mostly perpetrated by men whom they are supposed to love and trust: fathers, brothers, uncles, grandfathers, step-fathers." Both quotes taken from Daphne Patai's excellent critical work, Heterophobia

"Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women.... We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men.... All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. We must go back to ancient female religions like witchcraft" (from "The Declaration of Feminism," November, 1971).

"By the year 2000 we will, I hope, raise our children to believe in human potential, not God." (Gloria Steinem, editor of MS magazine).

7. "Let's forget about the mythical Jesus and look for encouragement, solace, and inspiration from real women.... Two thousand years of patriarchal rule under the shadow of the cross ought to be enough to turn women toward the feminist 'salvation' of this world." (Annie Laurie Gaylor, "Feminist Salvation," The Humanist, p. 37, July/August 1988


"In order to raise children with equality, we must take them away from families and communally raise them" (Dr. Mary Jo Bane, feminist and assistant professor of education at Wellesley College, and associate director of the school's Center for Research on Woman).

"Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession... The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family- maker is a choice that shouldn't be. The heart of radical feminism is to change that." (Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, The Daily Illini, April 25, 1981.

In response to a question concerning China's policy of compulsory abortion after the first child, Molly Yard responded, "I consider the Chinese government's policy among the most intelligent in the world" (Gary Bauer, "Abetting Coercion in China," The Washington Times, Oct. 10, 1989).

"The care of children ..is infinitely better left to the best trained practitioners of both sexes who have chosen it as a vocation...[This] would further undermine family structure while contributing to the freedom of women." --Kate Millet, Sexual Politics 178-179

Now read those quotes next time you claim feminism dosen't attack motherhood and family.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Y'know, I have to admit: I'm actually grateful for CIC and his ilk.

Seriously. It pleases me, for a couple of reasons. For one thing, it's an excellent reminder that women seeking equality are on exactly the right track and should continue doing what we've been doing, until the day that CIC's attitude is eradicated from the earth and men and women stand together in true, full equality.

More perversely, I kind of get off on the idea that my very existence sends some men into absolute conniptions.

So I send a heartfelt thank you, CIC, for providing me and other feminists like me with a good laugh, and a renewed sense of purpose and determination. Keep up the good work!

"Never give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs. Otherwise, they will trample them with their feet and then turn around and attack you." - Matthew 7:6



He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. - Proverbs 9:7



Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, For he will despise the wisdom of your words - Proverbs 23:9


The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; Fools despise wisdom and instruction - Proverbs 1:7

 

[PassionFruit]

That the best you can do?

 

[gwenmead]

That the best you can do?

Seriously! I was hoping for a comparison to the harlot of Babylon.

Oh well, no such luck... sometimes I do set my sights a little high.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

Seriously! I was hoping for a comparison to the harlot of Babylon.

Oh well, no such luck... sometimes I do set my sights a little high.

Instead of scoffing at truth(which is a sign of reprobation according to the scriptures) maybe you should actually look at those verses and see the relevance it has towards yourself and this thread.

You set your sights on being compared to the harlot of babylon? Breaks my heart to hear such a thing.

 

[OphidiaPhile]

Instead of scoffing at truth(which is a sign of reprobation according to the scriptures) maybe you should actually look at those verses and see the relevance it has towards yourself and this thread.

You set your sights on being compared to the harlot of babylon? Breaks my heart to hear such a thing.

She was being facetious.

 

[mpok1519]

No many times it isn't for the better good. Haven't you even read the stats I have posted?

you have provided none on your behalf. Show me some stats that shows divorce is for the better. All you have provided is empty typical liberal rhetoric that has been said a million times.



Please don't talk about something you know nothing about. I quoted Mark 10:11 and you couldn't even answer me. And trust me a poor rich boy 23 year old dosen't have much authority behind his word. According to your words then Jesus is a bigot too. And yet you claim to know if someone lives with Christ in their heart.

You contradict yourself too many times.





No offense but are you seriously 23? Also this post proves why your not even a christian. You consider the prophets and apostles just dead people that no one will listen to anymore and that have no authority in their words? Wow such faith you have. How can you call yourself a christian when you don't even value what the prophets or apostles say and insult King Solomon even. What a hypocrite.




No because God gave us free will to live with or against his laws. And where will this womans choice be when shes burning in hell for all eternity by denying God's law? No of course not, you don't care about the true well being and souls of people




Trust me with the anti0biblical anti-christian things your supporting your going down the road that many do sadly. And your too blinded to even open your eyes to God's word.



No I stated that most divorced familys have bad consequences and results because of their break up. Again before you open your mouth go read the links and stats I posted earlier.




See again, no true christian would ridicule Solomons wisdom like that. Solomon had more wisdom than a million of you put together. Again, you speak from no authority let alone even any theological wisdom, since you cannot even answer any of the verses I posted to you.




And again, more ad hominems with no proof. Again show me stats that show divorce ha increased the happiness of society. Show me stats where kids end up better from divorced familys than together ones.




No offense but if your mom is truly a staunch judge feminist, added on with the way you talk to people, I can see why your father was driven to alcohol. Dealing with crazy left wing nuts like you would make anyone goto drugs probably.



Women are in the position they are in because no one taught them the correct moral to even begin with in their familys or school.



And yet your the one who is supporting divorce and family havoc. Unlike you I have an optimist attitude on familys that they CAN make it if they truly want to and step up to the plate. That is what strong willed people do, who change for the sake of their partners and their children.




and the wisdom of God is counted as foolishness to the wise. A wonderful verse that describes this convo








And living with a staunch loud feminist and arrogant children would drive anyone to alcohol probably







Right someone with a millionare father and a judge mother living on 20 bucks all year(by the way its impossible to live on 20 bucks a year, lol). A person with 20 bucks a year whos able to have a computer and have the time to type on forums. Typical pampered kid.

twenty bucks in the bank account; things are paid for, but I essentially don't have much. No, no pampered kid here; a kid whose tougher than you, but not pampered.

Again you don't know my wife. She is not obsessed with money and greed like your family seems to be.

I'm sorry, where did yo go to college? Where did you graduate? What is your degree in? My family isn't greedy; theyre MOTIVATED AND SUCCESSFUL! You don't know the difference?

Again you know nothing about Solomon, so theres no point even answering this.

Prostitutes and wine is sooooooo full of wisdom! Solomon could teach me about everything like astronomy, chemistry, and algebra! oh wait, no....

You really must have been around alot of bad women if you really think all women will chose money over family. Or your family just taught you that little about decency

My mom chose FAMILY; she made the mistake of marrying someone she didn't love, and this is an honest mistake. You act as if people cant make mistakes and try to correct them.

WOAH! lol You went from bigotry to down-right child-like insulting! and you'r insinuating my family isn't a loving one! wooooah, slow down!

Not only are you a sexist and a bigot you also pervert Christ's teachings! You spew out any scripture that suits your eye's desire and vomit it out like you ACTUALLY know what it is saying? Of course I didn't answer your claims about scripture bc we obviously interpret the Bible differently.

lol You think it was my choice for my parents to get divorced? From what you are saying, I'm getting an impression you think it was my fault my folks split up. Thats pretty sick dude. Get help.

You obviously have no idea what I am saying; this is why I advise counseling that might help you with some issues you seem to be having.


Familiys staying together is a GOOD thing; yes, family is good.

but when a family's best itnerest is divorce, that can be a better alternative than staying together.

You honestly think an abusive husband's wife should never leave, no matter how close he gets to killing her? tsk tsk good gracious....

So, let me get this straight, yuo think a woman shouldn't have any career, ever, under ANY circumstance?

If the answer is yes, then you sir are a biggoted sexist, and I'd advise you seek counseling; and I'd advise your wife to attend with you, so you two can openly discuss how you personally feel; not how God or Jesus feels, but how YOU feel, as an individual. Your identity is yours; own it; don't imitate.

To all the admins; if someone says "No wonder your parents were divorced, they had a kid as arrogant as you!" isnt a flame, then, how come I'm always reported for using the word 'fundamentalist'? But yet sick people can get away with calling people arrogant, and can insinuate alcoholism is the fault of my mother and myself? Hmmm....christian forums indeeeed....

"No wonder your dad was an alcoholic! your mother believed in equal womens' rights!"

Creed is Christ >> My father was an alcoholic before the two were married, or even met for that matter. Also, my parents were divorced a few months after I was born. So, no, it wasnt bc I was "arrogant". I couldn't even speak.

These are the points I am making;

1) divorce is not a goodthing, but sometimes its better than staying together, especially if one's health is at risk.
2) family is great, but sometimes separating a family is better than keeping it together, especially if peoples' health is a at risk.
3) women should be allowed to persue their own dreams and goals outside of a domestic enviornment.


Get help; your personal attack dont say much about your character.

Yknow what they say; "I'd rather be in hell with ghandi and the buddhist monks than in heaven with hitler, falwell, phelps and than other asylum rejects"


CIC >> youre a credit to inequality everywhere.

 

[mpok1519]

calling one a dillusional bigot or sexist is NOT an attack when said one IS a dillusional sexist bigot.

Telling one that "No wonder your dad was an alcoholic; your mother was a feminist, AND they had you, a lil arogant punk" IS an attack, however.

 

[CreedIsChrist]

calling one a dillusional bigot or sexist is NOT an attack when said one IS a dillusional sexist bigot.

Telling one that "No wonder your dad was an alcoholic; your mother was a feminist, AND they had you, a lil arogant punk" IS an attack, however.

According to YOU im a bigot, but to someone else it could be different.

pot meet kettle

Still waiting for you to refute those verses. When Jesus says "Whoever divorces his wife and marrys another commits adultry" I don't think you have many options of interperatation other than what the sentence is telling you. You can't really skip around the corners on straight foward sentences. The way the verse is structured gramatically dosen't leave much room. The church for over 2000 years knew this already, and your telling me all of a sudden 2009 years from now you have a new interperatation and every other theologian was wrong? Please

Familiys staying together is a GOOD thing; yes, family is good.

but when a family's best itnerest is divorce, that can be a better alternative than staying together.

You honestly think an abusive husband's wife should never leave, no matter how close he gets to killing her? tsk tsk good gracious....

So, let me get this straight, yuo think a woman shouldn't have any career, ever, under ANY circumstance?

No if there is imminent danger and physical abuse then seperating is for the best because of the situation. However there should be a cooling down peroid in order to try to work things out first.

Also in one study around 8% of divorces were because of physical violence. That means around 92% of divorces are not because of physical abuse or danger of death. And as we look today more people are divorcing for the most petty smallest reasons. The reason why is because people don't value marriage as much as they used to because of things like no-fault divorce, re-marriage, feminism, and gay marriage. All have led to the decline in the way we value marriage.

If people valued marriage more there would be less abuse because people would cherish they're marriages much more. If divorce was restricted unless under extreme circumstances people would make sure the people they were marrying were the people they truly loved and wanted to be with the rest of their lives. If people knew that marriage was something that was forever and not just some paper that could be voided at any time they wanted they would be much more careful in chosing the right partner for the rest of their lives.

You obviously have no idea what I am saying; this is why I advise counseling that might help you with some issues you seem to be having.

lol, seriously.. grow up..If you can't handle the convo then go elsewhere. I've given you bible verses, links, and stastical reports of the harms of divorce and all you have replied with are ad-hominems

 

[Garyzenuf]

To all the admins; if someone says "No wonder your parents were divorced, they had a kid as arrogant as you!" isnt a flame, then, how come I'm always reported for using the word 'fundamentalist'? But yet sick people can get away with calling people arrogant, and can insinuate alcoholism is the fault of my mother and myself?

Good question actually.

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[Braunwyn]

Also in one study around 8% of divorces were because of physical violence. That means around 92% of divorces are not because of physical abuse or danger of death.

You know that domestic violence is underreported, not that I'm saying that should be a necessary requirement for divorce.

And as we look today more people are divorcing for the most petty smallest reasons. The reason why is because people don't value marriage as much as they used to because of things like no-fault divorce, re-marriage, feminism, and gay marriage. All have led to the decline in the way we value marriage.

I don't disagree that marriage isn't valued by all as much as it could be. But, I don't think looking for solutions in the way of keeping a bad marriage is appropriate. Imo, entering into the contract in the first place is where energies need to be spent. Young people tend to divorce and greater rates and these days, based on what I've been reading, divorce is most likely to happen within the first two years of marriage. This isn't surprising because it takes at least a few years to really get to know someone. In short, I don't think it's a good idea for most kids to marry. They should wait, go to college, get to know themselves first, and have longer engagements.

 

[mpok1519]

According to YOU im a bigot, but to someone else it could be different.

Me and pretty much the rest of the civilized/sane world lol

Still waiting for you to refute those verses. When Jesus says "Whoever divorces his wife and marrys another commits adultry" I don't think you have many options of interperatation other than what the sentence is telling you. You can't really skip around the corners on straight foward sentences. The way the verse is structured gramatically dosen't leave much room. The church for over 2000 years knew this already, and your telling me all of a sudden 2009 years from now you have a new interperatation and every other theologian was wrong? Please

I don't refute scripture; how YOU interpret anything is up to you; however, this may or may not reflect well upon your capacity to understand what it means to be 'normal' in a society today.

I have a very good refutation; If suddenly YOU die, and your wife becomes a widow, according to the Bible, it is demanded BY GOD that your wife marry your brother.....is this what you command of your wife if in the event of your untimely death, would you command her, as God does, to marry your brother? If your answer is yes, then I believe whatever you say. According to the Bible, your wife NOT marrying her brother-in-law is adultery; would you follow the EXACT guidelines the Bible commands in the untimely event of your passing? Yes or no?

No if there is imminent danger and physical abuse then seperating is for the best because of the situation. However there should be a cooling down peroid in order to try to work things out first.



lol, seriously.. grow up..If you can't handle the convo then go elsewhere. I've given you bible verses, links, and stastical reports of the harms of divorce and all you have replied with are ad-hominems

If my wife hit me, and suddenly abused me, there be NO cooling down period; I would take my kids, file for divorce, and petition with social services to keep her away. Violence in a home is a big NO-NO, especially with kids around and any amount of violence is a one-strike you're out kind of deal. Its intolerable; zero tolerance, especially if kids are around.

oh yeaaaah, Im sooooo ad homienm attacking you! lol Werent you the one who inferred my father's alcholism was caused by my mothers' desire for a career, and me being born? And I have just called you crazy, or rationally incapacitated but, isn't saying something dreadful and awful like that crazy?

So, if you were in charge, would you make more difficult to get divorced?

Also, another question; Do you think women should never, ever under any circumstance have a career of their own?

Is she disobeying the Lord if she doesn't want to get married ever?

 

[mpok1519]

Good question actually.

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The admins protect only one kind of person here on these forums though.

 

[mpok1519]

Q's for CIC

1) would you force your wife to marry your brother if you suddenly died, even if she wasnt attracted to your brother, and even if she hated your brother?

2) no women, EVER, should have a career of their own outside a domestic enviornment?

3) if a woman is not married, and never becomes married, is she disobeying the Lord? What if someone asks her to marry them, and she says no bc, well, she doesn't love them, is she still disobeying the Lord, even if that is the LAST opportunity to get married?

4) If you make a mistake in marriage (ie, marrying someone you didn't want to marry; you find out some horrendous things in your spouse's past unknown until after marriage[like he/she is a convicted felon, secretly likes to hurt puppies, etc]) you still can't get divorced, even when you've accidently married an ax murderer?

These are the questions the Bible cannot answer; this is why I advise people to seek wisdom on all corners of the Earth, not just church.